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Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:29 am
by Torquemada 1420
Didn't see the game but a couple of weeks ago the commentators were creaming themselves over Glasgow being serious contenders. Maybe they should have explained contenders for what? :problem:

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:30 am
by Slick
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:29 am Didn't see the game but a couple of weeks ago the commentators were creaming themselves over Glasgow being serious contenders. Maybe they should have explained contenders for what? :problem:
Glasgow were poor last night, but Quins also good. Always probably worth watching a match before commenting on it mind you

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:59 am
by Biffer
Top two teams in the English premiership are in the challenge cup and out altogether after the group stage.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:51 am
by Sards
Effectively all the South African teams should be out of the Championship Cup after the Bagles destroy the Sharks this afternoon

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:54 am
by Sards
I see Massotti is planning on some exhibition matches in the US with the top brand franchises. Just to boost spectator interest there

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:07 am
by Paddington Bear
Sards wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:54 am I see Massotti is planning on some exhibition matches in the US with the top brand franchises. Just to boost spectator interest there
If one more person tries to break America I will scream

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:09 am
by Paddington Bear
I was spitballing viable improvements to this comp last night on whatsapp with a mate, basically things that can be done with the existing structures. Thoughts on binning off the last 16 and making the quarters two legs?

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:11 am
by Biffer
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:09 am I was spitballing viable improvements to this comp last night on whatsapp with a mate, basically things that can be done with the existing structures. Thoughts on binning off the last 16 and making the quarters two legs?
Nah, that only reinforces the dominance of the richest clubs and reduces the number of different teams that play. Finding a way to go back to a meaningful group stage rather than the bouroch we have now, and going straight to a last eight, so it’s harder to get to the knockouts, is the way forward.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:18 am
by Torquemada 1420
Slick wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:30 am
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:29 am Didn't see the game but a couple of weeks ago the commentators were creaming themselves over Glasgow being serious contenders. Maybe they should have explained contenders for what? :problem:
Glasgow were poor last night, but Quins also good. Always probably worth watching a match before commenting on it mind you
I hear you but the context was "serious contenders" versus a side that was beaten by a currently sh*thouse Racing and a competent, but no way contenders Toulon. So yeah, maybe the Weegies played well below par and Quims suddenly became good.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:29 am
by GrahamWa
I think with Glasgow the mentality was we've already qualified but the proper big teams know that top 4/2 seeds makes a hell of a difference. Considering yourself a true contender or just happy to be there is the difference.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:11 pm
by JM2K6
It was also by far the best Quins performance since at least the win over Saracens and possibly all season given the balance. Great scramble defence, a huge improvement in carrying, much better set piece work and excellent varied attack. Glasgow a little unlucky in that sense.

Home advantage makes such a difference in Europe, too. If you're not one of the 3-4 megabucks teams, the odds are extremely tilted in favour of the home side. Just ten away wins in 40+ matches, 7 coming from the usual suspects of Leinster/Toulouse/Bordeaux/La Rochelle. Makes those Saints and Saracens wins even more impressive tbh.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:20 pm
by sockwithaticket
We've more or less given up on red carding players for reckless head contact then, eh?

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:40 pm
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:11 pm It was also by far the best Quins performance since at least the win over Saracens and possibly all season given the balance. Great scramble defence, a huge improvement in carrying, much better set piece work and excellent varied attack. Glasgow a little unlucky in that sense.

Home advantage makes such a difference in Europe, too. If you're not one of the 3-4 megabucks teams, the odds are extremely tilted in favour of the home side. Just ten away wins in 40+ matches, 7 coming from the usual suspects of Leinster/Toulouse/Bordeaux/La Rochelle. Makes those Saints and Saracens wins even more impressive tbh.
I hadn’t seen Quins playing for a while but pretty impressed by them last night. Forwards and backs ran hard, I liked that Beard guy who I’d never heard of. Front row held their own. Thought wonder boy was OK, some lovely touches but some fairly awful kicking as well

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:56 pm
by Sards
Although Sharks doing all the attacking the Bagels deserve their lead

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:02 pm
by Sards
To continue in the competition Sharks cannot lose by 4 tries. Or need a try bonus point.
And a fullback. Vok me but we are missing Fassi.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:13 pm
by Sandstorm
South African teams have two major problems: poor tackling and backs who kick away good, attacking possession. Who coaches this bullshit?????

