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Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:51 pm
by _Os_
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:04 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
There is still 25% of the voters saying they will vote Tory.
I wonder what would make that 25% decide that the line has been crossed?
For a lot of people it's simply what they perceive as voting for low(er) tax and less state involvement. And really if that's your thing where would one turn if not the Tories?
I don't think those people really exist in the UK though. There's people that want to pay less tax for sure, but there isn't anyone (certainly nowhere near 25%) that actually wants the state to be smaller and for services to correspondingly be more expensive and less comprehensive. A lot of these people want to pay less tax, but also want excellent health/education/police/pension/transport/power/water services all provided at low cost and often by the state, and if a private company is doing it they almost want 100% reinvestment of profits as if it were state owned.
It's the "have my cake and eat it" vote, it disappears when they personally experience in hard reality that no one gets to have their cake and eat it too. Abstractions don't work so well with this group, so unfortunately it has to be painful reality that does the explaining. For a lot of them it's going to be a social care system and NHS and family members, that are unable to do much for them in their old age.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:04 pm
by Uncle fester
SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:47 am
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:44 pm
That's the one.
Sounds like it wasn't the first one according to the papers. Evidently Osborne knows who it is and the police are involved.
Why would police be involved?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:10 pm
by Uncle fester
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:04 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
There is still 25% of the voters saying they will vote Tory.
I wonder what would make that 25% decide that the line has been crossed?
For a lot of people it's simply what they perceive as voting for low(er) tax and less state involvement. And really if that's your thing where would one turn if not the Tories?
Same as a good chunk of the MAGA crowd don't realize they are voting against their own economic interests.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:19 pm
by JM2K6
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:04 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:47 am
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:44 pm
That's the one.
Sounds like it wasn't the first one according to the papers. Evidently Osborne knows who it is and the police are involved.
Why would police be involved?
There's an existing harassment case.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:25 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:10 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:04 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
There is still 25% of the voters saying they will vote Tory.
I wonder what would make that 25% decide that the line has been crossed?
For a lot of people it's simply what they perceive as voting for low(er) tax and less state involvement. And really if that's your thing where would one turn if not the Tories?
Same as a good chunk of the MAGA crowd don't realize they are voting against their own economic interests.
A lot of them are doing just fine, and even if there is no option in terms of a party offering to lower taxes they certainly they conclude others would raise levels.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:29 pm
by fishfoodie
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:19 pm
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:04 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:47 am
Sounds like it wasn't the first one according to the papers. Evidently Osborne knows who it is and the police are involved.
Why would police be involved?
There's an existing harassment case.
It reminds me of Neil Hamiltons downfall, who ironically came from the same constituency, & who later regretted bitterly going to the Law, when he knew damn well he was the one lying.
Better off laughing it off as the deranged ramblings of some crank.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:30 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:51 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:04 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:18 am
There is still 25% of the voters saying they will vote Tory.
I wonder what would make that 25% decide that the line has been crossed?
For a lot of people it's simply what they perceive as voting for low(er) tax and less state involvement. And really if that's your thing where would one turn if not the Tories?
I don't think those people really exist in the UK though. There's people that want to pay less tax for sure, but there isn't anyone (certainly nowhere near 25%) that actually wants the state to be smaller and for services to correspondingly be more expensive and less comprehensive. A lot of these people want to pay less tax, but also want excellent health/education/police/pension/transport/power/water services all provided at low cost and often by the state, and if a private company is doing it they almost want 100% reinvestment of profits as if it were state owned.
It's the "have my cake and eat it" vote, it disappears when they personally experience in hard reality that no one gets to have their cake and eat it too. Abstractions don't work so well with this group, so unfortunately it has to be painful reality that does the explaining. For a lot of them it's going to be a social care system and NHS and family members, that are unable to do much for them in their old age.
