2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup
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Look, the Bulls are in trouble.
Their scrum is crap. They need to buy 2 really good props ASAP. They also need a big bruiser at 4 lock.
Paper is terrible behind a weak pack.
Goosen is a spent force. Pity as I really rated him.
Their scrum is crap. They need to buy 2 really good props ASAP. They also need a big bruiser at 4 lock.
Paper is terrible behind a weak pack.
Goosen is a spent force. Pity as I really rated him.
Not looking good for the Bulls.
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
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Stormers need 5 points minimum. With the help of Munsters and Saints they can get to the top of the B pool.
Ospiss beating Leicester at home, now that's a big surprise.
Ospiss beating Leicester at home, now that's a big surprise.
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The $hark$ are in for a game. You should be worried.Sards wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am Not looking good for the Bulls.
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
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Harlequins v Sharks
(Twickenham Stoop, London – Kick-off 13.00; 15.00 SA Time; 13.00 GMT)
Harlequins: 15 Nick David, 14 Cadan Murley, 13 Joe Marchant, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Josh Bassett, 10 Marcus Smith, 9 Danny Care, 8 Alex Dombrandt (captain), 7 Will Evans, 6 Dino Lamb, 5 Irne Herbst, 4 Stephan Lewies, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Jack Walker, 1 Joe Marler
Replacements: 16 George Head, 17 Fin Baxter, 18 Simon Kerrod, 19 Tom Lawday, 20 Luke Wallace, 21 Scott Steele, 22 Tommy Allan, 23 Oscar Beard
Sharks: 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Marnus Potgieter, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ben Tapuai, 11 Thaakir Abrahams, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Jaden Hendrikse, 8 Phepsi Buthelezi, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Gerbrandt Grobler, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Kerron van Vuuren, 1 Ox Nche
Replacements: 16 Dan Jooste, 17 Ntuthuko Mchunu, 18 Carlü Sadie, 19 Hyron Andrews, 20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 21 Grant Williams, 22 Lionel Cronje, 23 Francois Vente
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Assistant referees: Craig Evans (Wales), Adam Jones (Wales)
TMO: Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
(Twickenham Stoop, London – Kick-off 13.00; 15.00 SA Time; 13.00 GMT)
Harlequins: 15 Nick David, 14 Cadan Murley, 13 Joe Marchant, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Josh Bassett, 10 Marcus Smith, 9 Danny Care, 8 Alex Dombrandt (captain), 7 Will Evans, 6 Dino Lamb, 5 Irne Herbst, 4 Stephan Lewies, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Jack Walker, 1 Joe Marler
Replacements: 16 George Head, 17 Fin Baxter, 18 Simon Kerrod, 19 Tom Lawday, 20 Luke Wallace, 21 Scott Steele, 22 Tommy Allan, 23 Oscar Beard
Sharks: 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Marnus Potgieter, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Ben Tapuai, 11 Thaakir Abrahams, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Jaden Hendrikse, 8 Phepsi Buthelezi, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Gerbrandt Grobler, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Thomas du Toit, 2 Kerron van Vuuren, 1 Ox Nche
Replacements: 16 Dan Jooste, 17 Ntuthuko Mchunu, 18 Carlü Sadie, 19 Hyron Andrews, 20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 21 Grant Williams, 22 Lionel Cronje, 23 Francois Vente
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Assistant referees: Craig Evans (Wales), Adam Jones (Wales)
TMO: Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
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Northampton v Stade Rochelais
(Franklin’s Gardens – Kick-off: 13.00; 14.00 French time, 13.00 GMT)
Northampton Saints: 15 George Furbank, 14 Tommy Freeman, 13 Fraser Dingwall, 12 Rory Hutchinson, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Callum Braley, 8 Lewis Ludlam (captain), 7 Aaron Hinkley, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 David Ribbans, 4 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 3 Ehren Painter, 2 Robbie Smith, 1 Ethan Waller
Replacements: 16 Mike Haywood, 17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi, 18 Alfie Petch, 19 Alex Coles, 20 Angus Scott-Young, 21 Tom James, 22 Ollie Sleightholme, 23 James Ramm