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:14 pm
by Sards
Yoh. Great try from a position on defense in the 22

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:18 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Hope the Sharks keep it up.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:20 pm
by Sards
Penalties.....the Bain of our existence. It gets punished

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:20 pm
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:18 pm Hope the Sharks keep it up.
It's done. Another try and we are out

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:22 pm
by Sandstorm
Sharks just falling off tackles.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:26 pm
by topofthemoon
As it stands, Ulster through to the Champions Cup knockouts and Sharks dropping into the Challenge Cup.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:40 pm
by Sards
topofthemoon wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:26 pm As it stands, Ulster through to the Champions Cup knockouts and Sharks dropping into the Challenge Cup.
Don't think we have a team left

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:42 pm
by TheNatalShark
We're still going to have another two seasons of nothing cohesive from Plum before he's fired again.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:44 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Sharks show no fight.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:50 pm
by Sandstorm
6 tries for Penaud.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:54 pm
by Stranger
Sharks have been appalling

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:57 pm
by Slick
Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:50 pm 6 tries for Penaud.
In this game??!!??

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:58 pm
by TheNatalShark
Slick wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:57 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:50 pm 6 tries for Penaud.
In this game??!!??
Hat trick both halves

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:04 pm
by Slick
TheNatalShark wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:58 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:57 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:50 pm 6 tries for Penaud.
In this game??!!??
Hat trick both halves
Bloody hell

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:06 pm
by Jim Lahey
Genuinely embarrassing for this awful tournament that Ulster are in the knockouts 😂😂😂

Got completely tanked by Toulouse, Bordeaux and Leicester, and then were shite in the 1st half against bottom of the GP Exeter's C Team, then played one decent half of rugby against a completely uninterested side in a dead rubber of a match.

For shame. The glory days of the 00s/early 10s must be spinning in their grave.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:06 pm
by Sards
TheNatalShark wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:42 pm We're still going to have another two seasons of nothing cohesive from Plum before he's fired again.
Our injury list is horrific. But Bagels put us out of our misery.
TBH we can't afford to play in the Championship Cup. Not near enough depth. Jake White was dead right

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:10 pm
by topofthemoon
All four South African teams will have away ties in the Challenge Cup Round of 16 - unless Sale pick up at least a point at home to Toulon, in which case Stormers will drop out of European competition completely.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:13 pm
by TheNatalShark
Sards wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:06 pm
TheNatalShark wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:42 pm We're still going to have another two seasons of nothing cohesive from Plum before he's fired again.
Our injury list is horrific. But Bagels put us out of our misery.
TBH we can't afford to play in the Championship Cup. Not near enough depth. Jake White was dead right
That Sharks squad is both good enough and been with Plum long enough to not have such a poor set-up in backfield defense, scrum, attitude and indiscipline to throw away balls.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:24 pm
by Slick
Genuinely hilarious that there are still people , mainly based in Southern Africa, that don’t accept Dupont is the best player in the world. By a distance.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:24 pm
by sockwithaticket
I expected this one to get ugly before kick off and so it goes that Toulouse absolutely shredded Tigers with their first meaningful attack.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:32 pm
by Tichtheid
I bloody love watching Toulouse.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:33 pm
by sockwithaticket
That's sumptuous from Capuozzo. Ballerina feet and a sublime offload.

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:33 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:30 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:49 am Sharks are through to the play offs. Just need to keep their loss under 28.
Not a given.
:wave:

Re: 2024/2025 Not Heineken Cup

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:34 pm
by Slick
Tichtheid wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:32 pm I bloody love watching Toulouse.
That was outrageous! Where is BK?