I wouldn't object to the idea a lot of people haven't thought their ideas through in the round. But whatever the rights/wrongs of people wanting services whilst also not wanting to pay for them an awful lot more people are in the Conservative's camp because of 'lower taxes' than painting over Micky Mouse murals, and in additional to low taxes and perceived strengths on the economy there are notions of law and order and national security, and we'll just skip over corrupt PMs appointing KGB agents within British government
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:06 am
by tabascoboy
Rumours have it that Dorries is still waiting to time her official resignation for maximum impact while polls suggest a catastrophic collapse in the Tory vote for the constituency
And, former Tory MEP; take into account that he is strongly pro Boris, pro Brexit, promotes GB News often, well to the old school Tory traditionalism - so could simply be an agenda at work with no foundation, but interesting if true. Essentially the same few names in the frame
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:15 am
by fishfoodie
I hope there's a few Generals who'd launch a coup before letting Cruella get near #10
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am
by GogLais
They must be crackers if they think ditching yet another leader is going to help them. I’ll never vote for them but for me Sunak (and May at the time) were the best of a bad bunch.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:26 am
by sockwithaticket
GogLais wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am
They must be crackers if they think ditching yet another leader is going to help them. I’ll never vote for them but for me Sunak (and May at the time) were the best of a bad bunch.
Precisely, they're terminally toxic to a substantial portion of the electorate now. I'm not sure how any of them would seriously think that changing leader is a fix of any kind? Their current unpopularity with the electorate isn't going to be arrested without significant volte-face in almost all areas of policy and the party being purged of pugnacious loons, many of whom are mired in scandal, who've become it's public face . If anything it will contribute to the (seemingly accurate) impression that they're more invested in personal achievements and party intrigue than governance
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:29 am
by fishfoodie
GogLais wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am
They must be crackers if they think ditching yet another leader is going to help them. I’ll never vote for them but for me Sunak (and May at the time) were the best of a bad bunch.
The problem is the party membership are infatuated with complete whack jobs, & Parliamentary party know that anyone they select will lose them their seats, hence not letting them have a say in the selection of the Head boy.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:43 am
by Yeeb
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:26 am
GogLais wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am
They must be crackers if they think ditching yet another leader is going to help them. I’ll never vote for them but for me Sunak (and May at the time) were the best of a bad bunch.
Precisely, they're terminally toxic to a substantial portion of the electorate now. I'm not sure how any of them would seriously think that changing leader is a fix of any kind? Their current unpopularity with the electorate isn't going to be arrested without significant volte-face in almost all areas of policy and the party being purged of pugnacious loons, many of whom are mired in scandal, who've become it's public face . If anything it will contribute to the (seemingly accurate) impression that they're more invested in personal achievements and party intrigue than governance
Agreed, right now terminally toxic is a good way of putting it, akin to how corbyn 4 years ago was. Just too many lies and incompetencies , on top of the frauds, ferry companies
Soaring mortgage costs and food prices , and brexit.
Any one of those things , and Tories would probably still win , as there have been many frauds, incompetencies, scandals and economic failures from all parties in the past, just not all at once.
For me personally , it was Teresa’s May landlord tax re mortgage offsets that started the ball rolling , the £2billion on a spreadsheet that didn’t work, and then the Kwasi budget fiasco - just undid all their credibility and they need a time out.
Covid, war, I’d give them a pass mark on. Brexit stuff, semi ok but still never ending. Everything else, utter shite.
Back to LD voting for me for now as labour are 4th here
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:06 pm
by tabascoboy
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:15 am
I hope there's a few Generals who'd launch a coup before letting Cruella get near #10
I have a doubt over whether such a significant rebellion could be kept quiet and how a relatively minor Tory could learn of it. However, I could see it as highly desirable for the "Ultras" that putting someone like Braverman at No 10 for a year or so in a blitzkrieg move to drive through the most extreme ERG inspired/populist measures while they still have a majority in the HoC. Sunak, even if his support is divided and shaky is clearly not intent with the low tax and push for growth at the cost of anything and everything else approach of "KamiKwaze-nomics". His preoccupation is going to be trying to make sure the wheels don't fall off completely, keep some sort of peace however uneasy to limp along, meanwhile achieving little else.
Increasingly get the feeling that the nosedive in popularity is going to enable those who want a scorched earth policy for idealism and to try and bury Labour up to their necks in shit. I still hope for a deep enough schism that the party breaks in two - although that does risk a stronger rump of "Britain First" types as a rabble rousing entity.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:38 pm
by Hal Jordan
The election is going to be an absolute culture war shitshow between mad dog Tories who've essentially turned into MUKGA and Labour who are tacking centre right at minimum on everything due to Starmer assuming the position for Murdoch in exchange for reasonably friendly media coverage.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:47 pm
by Blackmac
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:57 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:50 am
Part of me thinks this cant be true - surely no one, not even a cunt of the Tory Minister, would think 'lets make the already traumatised kids just off a dangerous journey with no parents feel even worse and unwelcome' once they come into the Reception Centre. Surely no one could be this feckin heartless, soulless and a big a twat as this? Surely it is a made up story?