La Rochelle: 15 Brice Dulin, 14 Dillyn Leyds, 13 UJ Seuteni, 12 Jules Favre, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Antoine Hastoy, 9 Tawera Kerr-Barlow, 8 Grégory Alldritt (captain), 7 Remi Bourdeau, 6 Levani Botia, 5 Rémi Picquette, 4 Romain Sazy, 3 Uini Atonio, 2 Samuel Lagrange, 1 Reda Wardi
Replacements: 16 Quentin Lespiaucq Brettes, 17 Joel Sclavi, 18 Georges Henri Colombe, 19 Thomas Lavault, 20 Ultan Dillane, 21 Paul Boudehent, 22 Thomas Berjon, 23 Teddy Thomas
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Italy)
Assistant Referees: Eoghan Cross (Ireland), Dan Carson (Ireland)
TMO: Joy Neville (Ireland)
(Franklin’s Gardens – Kick-off: 13.00; 14.00 French time, 13.00 GMT)
Northampton Saints: 15 George Furbank, 14 Tommy Freeman, 13 Fraser Dingwall, 12 Rory Hutchinson, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Callum Braley, 8 Lewis Ludlam (captain), 7 Aaron Hinkley, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 David Ribbans, 4 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 3 Ehren Painter, 2 Robbie Smith, 1 Ethan Waller
Replacements: 16 Mike Haywood, 17 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi, 18 Alfie Petch, 19 Alex Coles, 20 Angus Scott-Young, 21 Tom James, 22 Ollie Sleightholme, 23 James Ramm
La Rochelle: 15 Brice Dulin, 14 Dillyn Leyds, 13 UJ Seuteni, 12 Jules Favre, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Antoine Hastoy, 9 Tawera Kerr-Barlow, 8 Grégory Alldritt (captain), 7 Remi Bourdeau, 6 Levani Botia, 5 Rémi Picquette, 4 Romain Sazy, 3 Uini Atonio, 2 Samuel Lagrange, 1 Reda Wardi
Replacements: 16 Quentin Lespiaucq Brettes, 17 Joel Sclavi, 18 Georges Henri Colombe, 19 Thomas Lavault, 20 Ultan Dillane, 21 Paul Boudehent, 22 Thomas Berjon, 23 Teddy Thomas
Referee: Andrea Piardi (Italy)
Assistant Referees: Eoghan Cross (Ireland), Dan Carson (Ireland)
TMO: Joy Neville (Ireland)
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Stormers v Clermont
(Cape Town Stadium – Kick-off: 19.30; 18.30 French time, 17.30 GMT)
Stormers: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Suleiman Hartzenberg, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Angelo Davids, 10 Kade Wolhuter, 9 Stefan Ungerer, 8 Hacjivah Dayimani, 7 Willie Engelbrecht, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Connor Evans, 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain)
Replacements: 16 JJ Kotze, 17 Ali Vermaak, 18 Brok Harris, 19 Ben-Jason Dixon, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jean-Luc du Plessis, 23 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu
Clermont: 15 Alex Newsome, 14 Marvin O’Connor, 13 Cheik Tiberghien, 12 George Moala, 11 Bautista Delguy, 10 Anthony Belleau, 9 Baptiste Jauneau, 8 Judicaël Cancoriet (c), 7 Killian Tixeront, 6 Alexandre Fischer, 5 Thibaud Lanen, 4 Paul Jedrasiak, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Etienne Fourcade, 1 Giorgi Beria
Replacements: 16 Benjamin Boudou, 17 Daniel Bibi Biziwu, 18 Davit Kubriashvili, 19 Miles Amatosero, 20 Lucas Dessaigne, 21 Sébastien Bézy, 22 Gabin Michet, 23 Francois Mey
Referee: Christophe Ridley (England)
Assistant Referees: Luke Pearce (England), Jamie Leahy (England)
TMO: Tom Foley (England)
(Cape Town Stadium – Kick-off: 19.30; 18.30 French time, 17.30 GMT)
Stormers: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Suleiman Hartzenberg, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Angelo Davids, 10 Kade Wolhuter, 9 Stefan Ungerer, 8 Hacjivah Dayimani, 7 Willie Engelbrecht, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Connor Evans, 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain)
Replacements: 16 JJ Kotze, 17 Ali Vermaak, 18 Brok Harris, 19 Ben-Jason Dixon, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Jean-Luc du Plessis, 23 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu
Clermont: 15 Alex Newsome, 14 Marvin O’Connor, 13 Cheik Tiberghien, 12 George Moala, 11 Bautista Delguy, 10 Anthony Belleau, 9 Baptiste Jauneau, 8 Judicaël Cancoriet (c), 7 Killian Tixeront, 6 Alexandre Fischer, 5 Thibaud Lanen, 4 Paul Jedrasiak, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Etienne Fourcade, 1 Giorgi Beria
Replacements: 16 Benjamin Boudou, 17 Daniel Bibi Biziwu, 18 Davit Kubriashvili, 19 Miles Amatosero, 20 Lucas Dessaigne, 21 Sébastien Bézy, 22 Gabin Michet, 23 Francois Mey
Referee: Christophe Ridley (England)
Assistant Referees: Luke Pearce (England), Jamie Leahy (England)
TMO: Tom Foley (England)
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Toulouse v Munster
(Stade Ernest Wallon – Kick-of: 16.15; 15.15 UK time; 15.15 GMT)
Toulouse: 15 Melvyn Jaminet, 14 Juan Cruz Mallía, 13 Pierre-Louis Barassi, 12 Pita Ahki, 11 Dimitri Delibes, 10 Romain Ntamack, 9 Antoine Dupont (captain), 8 Alexandre Roumat, 7 Jack Willis, 6 Anthony Jelonch, 5 Emmanuel Meafou, 4 Richie Arnold, 3 Dorian Aldegheri, 2 Julien Marchand, 1 Cyril Baille
