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Ymx wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:02 am If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

dpedin wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:11 am

Ymx wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:02 am If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

Vaccines aren't zero risk. You have to balance the risk from the vaccine vs risk from the illness. Particularly for COVID, this changes with age by a massive amount.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:51 am

dpedin wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:11 am

Ymx wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:02 am If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.

All vaccines do are give your own immune system a kick start against covid, flu and other diseases/viruses. They just save you having to go through the hassle and indeed risk for some of getting the actual virus.

Vaccines aren't zero risk. You have to balance the risk from the vaccine vs risk from the illness. Particularly for COVID, this changes with age by a massive amount.

Don't disagree - this is true for all vaccines as you say. However, without wanting to open up all the old and tired debates, I thought it was now widely accepted, given all the evidence available world wide, that any risk from the covid vaccine was very much outweighed by the risks of catching covid even in younger adults - see attached. Children are a different cohort of course.

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2023/03/27/asse ... ng-people/

In the guitar world there is an ongoing battle between people who love valve amps and people who love modelling.
This debate is going to go on and on and on and on, not because modelling is just fucking better, and people with thousands of quids worth of valve amps can see the value of their stuff tanking...but because having the anti modelling position allows you to enter a community.
6 years ago, modelling won. Line 6 Helix. But the anti modelling people are just as verciferous and just as nasty. I think of them as kids who's parents bought them a Marshall stack at 14 and they became popular in school.

It is nice being in a community of like minded (even wrong) people.......but when doing so fucking kills people?




'As the U.S. nears one million deaths from COVID-19, analysis finds nearly a third of those deaths could have been prevented".

Two years ago today that people were calling for lockdowns and implementing travels bans because of Omicron

Calculon wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:34 am Two years ago today that people were calling for lockdowns and implementing travels bans because of Omicron

Yes, and there was a lot of handwringing about it on this thread.

Here’s a little walk down memory lane

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... tart=12720


Has anyone heard from JM2K6 ?

It just occurred to me he’s not posted for some time!

….

Edit: yes, it’s been a month with nothing from him.

And Torq too?

My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:32 pm My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

Thanks for the reminder !

I keep on getting the email reminders that I'm due another shot, but now I must pop up to my local pharmacy to & arrange a time.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:38 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:32 pm My brother has contracted the 'vid again, apparently it's going round in a big way at the moment. He says it's kicking his arse far worse than when he had it previously between first and second vaccines.

Thanks for the reminder !

I keep on getting the email reminders that I'm due another shot, but now I must pop up to my local pharmacy to & arrange a time.

Glad his misfortune is useful for someone. All it's done for me is blow up my phone with texts from mum who's in a tizzy about whether he'll be non-infectious in time to join us all at the parental home for Christmas.

Also serves as a reminder that it's been a fair old time since my booster and that I'm too young to get another. Can't believe it's not even an option to get one privately.

My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

Kiwias wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:04 am My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

Damn, that sounds horrible. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.

I have nothing but the utmost admiration for health workers who have been putting themselves in harm's way during the past few years. True heroes.

Just had another booster, so my 6th jab in total. I know it's inevitable I'll get it (along with everyone else), so can only hope it's not too rough...

It is fair sweeping the country with all of the Christmas parties, crowded malls and cafes and school kids having sleepovers with their mates prior to heading away for Christmas holidays.

So far I have dodged it but I doubt I will be so lucky this time as we will be quite active over the next few weeks,

Kiwias wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:04 am My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

I dodged it until earlier this year... and it has knobs all over it. Among the many and varied symptoms I copped was a re-emergence of all the sensations of nerve damage I suffered when I smacked my skull up and lacerated my face in 2014. I lost feeling in my teeth again and had all the pain / tingling across my face. What the hell. It's a bizarre virus.

I'm kinda glad to be working nights this week and thus avoiding all social contact. I did my shopping in a scurried hurry the other day, staying as far away as I could from anyone shuffling and snuffling.

Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 2:45 am

Kiwias wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:04 am My son works in the covid ward at North Shore hospital, on the front-line, and had been clear of the Corona for over three years until last week he was finally hit, despite have taken all the vaccines on offer and following all the recommended protocols.

He reckoned the symptoms are the worst of any ailment he has ever had: you name it and he had it.

Damn, that sounds horrible. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.

I have nothing but the utmost admiration for health workers who have been putting themselves in harm's way during the past few years. True heroes.

Just had another booster, so my 6th jab in total. I know it's inevitable I'll get it (along with everyone else), so can only hope it's not too rough...

He had the lot: loss of taste, sore joints, headaches, high temperature, all-over feeling lethargic, hard to sleep, scalp feeling impossibly itchy for two days.....

I talked to him yesterday and he is back at work now, symptoms all gone.

Kiwias wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:22 amHe had the lot: loss of taste, sore joints, headaches, high temperature, all-over feeling lethargic, hard to sleep, scalp feeling impossibly itchy for two days.....

I talked to him yesterday and he is back at work now, symptoms all gone.

Sounds like he's (hopefully) dodged long covid.

My daughter really struggles to recover from her bout 18 months ago. She completed the Queenstown marathon last month but over an hour slower than her last time there as she still struggles with fatigue that comes on quite early now.

She is hoping to do a full Ironman in just over a year but I just cannot see it happening.

I have Long Covid, it presents very much like ME, chronic fatigue, lack of focus and ability to concentrate for anything more than half an hour, then there are breathing difficulties, anxiety and stress, but I seem to have it in a much milder form than others. The breathing difficulties are a pain in arse, but they come and go, the brain fog is a real nuisance.

