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frodder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:08 am

EnergiseR wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am

frodder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:55 am

Subsequently denied and stating he's waiting for the result

Wouldn't be the first positive test he has had to try and bury

That's right ER, a STD for sure

yermum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:37 pm how many million infections so far?
one documented reinfection...
I will take my epidemiological pinch of salt and suggest that reinfection is not that likely.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:47 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:41 am
So if you've had it you're probably OK for the future but are still contagious, at least that's the assumption that Professor seems to be making. This would fall in with the theory that a lot of the asymptomatic cases are people fighting it off easily due to previous non covid coronavirus infections? But unfortunately means a vaccine will be necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Be interesting to know if those people who "got Covid bad" were also prone to getting other colds/flu in the past.

Some people are always sick while others get a cold once a decade. I'm somewhere in the middle (and not a fat cunt), so my Covid symptoms should hopefully be mild....

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 pm CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:48 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 pm CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:48 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 pm CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:40 am

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:48 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 pm CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

But also stop resources chasing after the asymptomatic who (at best) have a weak ability to shed virus.

Therefore you focus on the truly infectious and their contacts and close them down. Like China has been doing for months.

Stop theorising and analyse the data from the last few months ! We are in a much better position than the media understands.

But mostly the media reports the words of the epidemiologists. Are they lacking in their understanding compared to you as well?

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:38 am

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

I think one of the major problems here is people (deliberately or otherwise) confusing "pre-symptomatic" and "asymptomatic"

If your test and trace is up to any snuff at all, then you're going to identify people inside the 14 day pre-symptomatic window. At this point, whther they ultimately move on to become symptomatic, they are crrying and shedding virus load, but in different quantities (asymptomatic carriers definitely shed far less load than pre-symptomatic/symptomatic carriers).

But, at this point,m we currently don't know of any way to tell the difference between the two - all we know is that they both are testing positive, and don't currently show any symptoms.

So at this point you have a choice.

1 - Assume that they are going to move on to be symptomatic, isolate them and test and trace from there.

2 - Assume that they're going to be asypmtomatic, and not spread at all, and don't follow up

If you go down the first route, you inconvenience some people, nothing more - and ultimately, if done well, this leeds to a greater release of lockdown restrictions

if you go down the second route, you potentially risk creating a large pool of infected carriers, resulting in a new outbreak requiring either a local or national lockdown again to bring it under control.

Clogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:39 am there must be some mistake with that table. I can't see Sweden on it?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:56 pm So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:59 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:56 pm So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Shush Covidiot

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:02 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:59 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:56 pm So I stay off of “National” covid threads, can I please point out to posters scared by stories of Long covid that currently this is total guess work and not an actual scary reality.

Shush Covidiot

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:06 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:02 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:59 pm

Shush Covidiot

Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:36 pm CDC have been ordered from up above to stop testing asymptomatic people (even if they've been in contact with a known covid case).

That'll lower those case numbers nicely...

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:28 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:54 pm Looks like the new cdc testing protocols were pushed through when Fauci couldn't be present and was under anaesthesia. Unsurprisingly he's apparently not happy with them.

Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

How does contact tracing work if you refuse to test asymptomatic people?

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 pm Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 pm Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 pm Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 pm Anyway, trump and his pet quack look to be angling for herd immunity in the States a la Sweden.

Hopefully this doesn't gain any traction among the states and it's just Trump dog whistling.

This despite Sweden saying it didn't work and they regret their decisions... jesus christ. The daft thing is, so many people just seem to not be too worried by all the deaths and the cases. Any european country with similar rates would be looking at lockdown again.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:45 pm https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-62 ... 6/fulltext


More good news.


NHS England reported 4 more COVID-19 hospital deaths today.

The deaths occurred over the following 4 dates:

1 = 29th August (2 days ago)
1 = 16th August (15 days ago)
1 = 26th June (66 days ago)
1 = 16th June (76 days ago)

3 were reported last Monday.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:43 pm

Sweden’s chief medical dude doesn’t regret his policies.


They didn’t go for “herd immunity “ either.

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.

https://www.livescience.com/results-of- ... ponse.html

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

The country should have done more, he says.

ven Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist and the architect of the light-touch strategy, has admitted that too many people have died and that, if he’d had the information available today back in March, he might have supported stricter measures within certain sectors of society

It's laughable how full of shit you are. Sometimes I can't tell if you're on the windup and have an algorithm for each response:

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:06 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:02 pm



Unless there’s time travel we don’t know about, “long term” affects of a new virus can only be guess work, fact.

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:20 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:38 am

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:16 pm



Asymptomatic individuals have been measured to carry just as high a viral load as symptomatic ones ... you say ...

Can we start with a link to this information reference ?


China and CDC do not require require folks without symptoms ("asymptomatic") to be tested currently ...

Continue, please ?

I think one of the major problems here is people (deliberately or otherwise) confusing "pre-symptomatic" and "asymptomatic"

If your test and trace is up to any snuff at all, then you're going to identify people inside the 14 day pre-symptomatic window. At this point, whther they ultimately move on to become symptomatic, they are crrying and shedding virus load, but in different quantities (asymptomatic carriers definitely shed far less load than pre-symptomatic/symptomatic carriers).

But, at this point,m we currently don't know of any way to tell the difference between the two - all we know is that they both are testing positive, and don't currently show any symptoms.

So at this point you have a choice.

1 - Assume that they are going to move on to be symptomatic, isolate them and test and trace from there.

2 - Assume that they're going to be asypmtomatic, and not spread at all, and don't follow up

If you go down the first route, you inconvenience some people, nothing more - and ultimately, if done well, this leeds to a greater release of lockdown restrictions

if you go down the second route, you potentially risk creating a large pool of infected carriers, resulting in a new outbreak requiring either a local or national lockdown again to bring it under control.

Yeah. No brainer really.

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:26 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:09 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:06 pm

How long is "long term" in your mind, Bimbot? In mine it's more than a month after symptoms pass and there are people with further issues out there after that time. I think we have one on the Bored.....

I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

A car crash only takes a matter of seconds but can have long term and devastating impact for those involved!

There are lots of folk who have suffered heart problems, strokes and PEs all directly associated with the impact of Covid19 and the effect it has in 'thickening' the blood. Bimbo is correct that this might happen a month or so after the patient has had covid19 but the impact of this on their long term health, the ongoing medications and rehab and the cost to the healthcare systems will last for years. This is a long term effect. Spoke to senior respiratory consultant in a major teaching hospital just last week who said they and their cardiac, cardiothoracic and stroke colleagues are seeing over double the number of blood clot related issues compared to previous years and it is purely down to covid19 and its impact on the vascular system.

This is a long term issue.