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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm Ah, I see we're at the stage where fans are angrily demanding I justify an opinion. Fair enough - on the basis that I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things, make it "meltdown [singular] and subsequent dickheadedness in the press, allied to a general sense that he was an occasional twat on the field and an unlikeable member of an unlikeable team".

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:05 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm Ah, I see we're at the stage where fans are angrily demanding I justify an opinion. Fair enough - on the basis that I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things, make it "meltdown [singular] and subsequent dickheadedness in the press, allied to a general sense that he was an occasional twat on the field and an unlikeable member of an unlikeable team".

Oil on troubled waters

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:48 pm

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:35 pm

de_Selby wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:42 pm Off topic but it's funny how people perceive players on the opposition team. I can see how someone might thing Marler is a cunt but can't see how you would think Earls is at all.

See his reaction to getting a red card for dumping Fraser Brown on his head

Yeah, this. Is that the one where he went tonto on a radio phone or something like that later? I remember him doubling down on it.

He's always struck me as an incredibly angry man on the field with a huge entitlement complex.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:23 pm I find the intense dislike of Owen Farrell (by opposition fans, let me be clear) a bit OTT.

Yes, his tackling can be questionable, but he's a back.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:31 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:23 pm I find the intense dislike of Owen Farrell (by opposition fans, let me be clear) a bit OTT.

Yes, his tackling can be questionable, but he's a back.

This. The hate for Farrell is way OTT. Youngs's body of work has been twice as bad and he pretty much gets a free pass in comparison.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:36 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:31 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:23 pm I find the intense dislike of Owen Farrell (by opposition fans, let me be clear) a bit OTT.

Yes, his tackling can be questionable, but he's a back.

This. The hate for Farrell is way OTT. Youngs's body of work has been twice as bad and he pretty much gets a free pass in comparison.

I was referring to opposition fans. I'm not sure they notice Youngs.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:40 pm Quite. Farrell can come across as an angry whining dickhead on the field - along with the occasional cheap shots - and Youngs doesn't do any of that.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:36 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:31 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:23 pm I find the intense dislike of Owen Farrell (by opposition fans, let me be clear) a bit OTT.

Yes, his tackling can be questionable, but he's a back.

This. The hate for Farrell is way OTT. Youngs's body of work has been twice as bad and he pretty much gets a free pass in comparison.

I was referring to opposition fans. I'm not sure they notice Youngs.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:20 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:05 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm Ah, I see we're at the stage where fans are angrily demanding I justify an opinion. Fair enough - on the basis that I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things, make it "meltdown [singular] and subsequent dickheadedness in the press, allied to a general sense that he was an occasional twat on the field and an unlikeable member of an unlikeable team".

Oil on troubled waters

Twas a somewhat waspish response by me for sure. I'm certainly more likely to just give Earls a pass (and honestly - can't think of any issues with him in the last 2 years) after reading this. But I think some people might have a somewhat rose-tinted view of how opposing fans view their teams and players!

Like I'm sure people understand the Peter O'Mahoney dislike beyond his sometimes legal breakdown success. Earls is in a similar bracket for me. Kinda like Mike Brown for other people. Or the aforementioned Biggar.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm Ah, I see we're at the stage where fans are angrily demanding I justify an opinion. Fair enough - on the basis that I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things, make it "meltdown [singular] and subsequent dickheadedness in the press, allied to a general sense that he was an occasional twat on the field and an unlikeable member of an unlikeable team".

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:46 pm but always the first shaking hands and going for a beer with the opposition after.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm Ah, I see we're at the stage where fans are angrily demanding I justify an opinion. Fair enough - on the basis that I don't keep a spreadsheet of these things, make it "meltdown [singular] and subsequent dickheadedness in the press, allied to a general sense that he was an occasional twat on the field and an unlikeable member of an unlikeable team".

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:46 pm I think the, hate, of opposition players, is a product of Professionalism.

While club supporters might get to see them in the clubhouse after games, & when they're coaching the minis, or around with their own families; & generally see them off the pitch; the rest of us just get the 80mins when their being wankers, to the best of their ability.

I know the difference between my, On Pitch persona; & Off; were very much Jekyll, & Hyde. Mates of mine couldn't believe what a bastard I was, when I happened to be on the opposite side; & it was probably just as well we were mates, before I met them on the pitch

Keets Biography was a hot topic before Christmas in Ireland; because they published it to get it in those Christmas stockings. It caused the same response in Ireland, at the time; & it was nice to see such support for him; & gratitude, for him opening up about such a difficult topic, & show young men, in particular; that it's okay to talk about their mental health; & there is help available.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:34 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:46 pm I think the, hate, of opposition players, is a product of Professionalism.

While club supporters might get to see them in the clubhouse after games, & when they're coaching the minis, or around with their own families; & generally see them off the pitch; the rest of us just get the 80mins when their being wankers, to the best of their ability.

I know the difference between my, On Pitch persona; & Off; were very much Jekyll, & Hyde. Mates of mine couldn't believe what a bastard I was, when I happened to be on the opposite side; & it was probably just as well we were mates, before I met them on the pitch

Keets Biography was a hot topic before Christmas in Ireland; because they published it to get it in those Christmas stockings. It caused the same response in Ireland, at the time; & it was nice to see such support for him; & gratitude, for him opening up about such a difficult topic, & show young men, in particular; that it's okay to talk about their mental health; & there is help available.

