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Has Bimboman stopped trolling the virus on this and other forums since COVID-19 broke out?

Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am Has Bimboman stopped trolling the virus on this and other forums since COVID-19 broke out?

I’ve not once trolled the virus. I took your request on the national thread yesterday, but please don’t follow me around.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am

Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am Has Bimboman stopped trolling the virus on this and other forums since COVID-19 broke out?

I’ve not once trolled the virus. I took your request on the national thread yesterday, but please don’t follow me around.

Hey just posting what I see. I agree that you've never trolled the virus itself. But you've definitely trolled jurisdictions, national governments and health agencies which have made decisions that you disagree with. Happy to leave you alone from now on to troll this thread mate

Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:50 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am

Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am Has Bimboman stopped trolling the virus on this and other forums since COVID-19 broke out?

I’ve not once trolled the virus. I took your request on the national thread yesterday, but please don’t follow me around.

Hey just posting what I see. I agree that you've never trolled the virus itself. But you've definitely trolled jurisdictions, national governments and health agencies which have made decisions that you disagree with. Happy to leave you alone from now on to troll this thread mate

You’ve constantly criticised national governments on their covid responses. Apart from a few countries that’s all you’ve done. Nice to see that’s you “trolling” though.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:15 am

It's laughable how full of shit you are. Sometimes I can't tell if you're on the windup and have an algorithm for each response:

It’s laughable that a small collection of context removed news reports from driven critics changes anything.

I can tell you’re not a wind up and for some reason confuse being good at computers with the rest of life,

4 random sources?

I bet you didn't even read them you spoofer

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:40 am

dpedin wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:26 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:09 pm



I’d say one month is very short term, long term is a matter of years and decades. At least now you don’t mean “long term” just a few weeks.

Ffs flu takes easily a month to recover from even in the healthy, pneumonia 3-6 months etc. (Quick edit, you even claim we “never” test for influenza, wow)

You’re a clown calling one month “long term”. Now about the long term affects of influenza.......

A car crash only takes a matter of seconds but can have long term and devastating impact for those involved!

There are lots of folk who have suffered heart problems, strokes and PEs all directly associated with the impact of Covid19 and the effect it has in 'thickening' the blood. Bimbo is correct that this might happen a month or so after the patient has had covid19 but the impact of this on their long term health, the ongoing medications and rehab and the cost to the healthcare systems will last for years. This is a long term effect. Spoke to senior respiratory consultant in a major teaching hospital just last week who said they and their cardiac, cardiothoracic and stroke colleagues are seeing over double the number of blood clot related issues compared to previous years and it is purely down to covid19 and its impact on the vascular system.

This is a long term issue.

While I’m sorry for your health issue, we really have no idea regarding the “long term” it’s just nonsense to claim that after a few months.

Currently the NHS is partially shut. 10’s of thousands of cancer patients are having delayed treatment and life risks. None of this is anecdotal.

I agree that further research and evidence is required on the longer term impact of covid19 on a range of health issues. Research into those surviving SARS showed about 50% had long lasting health issues beyond a year and we can only hope covid19 doesn't have same impact. However there is now good evidence that the covid19 is more than just a respiratory virus or a bad version of the flu. British Heart Foundation research suggests that it is a blood vessel problem. Vascular News reports research that showed a relationship between covid19 and a 9 fold increase in blood vessel damage and increase in blood clots when compared to other viruses such as the flu. if not treated then this sort of vascular damage will lead onto long term heart, lung and brain health issues, some of which will last a lifetime. It might also help explain why some patients i.e. those with diabetes, are suffering more serious covid19 infections. This is not anecdotal.

To frame the challenge as an either/or issue of dealing with covid19 or cancer patients, or whoever else is ill, is a nonsense and not the way the NHS works. The challenge is how we manage both and all the other illness and disease within the NHS. It will be difficult. To dismiss covid19 as not having long term health issues is just stupid and thankfully not an approach our NHS and wider medical community is adopting. Thankfully the medics and researchers are not waiting months until they see if it has a long term effect but rather are proactively researching and investigating it to try and minimise the long term health impact of covid19.

I’m dismissing nothing other than the idea that 6 months in we know the “long term” issues.

And yes it’s a blood disease ....

And yes there’s a viral affect on the heart.....


I personally just don’t get why that’s so important. Especially when much of “normal” health treatment has been put on hold.

