Elon Musk bought Twitter.

[Marylandolorian]

^ cool
Was curious and went to his latest posts, I know





I like this one

[laurent]

^ cool
Was curious and went to his latest posts, I know





I like this one

Yanks think Macron is a lefty ...

[sefton]

There’s a real cult of personality around Musk.

[Guy Smiley]

There’s a real cult of personality around Musk.

An aroma, you might say.

[Fonz]

Today I explained to my 11 and 8 year olds why Elon is a shit. It was easy and they got over his flash cars fairly quickly

Tbf the point can be made rather succinctly once you point out his last child was named in the fashion of an industrial appliance, AE-XYZ 777 or whatever it was.

I am curious as to who's considered the kewl oligarch in the ER household. Bezos probably just gives children nightmares.

[_Os_]

This 100%

The 2008 start date of that meme is interesting, the GFC.

Since then structural failings in many of the most developed economies have not been fixed. Instead huge debts have piled up whilst people like Musk got richer. The right can't propose any real meaningful change, because that means impacting the people who fund them (billionaires who benefit from the system). So instead the right targets minorities with the least power (immigrants/racial minorities/Muslims), the implication explicitly or implicitly is these powerless people are to blame for all the problems. To do this the right has to amplify what morons say on a university campus somewhere (places that have protests daily) and give every left wing nutjob they can find the biggest platform they can possibly give them. As this has been happening the right in many European countries and the US really has moved towards fascism, storming the Capitol, the UK's immigration system, Le Pen ... these aren't signs the right hasn't moved.

This is obscured in the US by all the money greasing every part of their democratic system, in the UK it's a lot more obvious because there's less money most of which goes to the Tories. The US and the UK are two of the most impacted highly developed nations, because they're among the most unequal where there's also a significant amount of poverty and at least in the UK's case low/no growth too. All the right can do in those nations is attack powerless minorities whilst they themselves undertake industrial scale embezzlement whenever they can.

I imagine the "culture wars" isn't going to work so well for the right, when there's millions of people in poverty in these highly developed nations and their lives are still getting worse. But who knows, the right seems to have manufactured quite a large Russian style alternate reality that has trapped about 10%-30% of the electorate in some of these nations (as that meme points out, the left has gone crazy but Q-Anon is completely normal). And that's really what Musk's play here is about. He needs to unchain Trump, the Russian bot networks, and all the other crazies including those on the left, because all that helps him get richer. He needs to help build the alternate reality.

[Hugo]

By my reckoning the culture wars are a way of keeping the masses preoccupied with (in the grand scheme of things) relatively trivial matters whilst oligarchs get on with the task of hoovering up all the worlds resources and assets.

[eldanielfire]

This 100%

The 2008 start date of that meme is interesting, the GFC.

Since then structural failings in many of the most developed economies have not been fixed. Instead huge debts have piled up whilst people like Musk got richer. The right can't propose any real meaningful change, because that means impacting the people who fund them (billionaires who benefit from the system). So instead the right targets minorities with the least power (immigrants/racial minorities/Muslims), the implication explicitly or implicitly is these powerless people are to blame for all the problems. To do this the right has to amplify what morons say on a university campus somewhere (places that have protests daily) and give every left wing nutjob they can find the biggest platform they can possibly give them. As this has been happening the right in many European countries and the US really has moved towards fascism, storming the Capitol, the UK's immigration system, Le Pen ... these aren't signs the right hasn't moved.

This is obscured in the US by all the money greasing every part of their democratic system, in the UK it's a lot more obvious because there's less money most of which goes to the Tories. The US and the UK are two of the most impacted highly developed nations, because they're among the most unequal where there's also a significant amount of poverty and at least in the UK's case low/no growth too. All the right can do in those nations is attack powerless minorities whilst they themselves undertake industrial scale embezzlement whenever they can.

I imagine the "culture wars" isn't going to work so well for the right, when there's millions of people in poverty in these highly developed nations and their lives are still getting worse. But who knows, the right seems to have manufactured quite a large Russian style alternate reality that has trapped about 10%-30% of the electorate in some of these nations (as that meme points out, the left has gone crazy but Q-Anon is completely normal). And that's really what Musk's play here is about. He needs to unchain Trump, the Russian bot networks, and all the other crazies including those on the left, because all that helps him get richer. He needs to help build the alternate reality.