However it does seem to be true having been reported in the national press and no denial from No10. If it is true then this one little act of petty minded shitiness alone is enough to get rid of these miserable feckers and never, ever let them darken the doors of Parliament again. I personally would happily be first in the queue to give the miserable cunt 'Three Homes' Jenrick a good kicking, and I am not a violent person.
Really? You can't believe that of them, despite the last ten years?
I'm the same to be fair. This is really next level shitebag behaviour and it is quite hard to comprehend how anyone could think it is acceptable, even a piece of shit like Jenrick.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:56 pm
by tabascoboy
Blackmac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:47 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:57 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:50 am
Part of me thinks this cant be true - surely no one, not even a cunt of the Tory Minister, would think 'lets make the already traumatised kids just off a dangerous journey with no parents feel even worse and unwelcome' once they come into the Reception Centre. Surely no one could be this feckin heartless, soulless and a big a twat as this? Surely it is a made up story?
However it does seem to be true having been reported in the national press and no denial from No10. If it is true then this one little act of petty minded shitiness alone is enough to get rid of these miserable feckers and never, ever let them darken the doors of Parliament again. I personally would happily be first in the queue to give the miserable cunt 'Three Homes' Jenrick a good kicking, and I am not a violent person.
Really? You can't believe that of them, despite the last ten years?
I'm the same to be fair. This is really next level shitebag behaviour and it is quite hard to comprehend how anyone could think it is acceptable, even a piece of shit like Jenrick.
When even a douche like Farage criticizes the removal as "too mean" then you know it must be despicable
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:53 pm
by tabascoboy
So, can we expect meaningful action now, I wonder
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:57 pm
by sockwithaticket
Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:57 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:50 am
Part of me thinks this cant be true - surely no one, not even a cunt of the Tory Minister, would think 'lets make the already traumatised kids just off a dangerous journey with no parents feel even worse and unwelcome' once they come into the Reception Centre. Surely no one could be this feckin heartless, soulless and a big a twat as this? Surely it is a made up story?
However it does seem to be true having been reported in the national press and no denial from No10. If it is true then this one little act of petty minded shitiness alone is enough to get rid of these miserable feckers and never, ever let them darken the doors of Parliament again. I personally would happily be first in the queue to give the miserable cunt 'Three Homes' Jenrick a good kicking, and I am not a violent person.
Really? You can't believe that of them, despite the last ten years?
+1
This is exactly what I expect the current shitshow of a Tory part to be doing. They're mean-spirited, petty and not interested in serious governance.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:01 pm
by tabascoboy
Not only, but also...
Government caves to Tory rebels on Illegal Migration Bill after series of Lords defeats
Ministers have caved to Tory rebels and opposition in the House of Lords to its Illegal Migration Bill to ensure that the legislation gets through parliament.
It comes after the flagship immigration legislation suffered a record 20 defeats in the House of Lords.
Firstly, the government has U-turned on the duty of the Home Office to remove migrants crossing the Channel - it will no longer apply retrospectively, as the government had announced, but will apply when the bill receives royal assent.
This means that migrants who are already here will not be subject to the removal provisions of this bill, as ministers had previously announced.
The bans on e-entry, settlement, and citizenship, however, will still apply retrospectively to those who arrived illegally on or after the bill's introduction on 7 March 2023.
Another of the changes is designed to protect unaccompanied children detained for the purpose of removal - it will mean that the first-tier tribunal can grant immigration bail after eight days instead of the current proposed 28 days.
And another will scrap changes to the rules around the detention of pregnant women, meaning they will only be able to be detained for a maximum of 72 hours - although a minister can extend that to seven days.
Home Secretary Suella Braverman said in a statement: "This bill forms a crucial part of our action to stop the boats and ensure people do not risk their lives by making illegal and unnecessary journeys to the UK.
"Today's amendments will help this crucial legislation pass through parliament swiftly, whilst continuing to send a clear message that the exploitation of children and vulnerable people, used by criminals and ferried across the Channel, cannot continue."
https://news.sky.com/story/politics-lat ... i-12593360
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:11 pm
by Hal Jordan
Home Secretary Suella Braverman said in a statement: "Fucking Tory Lefties! I want blood!"
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:32 am
by tabascoboy
And indeed while everyone is looking elsewhere
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 am
by Raggs
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:32 am
And indeed while everyone is looking elsewhere
At what point does withholding evidence become a crime?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:03 am
by Hal Jordan
I see Sunak is inspecting the contents of a fridge when the debate of Johnson's cronies is being held.