I beg to differ. I hated Brian Moore.

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:31 pm Can someone verify that Delon Armitage and Rory Kockett are both cocks off the pitch as well as on it?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:42 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:31 pm Can someone verify that Delon Armitage and Rory Kockett are both cocks off the pitch as well as on it?

Dunno. Kockott seems quite popular in Castres and also when he was in the French team. Unlike another overseas SH: Byron Kelleher had a reputation for being a tw*t. IIRC,
even his team mate (Marshall) disliked him and Gregan aimed the infamous "4 more years" sledge specifically at him.

He was arrested when at Toulouse when he crashed his car whilst drink driving and then tried to pick a fight with the victim driver..... who turned out to be one of France's cage fighters who
proceeded to beat the sh*t out of the AB.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:44 pm Did he do the dirty on one of Guy Noves' daughters as well?
Might be mixing him up with somebody else though.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:42 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:31 pm Can someone verify that Delon Armitage and Rory Kockett are both cocks off the pitch as well as on it?

Dunno. Kockott seems quite popular in Castres and also when he was in the French team. Unlike another overseas SH: Byron Kelleher had a reputation for being a tw*t. IIRC,
even his team mate (Marshall) disliked him and Gregan aimed the infamous "4 more years" sledge specifically at him.

He was arrested when at Toulouse when he crashed his car whilst drink driving and then tried to pick a fight with the victim driver..... who turned out to be one of France's cage fighters who
proceeded to beat the sh*t out of the AB.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:36 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:42 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:31 pm Can someone verify that Delon Armitage and Rory Kockett are both cocks off the pitch as well as on it?

Dunno. Kockott seems quite popular in Castres and also when he was in the French team. Unlike another overseas SH: Byron Kelleher had a reputation for being a tw*t. IIRC,
even his team mate (Marshall) disliked him and Gregan aimed the infamous "4 more years" sledge specifically at him.

He was arrested when at Toulouse when he crashed his car whilst drink driving and then tried to pick a fight with the victim driver..... who turned out to be one of France's cage fighters who
proceeded to beat the sh*t out of the AB.

Always enjoyed that story. I think it was one of the passers-by that stopped to help, not the driver, that did for him. Kelleher was having a pop at everyone

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:44 pm Did he do the dirty on one of Guy Noves' daughters as well?
Might be mixing him up with somebody else though.

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:38 am I am growing to really like Kayser, great pundit, enjoyed his appearance on The Good, the Bad and the Rugby, had some good stories to tell.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:07 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:42 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:31 pm Can someone verify that Delon Armitage and Rory Kockett are both cocks off the pitch as well as on it?

Dunno. Kockott seems quite popular in Castres and also when he was in the French team. Unlike another overseas SH: Byron Kelleher had a reputation for being a tw*t. IIRC,
even his team mate (Marshall) disliked him and Gregan aimed the infamous "4 more years" sledge specifically at him.

He was arrested when at Toulouse when he crashed his car whilst drink driving and then tried to pick a fight with the victim driver..... who turned out to be one of France's cage fighters who
proceeded to beat the sh*t out of the AB.

Do you guys know the French Rugby Podcast with Kayser and Beattie? Beattie in one of the podcast talks about Kockott. Apparently he is the type of guys who would pick up fights even in training.

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:38 am I am growing to really like Kayser, great pundit, enjoyed his appearance on The Good, the Bad and the Rugby, had some good stories to tell.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:51 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:38 am I am growing to really like Kayser, great pundit, enjoyed his appearance on The Good, the Bad and the Rugby, had some good stories to tell.

Was watching the most recent one this morning, he's great value as always. Meanwhile Haskell seems to be offering ever less that's worth listening to and developing a bit of a persecution complex while acting the prick. I really debate whether to bother with the ones he's involved in these days.

More Ben, less Brand Haskell please.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:41 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:51 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:38 am I am growing to really like Kayser, great pundit, enjoyed his appearance on The Good, the Bad and the Rugby, had some good stories to tell.

Was watching the most recent one this morning, he's great value as always. Meanwhile Haskell seems to be offering ever less that's worth listening to and developing a bit of a persecution complex while acting the prick. I really debate whether to bother with the ones he's involved in these days.

More Ben, less Brand Haskell please.

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ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:44 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:41 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:51 am

Was watching the most recent one this morning, he's great value as always. Meanwhile Haskell seems to be offering ever less that's worth listening to and developing a bit of a persecution complex while acting the prick. I really debate whether to bother with the ones he's involved in these days.

More Ben, less Brand Haskell please.

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Haskell has just become a parody of himself, he is what, 3 years retired now? what has he done since then, a bit of DJ work, the whole MMA thing never materialised so basically he is desperately trying to remain relevant.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:19 am GBR, is this a TV show or a podcast?

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:51 am

TheFrog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:19 am GBR, is this a TV show or a podcast?

Podcast.

https://goodbadrugby.com/

https://youtube.com/c/TheGoodTheBadTheRugby