Much good commentary here. Though I disagree about the amplification of stuff from the Universaity campus us from the right. I'd say certain trends have meant some fringe campus theories have come into/infiltrated into the corporate mainstream and are impactin on society. There's a reason why say JK Rowling has suddenly become an open target for loopy intolerant left wingers whose voices are amplified on social media. And she is a pretty hardcore leftwinger.

The issue with your Q-Anon point is nobody thinks they are normal. People think they are a KKK like organisation. However in society or social media, are still a fringe group. What Elon Musk's diagram shows is how the broad commentary heard in the mainstream goes. The right's usual bodies is broadly only late to the party and only here to score points. There is a growing populist right who are embarcing bigger governemnt and working class values and support, but they are not part of any institutions there.

But overall I agree the usual right wing political institutes aren't offering any issues for the issues with material solutions. Despite for the first time recognising them. Boris Johnson is a perfect example of this where saying levelling up the north is absked up with very little actual action. The issue of course is neither is the left doing much these days and embarce the meo-liberal model, aided by whose who biggest voices fixate on cultural war issues they broadly start or make toxic.

[eldanielfire]

By my reckoning the culture wars are a way of keeping the masses preoccupied with (in the grand scheme of things) relatively trivial matters whilst oligarchs get on with the task of hoovering up all the worlds resources and assets.

I don't think there's any plan. It's a horrid mess of factors that interact with each other. I beleive a combination of factors, the idle rich who live in an era of virtue, damage done to the middle classes by decades of neo-liberalism. A Replication crisis where non-credible university theories get cited as fact with little euality evidence, the atomisation of society under a weird and cntradictory umbrella of globalisation, rise of political bubbles victum culture.

It's all what happens when you allow corporate capitalism and elitist culture to not only run amock, but be overly infulential in the political decision makings of many fo our nations.

[Tichtheid]

There's a reason why say JK Rowling has suddenly become an open target for loopy intolerant left wingers whose voices are amplified on social media. And she is a pretty hardcore leftwinger.

JK Rowling has been targeted by a single issue campaign. I don't think we can call her hardcore left winger, though. Yes, definitions evolve but we can't just throw them out altogether and use a term to mean whatever we want it to mean. JK Rowling is a Labour voter, or was at one point, I don't know about now. She has spoken out on several social issues, but hard core left-winger? No, she's not an anarcho-syndicalist, a Stalinist, Maoist, Revolutionary Communist or whatever. She may have worn a Che Guevara T shirt as a teenager, I don't know, but she not exactly shouting "Hasta La Victoria Siempre" from the battlements of her mansions now.

She's left of centre with a particular interest in social issues from what I can see, this is important because if we don't have definite terms we end up with a meaningless bundle of words that have no use whatsoever. Unless we want "hardcore left-winger" to mean everyone who opposes the likes of Le Pen, Trump, Johnson we should strive to be more precise.

[eldanielfire]

There's a reason why say JK Rowling has suddenly become an open target for loopy intolerant left wingers whose voices are amplified on social media. And she is a pretty hardcore leftwinger.

JK Rowling has been targeted by a single issue campaign. I don't think we can call her hardcore left winger, though.

She put millions into social causes and campaigned for heavily for Labour. I din't think she is "far left" just very firmly pro-left leaning.

Yes, definitions evolve but we can't just throw them out altogether and use a term to mean whatever we want it to mean.

Which is what Musk is satirising.

JK Rowling is a Labour voter, or was at one point, I don't know about now. She has spoken out on several social issues, but hard core left-winger? No, she's not an anarcho-syndicalist, a Stalinist, Maoist, Revolutionary Communist or whatever. She may have worn a Che Guevara T shirt as a teenager, I don't know, but she not exactly shouting "Hasta La Victoria Siempre" from the battlements of her mansions now.


She's left of centre with a particular interest in social issues from what I can see, this is important because if we don't have definite terms we end up with a meaningless bundle of words that have no use whatsoever. Unless we want "hardcore left-winger" to mean everyone who opposes the likes of Le Pen, Trump, Johnson we should strive to be more precise.

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

Taking up on the language change as well, I think Musk's diagram is showing what the sentiments of labels are doing today. Classic left wingers and liberals are being thrown out of the left by the hard core. In many ways aspects of this hard core isn't very left wing but they are polarising the language. The right could be more or less static or more getting right wing or furtehr to the right, however I don't think the far right has redifined everything to the left of them as more left wing when it paitently isn't. Sure your typical Fox News idiot still thinks Obama was socialist, but they haven't claimed say George H Bush is now a left wing socialist for example.