1,406 - steady and the worrying steady rise since 1 July.



: but more testing

1 July
652 cases from 144,000 tests = 4.52 per thousand.

Yesterday
1406 cases from 186500 tests = 7.54 per thousand.

that a 66% increased in cases per 1000 tests

Not withstanding that in ~ early July test were only available if you were exhibiting symptoms, where as now there is random testing being carried out, so you'd expect that to skew the cases/tests number downwards.

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:03 pm 1,406 - steady and the worrying steady rise since 1 July.



: but more testing

1 July
652 cases from 144,000 tests = 4.52 per thousand.

Yesterday
1406 cases from 186500 tests = 7.54 per thousand.

that a 66% increased in cases per 1000 tests

Not withstanding that in ~ early July test were only available if you were exhibiting symptoms, where as now there is random testing being carried out, so you'd expect that to skew the cases/tests number downwards.

Test and trace would always find more positive cases, that’s the whole bloody point of it.


It was always going to end with you quoting cases rather than deaths and illness (considering how they’ve plummeted).

What are you worried about?

Bimbowomxn, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

Well signalled ..... and of course correcting your “facts” is a dead horse.

And here we go, as predicted 1 poster is bringing the same bitterness than he did in PR, with his opinions never based on facts but on falsehoods.
Please stop quoting this bimbwhatever

*** 63,949 ONS excess deaths lags the 41,501 by ~2 weeks.

Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

unless they were travelling to/from the hospital and the reason for the hospital visit was Covid, so they probably even out...

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

Caused by a shithouse government who could not even agree what the right message was, what action should be taken, and what the real numbers were.

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

No, the middle one is a doctor writing the cause of death on a death certificate. The number I think you're referring to is the one that the UK government was reporting for a long time, which I'd agree is meaningless. But if someone dies of a broken neck from hitting a tree at 70mph the doctor isn't going to refer to covid as a cause of death.

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

Caused by a shithouse government who could not even agree what the right message was, what action should be taken, and what the real numbers were.

Oh much worse, it was caused by a deliberate policy of fear to force compliance to their messaging.

There’s no evidence that they were confused about “real numbers” n stuff though.

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 pm

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

No, the middle one is a doctor writing the cause of death on a death certificate. The number I think you're referring to is the one that the UK government was reporting for a long time, which I'd agree is meaningless. But if someone dies of a broken neck from hitting a tree at 70mph the doctor isn't going to refer to covid as a cause of death.

If it was immediately post a positive covid test then covid would have to be on the death certificate.

Covid toe and the associated rashes are quite fascinating as well.

Strangely enough Covid toe may happen quite early on. I've seen it in quite a few individuals

Excess Death's is the ONS count?

Bimbowomxn wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:17 am the ONS is reliable.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:54 pm

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

Caused by a shithouse government who could not even agree what the right message was, what action should be taken, and what the real numbers were.

Oh much worse, it was caused by a deliberate policy of fear to force compliance to their messaging.

There’s no evidence that they were confused about “real numbers” n stuff though.

The last place you want someone with a heart attack or stroke is in a hospital teaming with a dangerous vascular virus! Dying quietly at home with close family is a better idea.

Regards Michael Gove

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:55 pm

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 pm

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

No, the middle one is a doctor writing the cause of death on a death certificate. The number I think you're referring to is the one that the UK government was reporting for a long time, which I'd agree is meaningless. But if someone dies of a broken neck from hitting a tree at 70mph the doctor isn't going to refer to covid as a cause of death.

If it was immediately post a positive covid test then covid would have to be on the death certificate.

Stupid tho' as Government Advisors have proven that driving under the influence of Covid is not dangerous.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

How come the UK is the only european country with a very large discrepency between the first and third figures?

.OverThere wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

How come the UK is the only european country with a very large discrepency between the first and third figures?

Have we got the figures for the other countries?

.OverThere wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

How come the UK is the only european country with a very large discrepency between the first and third figures?

Every countries records and recording are very different. Unless you have specific examples it’s difficult to answer the question.

