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Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:42 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:24 am Great bit of muckracking there by the Heil. Massage therapist gives man neck massage in public and says he was a 'perfect gentleman'.

Whilst travelling with a sexual predator whose modus operandi was to groom girls for trafficking and sexual exploitation having first recruited them to massage him. Context is important.

The article actually points out that the massage itself was given upon Maxwell's urging which was standard operating procedure.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm**

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:24 am Great bit of muckracking there by the Heil. Massage therapist gives man neck massage in public and says he was a 'perfect gentleman'.
Whilst travelling with a sexual predator whose modus operandi was to groom girls for trafficking and sexual exploitation having first recruited them to massage him. Context is important.

The article actually points out that the massage itself was given upon Maxwell's urging which was standard operating procedure.

Context IS important, yes. The context being that the Daily Mail is attempting to make it seem seedy and that Clinton was part of the exploitation of this woman, when he blatantly wasn't.

And there's a big difference between "rub that guy's neck because you're a trained massage therapist" - which is not out of line - and getting underage models to provide massages to a naked Epstein.

It's seedy non-journalism.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:35 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:56 pm
And 1 guest wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:51 pm And now she is trying to get bail on the grounds that Covid reduces contact with her lawyers and jail is dangerous.
Aww bless her little cotton socks.
I hope she rots in gaol and gets passed around from cell to cell as currency.

So your oft proclaimed sense of justice and fairness is taking a few days off?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:58 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:24 am Great bit of muckracking there by the Heil. Massage therapist gives man neck massage in public and says he was a 'perfect gentleman'.
Whilst travelling with a sexual predator whose modus operandi was to groom girls for trafficking and sexual exploitation having first recruited them to massage him. Context is important.

The article actually points out that the massage itself was given upon Maxwell's urging which was standard operating procedure.
Context IS important, yes. The context being that the Daily Mail is attempting to make it seem seedy and that Clinton was part of the exploitation of this woman, when he blatantly wasn't.

And there's a big difference between "rub that guy's neck because you're a trained massage therapist" - which is not out of line - and getting underage models to provide massages to a naked Epstein.

It's seedy non-journalism.

Massages weren't just given to Epstein though. They were a precursor to sexual activity between the Maxwell/Epstein recruited masseuse and clients of his. This particular massage therapist is not just any old massage therapist operating in a professional capacity, shes an alleged victim of Epstein. The person she is massaging is not just any old person, he's a man with a checkered past of sexual deviancy who along with other rich and famous people has been implicated in this sexual trafficking ring.

The massage was the gateway to sexual exploitation and trafficking in that it "softened up the victim", making them take down their guard and lower their boundaries. It was a very deliberate procedure designed to make the victim feel at ease with what was about to transpire.

This story is by no means innocuous rather it gives an insight into the seedy world of Epstein, Maxwell and Clinton.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:10 pm**

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:58 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:42 pm

Whilst travelling with a sexual predator whose modus operandi was to groom girls for trafficking and sexual exploitation having first recruited them to massage him. Context is important.

The article actually points out that the massage itself was given upon Maxwell's urging which was standard operating procedure.
Context IS important, yes. The context being that the Daily Mail is attempting to make it seem seedy and that Clinton was part of the exploitation of this woman, when he blatantly wasn't.

And there's a big difference between "rub that guy's neck because you're a trained massage therapist" - which is not out of line - and getting underage models to provide massages to a naked Epstein.

It's seedy non-journalism.
Massages weren't just given to Epstein though. They were a precursor to sexual activity between the Maxwell/Epstein recruited masseuse and clients of his. This particular massage therapist is not just any old massage therapist operating in a professional capacity, shes an alleged victim of Epstein. The person she is massaging is not just any old person, he's a man with a checkered past of sexual deviancy who along with other rich and famous people has been implicated in this sexual trafficking ring.

The massage was the gateway to sexual exploitation and trafficking in that it "softened up the victim", making them take down their guard and lower their boundaries. It was a very deliberate procedure designed to make the victim feel at ease with what was about to transpire.

This story is by no means innocuous rather it gives an insight into the seedy world of Epstein, Maxwell and Clinton.

So a guy having an affair is now: "sexual deviancy" ?

Hyperbole much ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 pm**

Different women making claims of sexual assault and rape against him is probably what he's referring to. And let's remember - we must believe all women.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:42 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 pm Different women making claims of sexual assault and rape against him is probably what he's referring to. And let's remember - we must believe all women.

Except if they say it about the Shitgibbon presumably, because ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:19 pm**

Bunch of creeps.
But powerful creeps, nonetheless.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:25 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:42 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 pm Different women making claims of sexual assault and rape against him is probably what he's referring to. And let's remember - we must believe all women.
Except if they say it about the Shitgibbon presumably, because ?

It doesn't matter who they say it about as long as they is a woman or women. Apart from when they say it about Biden.Then the woman should not only be dismissed as a liar but there must also be a press blackout.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:27 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:25 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:42 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 pm Different women making claims of sexual assault and rape against him is probably what he's referring to. And let's remember - we must believe all women.
Except if they say it about the Shitgibbon presumably, because ?
It doesn't matter who they say it about as long as they is a woman or women. Apart from when they say it about Biden.Then the woman should not only be dismissed as a liar but there must also be a press blackout.