[Tichtheid]

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

hard-core means (from Collins, these are the relevant definitions, building materials are not in this category)

NOUN
1. the members of a group or movement who form an intransigent nucleus resisting change

ADJECTIVE

4. extremely committed or fanatical
a hard-core Communist


I'm struggling to see the difference between "hard-core left winger" and "far left"

[robmatic]

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

hard-core means (from Collins, these are the relevant definitions, building materials are not in this category)

NOUN
1. the members of a group or movement who form an intransigent nucleus resisting change

ADJECTIVE

4. extremely committed or fanatical
a hard-core Communist


I'm struggling to see the difference between "hard-core left winger" and "far left"

I read 'far left' as extreme in terms of politics whereas I understand Rowling to be very committed (she's a big donor and politically active) and on the left and not particularly extreme.

[Margin__Walker]

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

hard-core means (from Collins, these are the relevant definitions, building materials are not in this category)

NOUN
1. the members of a group or movement who form an intransigent nucleus resisting change

ADJECTIVE

4. extremely committed or fanatical
a hard-core Communist


I'm struggling to see the difference between "hard-core left winger" and "far left"

Most will, but that wont save you from the flurry of self-assured waffle that will follow.

[robmatic]

I think it's a bit weird to deny what's happening on the right side of the spectrum. In the US, the libertarian fringe seems to have morphed into authoritarian loons and in the UK the Tories have purged themselves of the 'one nation' conservatives in favour of swivel-eyed Brexiteers.

[Paddington Bear]

I think it's a bit weird to deny what's happening on the right side of the spectrum. In the US, the libertarian fringe seems to have morphed into authoritarian loons and in the UK the Tories have purged themselves of the 'one nation' conservatives in favour of swivel-eyed Brexiteers.

One nation Toryism is such a meaningless phrase. The people who most recently adopted it were full square behind the toughest austerity measures, they just present better on TV and don't like brexit.

[Tichtheid]

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

hard-core means (from Collins, these are the relevant definitions, building materials are not in this category)

NOUN
1. the members of a group or movement who form an intransigent nucleus resisting change

ADJECTIVE

4. extremely committed or fanatical
a hard-core Communist


I'm struggling to see the difference between "hard-core left winger" and "far left"

I read 'far left' as extreme in terms of politics whereas I understand Rowling to be very committed (she's a big donor and politically active) and on the left and not particularly extreme.

my figures are very crude, but google tells me that the average uk household donation to charities is around £53, taking an average income of £31K (again google) that amounts to around 0.16%.
It's a happy coincidence in terms of numbers that JK Rowling donated 16% of her wealth to charities and causes, however given that the 16 percent is what knocked her off billionaire status, it doesn't demonstrate that she is 100 times more committed than the average person in the UK, when you are left with over eight hundred million you can give more in absolute terms, the average household has way less wiggle room in their budgets.

Good on her, though.

[eldanielfire]

As I said hardcore left winger, not far left. I think you missudnerstood me.

hard-core means (from Collins, these are the relevant definitions, building materials are not in this category)

NOUN
1. the members of a group or movement who form an intransigent nucleus resisting change

ADJECTIVE

4. extremely committed or fanatical
a hard-core Communist


I'm struggling to see the difference between "hard-core left winger" and "far left"

Hard core means dedicated. Far left clearly referes to where their positon is on the spectrum of politics.

Someone who campaigns, donates a lot fo money for not beenfit is hardcore. Someone who occupies say a communist belief is regarded as far left. Being far left doesn't mean you much do or are vocal about it to show dedication.

[Hal Jordan]

There's a reason why say JK Rowling has suddenly become an open target for loopy intolerant left wingers whose voices are amplified on social media. And she is a pretty hardcore leftwinger.

JK Rowling has been targeted by a single issue campaign. I don't think we can call her hardcore left winger, though. Yes, definitions evolve but we can't just throw them out altogether and use a term to mean whatever we want it to mean. JK Rowling is a Labour voter, or was at one point, I don't know about now. She has spoken out on several social issues, but hard core left-winger? No, she's not an anarcho-syndicalist, a Stalinist, Maoist, Revolutionary Communist or whatever. She may have worn a Che Guevara T shirt as a teenager, I don't know, but she not exactly shouting "Hasta La Victoria Siempre" from the battlements of her mansions now.