Replacements: 16 Guillaume Cramont, 17 Rodrigue Neti, 18 David Ainu’u, 19 Thibaud Flament, 20 Joshua Brennan, 21 Francois Cros, 22 Ange Capuozzo, 23 Arthur Retiere
Munster: 15 Mike Haley, 14 Calvin Nash, 13 Antoine Frisch, 12 Jack Crowley, 11 Shane Daly, 10 Joey Carbery, 9 Craig Casey, 8 Gavin Coombes, 7 John Hodnett, 6 Peter O’Mahony (captain), 5 Tadhg Beirne, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 John Ryan, 2 Niall Scannell, 1 Dave Kilcoyne
Replacements: 16 Diarmuid Barron, 17 Josh Wycherley, 18 Roman Salanoa, 19 Jack O’Sullivan, 20 Alex Kendellen, 21 Conor Murray, 22 Ben Healy, 23 Malakai Fekitoa
Referee: Karl Dickson (England)
Assistant Referees: Dan Jones (England), Phil Watters (England)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)
Edinburgh v Saracens
(DAM Health Stadium, Edinburgh – Kick-off: 17.30; 17.30 GMT)
Edinburgh: 15 Henry Immelman, 14 Jack Blain, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 James Lang, 11 Blair Kinghorn, 10 Charlie Savala, 9 Ben Vellacott, 8 Viliame Mata, 7 Luke Crosbie, 6 Jamie Ritchie, 5 Grant Gilchrist (captain), 4 Sam Skinner, 3 WP Nel, 2 David Cherry, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Adam McBurney, 17 Boan Venter, 18 Lee-Roy Atalifo, 19 Jamie Hodgson, 20 Nick Haining, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Cameron Hutchison, 23 Wes Goosen
Saracens: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Max Malins, 13 Alex Lozowski, 12 Nick Tompkins, 11 Sean Maitland, 10 Alex Goode, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Ben Earl, 6 Andrew Christie, 5 Hugh Tizard, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Jamie George (captain), 1 Mako Vunipola
Replacements: 16 Kapeli Pifeleti, 17 Robin Hislop, 18 Christian Judge, 19 Nick Isiekwe, 20 Theo Dan, 21 Aled Davies, 22 Manu Vunipola, 23 Alex Lewington
Referee: Ludovic Cayre (France)
Assistant Referees: Jonathan Gasnier (France), David Beun (France)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
(Stade Ernest Wallon – Kick-of: 16.15; 15.15 UK time; 15.15 GMT)
Toulouse: 15 Melvyn Jaminet, 14 Juan Cruz Mallía, 13 Pierre-Louis Barassi, 12 Pita Ahki, 11 Dimitri Delibes, 10 Romain Ntamack, 9 Antoine Dupont (captain), 8 Alexandre Roumat, 7 Jack Willis, 6 Anthony Jelonch, 5 Emmanuel Meafou, 4 Richie Arnold, 3 Dorian Aldegheri, 2 Julien Marchand, 1 Cyril Baille
Replacements: 16 Guillaume Cramont, 17 Rodrigue Neti, 18 David Ainu’u, 19 Thibaud Flament, 20 Joshua Brennan, 21 Francois Cros, 22 Ange Capuozzo, 23 Arthur Retiere
Munster: 15 Mike Haley, 14 Calvin Nash, 13 Antoine Frisch, 12 Jack Crowley, 11 Shane Daly, 10 Joey Carbery, 9 Craig Casey, 8 Gavin Coombes, 7 John Hodnett, 6 Peter O’Mahony (captain), 5 Tadhg Beirne, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 John Ryan, 2 Niall Scannell, 1 Dave Kilcoyne
Replacements: 16 Diarmuid Barron, 17 Josh Wycherley, 18 Roman Salanoa, 19 Jack O’Sullivan, 20 Alex Kendellen, 21 Conor Murray, 22 Ben Healy, 23 Malakai Fekitoa
Referee: Karl Dickson (England)
Assistant Referees: Dan Jones (England), Phil Watters (England)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)
Edinburgh v Saracens
(DAM Health Stadium, Edinburgh – Kick-off: 17.30; 17.30 GMT)
Edinburgh: 15 Henry Immelman, 14 Jack Blain, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 James Lang, 11 Blair Kinghorn, 10 Charlie Savala, 9 Ben Vellacott, 8 Viliame Mata, 7 Luke Crosbie, 6 Jamie Ritchie, 5 Grant Gilchrist (captain), 4 Sam Skinner, 3 WP Nel, 2 David Cherry, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Adam McBurney, 17 Boan Venter, 18 Lee-Roy Atalifo, 19 Jamie Hodgson, 20 Nick Haining, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Cameron Hutchison, 23 Wes Goosen
Saracens: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Max Malins, 13 Alex Lozowski, 12 Nick Tompkins, 11 Sean Maitland, 10 Alex Goode, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Ben Earl, 6 Andrew Christie, 5 Hugh Tizard, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Jamie George (captain), 1 Mako Vunipola
Replacements: 16 Kapeli Pifeleti, 17 Robin Hislop, 18 Christian Judge, 19 Nick Isiekwe, 20 Theo Dan, 21 Aled Davies, 22 Manu Vunipola, 23 Alex Lewington
Referee: Ludovic Cayre (France)
Assistant Referees: Jonathan Gasnier (France), David Beun (France)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
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I went to bed and assumed the Leicester game was still goingSandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:48 pm Lyon 31 - Bulls 7
Ospreys beat Leicester 27-26
You lot are fucking shite at giving final scores!!!