Hugo never mentioned the Shitgibbon, did he ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pm**

No, you did.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:46 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 pm Different women making claims of sexual assault and rape against him is probably what he's referring to. And let's remember - we must believe all women.

Trump is clearly on the record not believing the many charges against him or his nominees to the supremes, so....

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:47 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pmNo, you did.

Yes, because I'm sick posters pretending to give a shit about the victims of Epstein & Maxwell; & then making it partisan political issue.

If Clinton was a predator, & wasn't fit for office; then why not mention the pile of shit currently in the Oval Office ?

If having an Affair makes a man a sexual predator, & unfit for office; when can we expect the tosser in 10 Downing Street to be hounded out of Office ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:52 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:47 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pmNo, you did.
Yes, because I'm sick posters pretending to give a shit about the victims of Epstein & Maxwell; & then making it partisan political issue.

If Clinton was a predator, & wasn't fit for office; then why not mention the pile of shit currently in the Oval Office ?

If having an Affair makes a man a sexual predator, & unfit for office; when can we expect the tosser in 10 Downing Street to be hounded out of Office ?

So hang on, in the interests of fairness, when discussing a predator or particular deviant, we must make sure to mention all other predators or deviants, even though they weren't part of that particular discussion...hmmm seems right

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:55 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:47 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pmNo, you did.
Yes, because I'm sick posters pretending to give a shit about the victims of Epstein & Maxwell; & then making it partisan political issue.

If Clinton was a predator, & wasn't fit for office; then why not mention the pile of shit currently in the Oval Office ?

If having an Affair makes a man a sexual predator, & unfit for office; when can we expect the tosser in 10 Downing Street to be hounded out of Office ?

He didn’t “have an affair” he abused an intern from a position of power.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:49 pm**

Jambanja wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:52 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:47 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pmNo, you did.
Yes, because I'm sick posters pretending to give a shit about the victims of Epstein & Maxwell; & then making it partisan political issue.

If Clinton was a predator, & wasn't fit for office; then why not mention the pile of shit currently in the Oval Office ?

If having an Affair makes a man a sexual predator, & unfit for office; when can we expect the tosser in 10 Downing Street to be hounded out of Office ?
So hang on, in the interests of fairness, when discussing a predator or particular deviant, we must make sure to mention all other predators or deviants, even though they weren't part of that particular discussion...hmmm seems right

Well lets just say; if a poster doesn't want to just look like a complete shill; they shouldn't ignore other well known predators, who happen to be from their team.

There are sexual predators on all sides of every debate; & if you can chuck stones at someone whose politics you don't agree with; don't be too surprised if someone else thinks other people whose politics you do like; should get the same treatment !

Look at the darling of Liberals everywhere; & lately, the GOP, Alan Dershowitz; how many people are saying he should be locked up ?

Wasn't he on the flights to paedo Island ?

Didn't he get a massage ?

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:29 am**

Fishfoodie has had an absolute 'mare.

Deliberately downplaying Bill Clinton's sexual improprieties as "an affair" (singular) as if he has not admitted to having two extra marital "affairs" and as if he has not been accused by multiple other women of sexual assault.

To defend this behaviour by trying to minimize it and then accuse others of politicizing this thread when he is one who has brought up Trump and Boris Johnson for no apparent reason. I can only think that he's drunk because none of it makes any sense.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:39 am**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:55 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:47 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:28 pmNo, you did.
Yes, because I'm sick posters pretending to give a shit about the victims of Epstein & Maxwell; & then making it partisan political issue.

If Clinton was a predator, & wasn't fit for office; then why not mention the pile of shit currently in the Oval Office ?

If having an Affair makes a man a sexual predator, & unfit for office; when can we expect the tosser in 10 Downing Street to be hounded out of Office ?

He didn’t “have an affair” he abused an intern from a position of power.

Yeah, it is a wholly inappropriate term given what we know about the nature of his and Monica's relationship.

They weren't a pair of restless fortysomethings stuck in loveless marriages who sought companionship and romance in one another with walks on the beach and fireside chats.

It was a powerful man engaged in lewd and lascivious acts whilst on the job with an impressionable, awestruck intern who was old enough to be his daughter. It would be abominable act if anyone did it, its inexcusable for a leader of a country.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:39 am**

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:39 am

It was a powerful man engaged in lewd and lascivious acts whilst on the job with an impressionable, awestruck intern who was old enough to be his daughter.

It's basically the same age gap as that between Trump and Knauss, it's less of an age gap than Trump and Stormy

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:45 am**

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:35 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:56 pm
And 1 guest wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:51 pm And now she is trying to get bail on the grounds that Covid reduces contact with her lawyers and jail is dangerous.
Aww bless her little cotton socks.
I hope she rots in gaol and gets passed around from cell to cell as currency.
So your oft proclaimed sense of justice and fairness is taking a few days off?

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