She's left of centre with a particular interest in social issues from what I can see, this is important because if we don't have definite terms we end up with a meaningless bundle of words that have no use whatsoever. Unless we want "hardcore left-winger" to mean everyone who opposes the likes of Le Pen, Trump, Johnson we should strive to be more precise.

That bullshit meme Mr Free Speech threw up onto Twitter would certainly classify her as a "leftist".

[_Os_]

I'd say certain trends have meant some fringe campus theories have come into/infiltrated into the corporate mainstream and are impactin on society.

That's the exact sort of right wing talking point I'm taking aim at. The idea a corporate that's worth billions is doing something because of what some crazy person at a university is saying, doesn't really stack up. Any successful business is motivated by profit. There's two reasons a business will do something the right wing hates:

1. It's what the society wants and they're responding to the market. A lot of the moaning from the right seems to have a large component of just being angry black people exist and their societies are undergoing significant demographic change.
2. It gives them a competitive advantage over rivals. If all sorts of non-merit based market distortions are enforced on businesses, then an established corporate with huge resources just carries the cost and still gets the best talent or whatever. Meanwhile a smaller business finds it much harder meeting the requirements. Anything that means a business has to hire x% of whatever demographic for whatever role, will always be supported by the biggest businesses because it provides them more competitive advantage.

The right has no answers to any of this. Their answer to 2 isn't "we just want merit", because that then opens up a debate about the inputs and you quickly find things (education system, wealth, etc) are weighted in favour of some and against others, and changing that is against the interests of those that bankroll them. So instead it's nonsense about some university professor someplace, essentially controlling all of corporate America.

The issue of course is neither is the left doing much these days and embarce the meo-liberal model, aided by whose who biggest voices fixate on cultural war issues they broadly start or make toxic.

There's a very simple solution, it's called tax. Some parts of the developed economies have done fantastically well from globalisation, they should be taxed so that those who have not done well can have a chance to do well too. But those who typically back the right wing parties don't want this, because it means taxing them. So instead they've decided to attack everything that's brought the prosperity they wish to keep for themselves.

Things that are common in Europe seem not to be on the agenda in the US and UK. Free or near enough free university education. Strong labour unions that work with businesses. A generous welfare state funded by taxes. For example, Swedes generally support AI/automation/robotics, because they trust that whatever the disruption and job losses, there will also be increased productivity which the state will ensure benefits everyone.

Musk is pro every type of disruption possible and therefore maximum job losses, but also anti anything to counterbalance that (which must come from higher taxes on people like him). That's what Musk's politics is, and that's what the right ring talking points you're parroting are too.

[Muttonbird]

This 100%

Lone Skum is daft. It's amazing such stupid idiots become so wealthy. The ego of the man imagining he is the centre and everyone else has moved around him. With new crayons he should do another with the centre in the middle (the clue is in the name).

In those stick drawings, he acknowledges a huge number of voters have now moved to the left of him. Well, that is a good thing, for the socially responsible left! Also, he acknowledges the right has moved away from the centre at exactly the same rate as he has accused the left of doing. And he moved with them.

Someone should take this clown's Twitter account from him.

[FalseBayFC]

This 100%

Lone Skum is daft. It's amazing such stupid idiots become so wealthy. The ego of the man imagining he is the centre and everyone else has moved around him. With new crayons he should do another with the centre in the middle (the clue is in the name).

In those stick drawings, he acknowledges a huge number of voters have now moved to the left of him. Well, that is a good thing, for the socially responsible left! Also, he acknowledges the right has moved away from the centre at exactly the same rate as he has accused the left of doing. And he moved with them.

Someone should take this clown's Twitter account from him.

Its because he's a Saffer, isn't it?

[sockwithaticket]

^ cool
Was curious and went to his latest posts, I know





I like this one

Big 'Enlightened Centrist - both sides are as bad as each other' vibes.

I think someone already mentioned it in here, but the notion that he's some kind of free speech protector given his suppression of Tesla workers' voices is bitterly hilarious.

[eldanielfire]

I'd say certain trends have meant some fringe campus theories have come into/infiltrated into the corporate mainstream and are impactin on society.

That's the exact sort of right wing talking point I'm taking aim at. The idea a corporate that's worth billions is doing something because of what some crazy person at a university is saying, doesn't really stack up. Any successful business is motivated by profit. There's two reasons a business will do something the right wing hates:

It's not a right wing talking point. The idea Corporations are co-opting the look of progressive values while still acting like dirty corporations is going on. The idea the rich are the biggest users of politics and PR is ridiculous not "why would a big corporate entity want to whietwash it's image." Corporation will always hide or whitewahs their images.