And spineless Hoyle chose the least controversial way of doing it.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:26 am
by tabascoboy
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 am
At what point does withholding evidence become a crime?
In theory it's "Perverting the Course of Justice"
- concealing or destroying evidence concerning a police investigation to avoid arrest;
Or "Contempt of court"
- disobeying or ignoring a court order
But I'm guessing the next step ( I'm no expert) under normal circumstances would be to issue a warrant to enter property to search and seize evidence relevant to the court order - which should be pretty embarrassing by itself.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:22 pm
by Camroc2
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:32 am
And indeed while everyone is looking elsewhere
At what point does withholding evidence become a crime?
Oh I imagine it will be accidentally dropped in a WC, or under a car wheel long before then.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:26 pm
by sturginho
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:32 am
And indeed while everyone is looking elsewhere
And just to make extra sure that nobody mentions this, there's another baby announcement today
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:47 pm
by Hal Jordan
There's always another baby announcement, he barebacks more than a rodeo rider with three shows to do before dinnertime.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:57 pm
by Simian
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:47 pm
There's always another baby announcement, he barebacks more than a rodeo rider with three shows to do before dinnertime.
Dude. That put me off my lunch.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:59 pm
by C69
Fuck me I have gone into Town and forgot it's the 12th.
Feral drunkards roaming the streets draped in Union flags and St George's Crosses wearing Rangers shirts and spouting foul language.
FFS
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:38 pm
by SaintK
Mad Nad still spitting feathers about that peerage!!
Wish she'd just fuck off like she promised!
Nadine Dorries has been reported to the chief whip and Commons speaker after allegedly sending “forceful” emails to the government about not being given a peerage.
In a highly unusual move, the cabinet secretary, Simon Case, revealed he had “flagged” the issue to the parliamentary authorities, and also asked for advice about any potential breach of the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... johnson
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:38 pm
by GogLais
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:59 pm
Fuck me I have gone into Town and forgot it's the 12th.
Feral drunkards roaming the streets draped in Union flags and St George's Crosses wearing Rangers shirts and spouting foul language.
FFS
Where’s town if you don’t mind my asking? I remember them lining up outside our office in Liverpool before going off to Southport for the day.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:43 pm
by C69
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:38 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:59 pm
Fuck me I have gone into Town and forgot it's the 12th.
Feral drunkards roaming the streets draped in Union flags and St George's Crosses wearing Rangers shirts and spouting foul language.
FFS
Where’s town if you don’t mind my asking? I remember them lining up outside our office in Liverpool before going off to Southport for the day.
Southport
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:49 pm
by GogLais
SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:38 pm
Mad Nad still spitting feathers about that peerage!!
Wish she'd just fuck off like she promised!
Nadine Dorries has been reported to the chief whip and Commons speaker after allegedly sending “forceful” emails to the government about not being given a peerage.
In a highly unusual move, the cabinet secretary, Simon Case, revealed he had “flagged” the issue to the parliamentary authorities, and also asked for advice about any potential breach of the law.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... johnson
It’s still astonishing that she has no idea how this looks to the rest of us. Or she doesn’t care more likely.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:50 pm
by GogLais
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:43 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:38 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:59 pm
Fuck me I have gone into Town and forgot it's the 12th.
Feral drunkards roaming the streets draped in Union flags and St George's Crosses wearing Rangers shirts and spouting foul language.
FFS
Where’s town if you don’t mind my asking? I remember them lining up outside our office in Liverpool before going off to Southport for the day.
Southport
I should have expected that.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:10 pm
by Insane_Homer
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Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:20 pm
by Sandstorm
Could the Tories BE any more cuntish?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:26 pm
by Insane_Homer
I think what he meant to say is that Tories want 'donations' to make up for the all the Rubles they've lost out on?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:28 pm
by SaintK
I thought Wallace was supposed to be "the" safe pair of hands in cabinet!!
The Sun asks if Sunak would have said the comments made by Ben Wallace about Ukraine needing to show the west “gratitude”.
Sunak says: “President Zelenskiy has repeatedly expressed his gratitude to me and to the British people and indeed other allies as well. He did it very movingly in parliament when he was in the UK earlier this year.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:32 pm
by tabascoboy
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:20 pm
Could the Tories BE any more cuntish?
That's a challenge I expect them to take on with relish