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You lot really don't know your Fre sides. I has LOU to win (which was by far a minority pick). Clermont are in collapse and the side they've sent is 1/2 a B team: that matters because it signals they have no intent.Sards wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am Not looking good for the Bulls.
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
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Toulouse taking no chances here. That's everyone fit to lace a boot on the field or the bench.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:30 am Toulouse v Munster
(Stade Ernest Wallon – Kick-of: 16.15; 15.15 UK time; 15.15 GMT)
Toulouse: 15 Melvyn Jaminet, 14 Juan Cruz Mallía, 13 Pierre-Louis Barassi, 12 Pita Ahki, 11 Dimitri Delibes, 10 Romain Ntamack, 9 Antoine Dupont (captain), 8 Alexandre Roumat, 7 Jack Willis, 6 Anthony Jelonch, 5 Emmanuel Meafou, 4 Richie Arnold, 3 Dorian Aldegheri, 2 Julien Marchand, 1 Cyril Baille
Replacements: 16 Guillaume Cramont, 17 Rodrigue Neti, 18 David Ainu’u, 19 Thibaud Flament, 20 Joshua Brennan, 21 Francois Cros, 22 Ange Capuozzo, 23 Arthur Retiere
Munster: 15 Mike Haley, 14 Calvin Nash, 13 Antoine Frisch, 12 Jack Crowley, 11 Shane Daly, 10 Joey Carbery, 9 Craig Casey, 8 Gavin Coombes, 7 John Hodnett, 6 Peter O’Mahony (captain), 5 Tadhg Beirne, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 John Ryan, 2 Niall Scannell, 1 Dave Kilcoyne
Replacements: 16 Diarmuid Barron, 17 Josh Wycherley, 18 Roman Salanoa, 19 Jack O’Sullivan, 20 Alex Kendellen, 21 Conor Murray, 22 Ben Healy, 23 Malakai Fekitoa
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Sards are obsessed with the Stormers. He hope Clermont beat them with their D team.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:35 amYou lot really don't know your Fre sides. I has LOU to win (which was by far a minority pick). Clermont are in collapse and the side they've sent is 1/2 a B team: that matters because it signals they have no intent.Sards wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am Not looking good for the Bulls.
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
As well as Ospreys played could be a bit pyrrhic. Just a few more points and it would have been Leicester anxiously hoping for the home tie.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Dude. It worries me how quickly you are sliding into senility. Is this what I have to look forward to?. My kids already think I am a scatter brainOomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:19 amSards are obsessed with the Stormers. He hope Clermont beat them with their D team.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:35 amYou lot really don't know your Fre sides. I has LOU to win (which was by far a minority pick). Clermont are in collapse and the side they've sent is 1/2 a B team: that matters because it signals they have no intent.Sards wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am Not looking good for the Bulls.
I did predict that they would struggle because they don't travel well. I didn't expect that.
Possibly out of the last 16.
Lets see re the Stormers. I have them to struggle as well because of all the travel involved. And a reasonable day that's not stifling hot today. Which will benefit Clermont. But Stormers to just take it at home
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That was neatly
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Nice quick strike back from Quins.
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Oh hello, are Quins actually going to play before going 20 points down?
Great score
Great score
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Sharks better defend. Quins backline look impressive
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Sharks scrum going backwards
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Marler and Louw is a tough pair of props to go up against.
Yeah they don't seem to be particularly organised today.
It's certainly fun to watch - need to make every opportunity pay though.
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Sharks look way kakker then the Bulls last night. They could end up 5th.
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Nice run from Potgieter
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One might say that was cynically stopping Care from taking the quick tap and worth a card...
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Excellent game this.