1. It's what the society wants and they're responding to the market. A lot of the moaning from the right seems to have a large component of just being angry black people exist and their societies are undergoing significant demographic change.
2. It gives them a competitive advantage over rivals. If all sorts of non-merit based market distortions are enforced on businesses, then an established corporate with huge resources just carries the cost and still gets the best talent or whatever. Meanwhile a smaller business finds it much harder meeting the requirements. Anything that means a business has to hire x% of whatever demographic for whatever role, will always be supported by the biggest businesses because it provides them more competitive advantage.

The right has no answers to any of this. Their answer to 2 isn't "we just want merit", because that then opens up a debate about the inputs and you quickly find things (education system, wealth, etc) are weighted in favour of some and against others, and changing that is against the interests of those that bankroll them. So instead it's nonsense about some university professor someplace, essentially controlling all of corporate America.

The issue of course is neither is the left doing much these days and embarce the meo-liberal model, aided by whose who biggest voices fixate on cultural war issues they broadly start or make toxic.

There's a very simple solution, it's called tax. Some parts of the developed economies have done fantastically well from globalisation, they should be taxed so that those who have not done well can have a chance to do well too. But those who typically back the right wing parties don't want this, because it means taxing them. So instead they've decided to attack everything that's brought the prosperity they wish to keep for themselves.[/quote]

None of this addresses what we were discussing. It's just a rant about many fo the faults and hypocrisies of the right in america which I'm often agree with. Many of which I've made before. That doesn't relate to the cultural war issue bits of the left makes for the rest of the left.

As for the etax issue, I aprtly agree. The big issue of tax is the horse has bolted, by allowing such ease of company movement and eno-liberalism, it's extremely difficult to simply claim "tax is the solution" It isn't, even if these multi-billionaires should be taxed more. I'll leave the example of
François Hollande who mid last deacde just created a millionaires tax. And as a consequence ended up taking less in taxiation and therefore less money to address the problems of the country. Though on the subject of tax I think Biden's idea that all the big westenr countries should pay a minimun amount to not udnercut each other was a good one. Though the Irish on PR rejected it.

Things that are common in Europe seem not to be on the agenda in the US and UK. Free or near enough free university education. Strong labour unions that work with businesses. A generous welfare state funded by taxes. For example, Swedes generally support AI/automation/robotics, because they trust that whatever the disruption and job losses, there will also be increased productivity which the state will ensure benefits everyone.

Musk is pro every type of disruption possible and therefore maximum job losses, but also anti anything to counterbalance that (which must come from higher taxes on people like him). That's what Musk's politics is, and that's what the right ring talking points you're parroting are too.

To be fair, hasn't Msuk paid the most tax ever in the USA? But I agree on the fact more countries should follow the Nordic nations. But don't think that'll resolve the cultural issues of what you just criticised about Republicans, they are starting to go further on perserving their cultural values and society than almost any angelo nation around. They are getting tough on some of the effects of neo-liberalism you defended and taking more measures than what the republican party can dream of to ensure a cohesive society functions when it coems to multiculturalism. They are doing it in a more holistic way but their concerns on immigration, cultural changes in society etc has produced governemnts who are even forcing people of non-EU backgrounds to move to new areas.

[average joe]

This 100%

Lone Skum is daft. It's amazing such stupid idiots become so wealthy. The ego of the man imagining he is the centre and everyone else has moved around him. With new crayons he should do another with the centre in the middle (the clue is in the name).

In those stick drawings, he acknowledges a huge number of voters have now moved to the left of him. Well, that is a good thing, for the socially responsible left! Also, he acknowledges the right has moved away from the centre at exactly the same rate as he has accused the left of doing. And he moved with them.

Someone should take this clown's Twitter account from him.

Its because he's a Saffer, isn't it?

I know some like to claim him but to be honest he's more Canadian than Seth Effrican.

[Tichtheid]

To be fair, hasn't Msuk paid the most tax ever in the USA?

He paid around 4% of his net worth in tax

Tesla paid zero, from what I gather Tesla structured its incomes so that the US operations showed a loss and the offshore subsidiaries were where the profits were shown

[_Os_]

Eldan you need to fix the quotes, you've fucked them so hard that it's incredibly difficult to reply to you, even after I've deciphered what you're trying to say.