The NHS Covid recovery team have put me on a programme with English National Opera to learn their breathing techniques for singing, I start early in the New Year and I'm really looking forward to it

I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:51 am I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

There's still regular flu that can match those symptoms. Last spring I got quite ill and thought my streak of avoiding covid had come to an end, but the three tests I took across a couple of days were negative, it was normal flu making me feel dreadful.

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:45 am

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:51 am I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

There's still regular flu that can match those symptoms. Last spring I got quite ill and thought my streak of avoiding covid had come to an end, but the three tests I took across a couple of days were negative, it was normal flu making me feel dreadful.

And if your URC Team has lost 6 out of 7 games this season

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:45 am

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:51 am I'm pretty sure I had it a couple of weeks ago. Rough night with a fever and body aches, then a few days of general fatigue and back pain. Finished with a head-cold and I'm fine now.

Tests are so bloody expensive I didn't take one.

There's still regular flu that can match those symptoms. Last spring I got quite ill and thought my streak of avoiding covid had come to an end, but the three tests I took across a couple of days were negative, it was normal flu making me feel dreadful.

Thought I might have got it for the first time, or at least a first symptomatic infection, last month. Tested negative for COVID but positive for mono, which wasn't great.

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:50 pm Here’s a little walk down memory lane

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... tart=12720


Has anyone heard from JM2K6 ?

It just occurred to me he’s not posted for some time!

….

Edit: yes, it’s been a month with nothing from him.

Yeah, im not reading that link and going throught all that shit, but a bit unfair to pick out jm2k6. IIRC most posters on here were bed wetters that wanted to increase restrictions for Omicron. Lots of use of the then buzzword "precautionary principle"

Eh? It was demonstrating how much people were pushing for keeping the country in perpetual lockdown.

Re JM:

No, I was genuinely wondering where JM was? Actually a bit worried about him. Despite how we post, I have met him personally, and care if he is ok. Hopefully he’s just taking some time out.

Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:40 am

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:50 pm Here’s a little walk down memory lane

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... tart=12720


Has anyone heard from JM2K6 ?

It just occurred to me he’s not posted for some time!

….

Edit: yes, it’s been a month with nothing from him.

Yeah, im not reading that link and going throught all that shit, but a bit unfair to pick out jm2k6. IIRC most posters on here were bed wetters that wanted to increase restrictions for Omicron. Lots of use of the then buzzword "precautionary principle"

So tell me about your personal experience of dealing with COVID deaths. Having worked on ITU at the height of COVID I suspect your experiences were a bit divorced from the reality of the situation.

C69 wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:05 am

Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:40 am

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:50 pm Here’s a little walk down memory lane

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... tart=12720


Has anyone heard from JM2K6 ?

It just occurred to me he’s not posted for some time!

….

Edit: yes, it’s been a month with nothing from him.

Yeah, im not reading that link and going throught all that shit, but a bit unfair to pick out jm2k6. IIRC most posters on here were bed wetters that wanted to increase restrictions for Omicron. Lots of use of the then buzzword "precautionary principle"

So tell me about your personal experience of dealing with COVID deaths. Having worked on ITU at the height of COVID I suspect your experiences were a bit divorced from the reality of the situation.

Behave yourself - no Covid conspiracy stuff here. Last Warning

Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:49 am

C69 wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:05 am

Calculon wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:40 am

Yeah, im not reading that link and going throught all that shit, but a bit unfair to pick out jm2k6. IIRC most posters on here were bed wetters that wanted to increase restrictions for Omicron. Lots of use of the then buzzword "precautionary principle"

So tell me about your personal experience of dealing with COVID deaths. Having worked on ITU at the height of COVID I suspect your experiences were a bit divorced from the reality of the situation.

Behave yourself - no Covid conspiracy stuff here. Last Warning

just seen this, wtf?

Pretty self-explanatory

Glad you heeded the warning tbh.

Speaking of conspiracy theories - it does now genuinely look like it was a lab leak from the Wuhan labs. Surprised that the UK media hasn't really reported on it.

C69 wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:19 am Glad you heeded the warning tbh.

can't remember what i wrote but pretty sure it woud have been something like go fuck yourself you total fat cunt i hope you die... which is obviously no conspiracy theory

petej wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:24 am Speaking of conspiracy theories - it does now genuinely look like it was a lab leak from the Wuhan labs. Surprised that the UK media hasn't really reported on it.

really? i've always been very sceptical of the lab theory. got a good link?

Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:41 am

petej wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:24 am Speaking of conspiracy theories - it does now genuinely look like it was a lab leak from the Wuhan labs. Surprised that the UK media hasn't really reported on it.

really? i've always been very sceptical of the lab theory. got a good link?

There is a shredded trail of emails between the Wuhan lab and the US. Very much a lab cock up is the most likely obviously can never be 100%.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/cov ... %EF%BF%BC/

https://oversight.house.gov/release/cha ... t-science/

What the hell happened in this thread

petej wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 10:53 am

Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:41 am

petej wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:24 am Speaking of conspiracy theories - it does now genuinely look like it was a lab leak from the Wuhan labs. Surprised that the UK media hasn't really reported on it.

really? i've always been very sceptical of the lab theory. got a good link?

There is a shredded trail of emails between the Wuhan lab and the US. Very much a lab cock up is the most likely obviously can never be 100%.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/cov ... %EF%BF%BC/

https://oversight.house.gov/release/cha ... t-science/

I remember that, the chief witness at that Republican led Congressional hearing is now claiming that SARS COV 2 originated in the US and was "
intentionally engineered as a part of a biodefense program by the U.S." I still think a good old fashioned zoonotic spill over that probably happened outside the lab, probably in the Wuhan wet market, is the most likely cause

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:20 am What the hell happened in this thread

There's a new virus called Coronavirus. It originated in a lab in Chyna and was engineered to make us all wear masks and become slaves.