Seriously, why is anyone still engaging with the loon? He's come over here because he's been banned elsewhere and is dragging the place down I to his masturbatory little fantasy. Ignore him

I've got him on ignore but there's still a lot of trash knocking about purely because of his little ego

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:42 pm Seriously, why is anyone still engaging with the loon? He's come over here because he's been banned elsewhere and is dragging the place down I to his masturbatory little fantasy. Ignore him

I've got him on ignore but there's still a lot of trash knocking about purely because of his little ego

Wow, you’re an odd chap aren’t you.

You were so bothered by my ego you posted

“Line 20” from your little joke for weeks.

Most often quoting me directly. What an odd way to “ignore” a poster.

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:50 pm

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:42 pm Seriously, why is anyone still engaging with the loon? He's come over here because he's been banned elsewhere and is dragging the place down I to his masturbatory little fantasy. Ignore him

I've got him on ignore but there's still a lot of trash knocking about purely because of his little ego

Wow, you’re an odd chap aren’t you.

You were so bothered by my ego you posted

“Line 20” from your little joke for weeks.

Most often quoting me directly. What an odd way to “ignore” a poster.

Please stop.
Seek help.
On ignore you go.

C69 wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:05 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:50 pm

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:42 pm Seriously, why is anyone still engaging with the loon? He's come over here because he's been banned elsewhere and is dragging the place down I to his masturbatory little fantasy. Ignore him

I've got him on ignore but there's still a lot of trash knocking about purely because of his little ego

Wow, you’re an odd chap aren’t you.

You were so bothered by my ego you posted

“Line 20” from your little joke for weeks.

Most often quoting me directly. What an odd way to “ignore” a poster.

Please stop.
Seek help.
On ignore you go.

Good evening liar,

Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:42 pm Seriously, why is anyone still engaging with the loon? He's come over here because he's been banned elsewhere and is dragging the place down I to his masturbatory little fantasy. Ignore him

I've got him on ignore but there's still a lot of trash knocking about purely because of his little ego

Lets hope he has learnt his lesson.
I doubt it he will probably spam the bored and abuse people.

C’mon guys. You should know by now that even talking about not engaging with Bimbot is in fact engaging with Bimbot. If you want to ignore him do just that. You don’t have to swear an AfterDavid

ASMO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Middle stat is meaningless, no idea why they even publish it, someone who dies in a car crash but happenned to have covid is counted.

Australia measures COVID-19 deaths as anyone who dies whilst infected with the virus, not including accidental deaths. So many of our elderly deceased had very complex pre-existing health conditions but have been recorded as COVID fatalties.

.OverThere wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

How come the UK is the only european country with a very large discrepency between the first and third figures?

I don't know where yoy are getting that from. There was an article on the BBC last week that showed that Italy, France and Spain all had a far greater discrepancy between Covid deaths and excess deaths.

Un Pilier wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:59 pm C’mon guys. You should know by now that even talking about not engaging with Bimbot is in fact engaging with Bimbot. If you want to ignore him do just that. You don’t have to swear an AfterDavid

I only mentioned it pour encourager les autres, as they say in very bad French.

It's correct. Ce n'est pas un mauvais Français.

Errugbi wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:59 pm It's correct. Ce n'est pas un mauvais Français.

Merci.

'C'est pas le Francais mauvais', mais non?

Blackmac wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:04 pm

.OverThere wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:21 pm And excess deaths contains thousands who died of treatable heart attacks and strokes who quietly stayed at home too terrified to go to hospital. Often terrified incorrectly by induced media panic.

How come the UK is the only european country with a very large discrepency between the first and third figures?

I don't know where yoy are getting that from. There was an article on the BBC last week that showed that Italy, France and Spain all had a far greater discrepancy between covid-19 deaths and excess deaths.

FWIW, here in Australia the proportional discrepancy between covid-19 deaths and all excess deaths in the first four months of 2020 is significantly greater, by one measure at least, than the UK's respective numbers shown in the BBC chart posted earlier.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics provisional mortality statistics for Jan - May 2020 show doctor-certified deaths as being more than 1,500 greater than the five year baseline average for the period.

Doctor-certified covid-19 deaths in the Jan - May 2020 total 90. Relevantly, this is an extract from ABS's guidance on recording covid-19 deaths on death certificates:
The new coronavirus strain (COVID-19) should be recorded on the medical cause of death certificate for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.

Note: I am not implying I have any idea whatsoever as to the relationship, should one exist, between the presence of covid-19 in Straya for much of that period and the excess deaths provisionally reported for the period.