Needless to say, you can't agree with everything I'm saying then say that nevertheless the "culture war" is a real thing.

[eldanielfire]

To be fair, hasn't Msuk paid the most tax ever in the USA?

He paid around 4% of his net worth in tax

Tesla paid zero, from what I gather Tesla structured its incomes so that the US operations showed a loss and the offshore subsidiaries were where the profits were shown

And Apple and Amazon paid even less.

The problem is the blurirng of the line between company assets and personal wealth. Elon pays so little because most of his money is, well, isn't money.

The tax system as a whole is out of date. A good concept to read how billionaires get away with it is watch any YouTube video that explains the "buy borrow die" strategy. I'd start by possibly saying company assets not dircetly related to the production or servce of the company of millionaires can't be inheritated.

[eldanielfire]

Eldan you need to fix the quotes, you've fucked them so hard that it's incredibly difficult to reply to you, even after I've deciphered what you're trying to say.

Needless to say, you can't agree with everything I'm saying then say that nevertheless the "culture war" is a real thing.

I agree, only it's been played by both sides.

[MungoMan]

I’d be willing to finance Musk’s next Big Adventure. To be specific, I’d pay handsomely to see him set alight in a public place.

[Tichtheid]

The problem is the blurirng of the line between company assets and personal wealth. Elon pays so little because most of his money is, well, isn't money.

Ha! Someone said this the other day and and was asked, "How come his money isn't real when it comes to tax but is real when it comes to buying Twitter?"

[JM2K6]

JK Rowling is not particularly left wing. She's vaguely liberal but pretty much classic centrist, with a strong conservative streak in many ways (that also show up in interesting fashion in her work output). She loved her some Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, but we should probably be beyond just considering Labour to be "left" and the Tories to be "right" given how facile a comparison that is. There's even some right wing Labour MPs!

Anyway, as for Musk:



You could make a case for Democrat voters having moved further to the left, but the Democrats themselves very clearly haven't. You only have to look at who's running the joint and the decisions they've been making. As for the idea that the right has stood still... sorry, I guess they were asleep when President Trump was being praised by the far right [and praising them in turn] and was being advised by Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and their acolytes. And if anyone wants to tell me that those guys aren't far right, then I guess the term has lost all meaning. The party has since become beholden to Trump and his cronies, the whole Q-Anon nonsense has infected the party, and you've got genuine scumbags rising to prominence. The Anti Defamation League reported that more than 100 far-right candidates are running for political office this year, as Republicans.

Sadly, Musk genuinely does seem to be what happens when you get your run-of-the-mill internet weirdo and give him a shit-ton of money. Without the cash, he'd probably just be jerking off to dog porn on 4chan and making his 50th burner account on Twitter in order to make "edgy" replies to various minorities.

[Marylandolorian]

^ cool
Was curious and went to his latest posts, I know

https://twitter.

I like this one

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/

Big 'Enlightened Centrist - both sides are as bad as each other' vibes.

I think someone already mentioned it in here, but the notion that he's some kind of free speech protector given his suppression of Tesla workers' voices is bitterly hilarious.

Oh I completely agree with you, when I wrote “ I like this one” it was sarcastic.
I’ve been following Tesla, the company (not him directly and not on twit) since 2010 or so, and at the time I already believed in the electric cars, but I’ll never buy a Tesla.

[_Os_]

Eldan you need to fix the quotes, you've fucked them so hard that it's incredibly difficult to reply to you, even after I've deciphered what you're trying to say.

Needless to say, you can't agree with everything I'm saying then say that nevertheless the "culture war" is a real thing.

I agree, only it's been played by both sides.

Again the "I agree" then disagreeing with everything. More backbone, please.

The "both sides" defence is also bullshit. The Biden administration and the Trump administration isn't evidence both sides are equally irrational and without solutions. Same for Johnson and Starmer. Lets go back to your original point I replied to "fringe campus theories have come into/infiltrated into the corporate mainstream and are impactin on society" (which you tried to wriggle out of by claiming you like me had really said the primary motivation for a big corporate was making money, when that's not what you said), for your "both sides" defence to work we have to believe the ex-president of the fucking US the sole superpower and some washed up professor at a nowhere university in the US somewhere are the same thing. They're not the same thing.

My point is Musk has a vested interest in no solutions being reached that help the least well off, because that inevitably means Musk paying more. Therefore Musk supports all the "culture war" bullshit, because it's all a meaningless Potemkin created by the right to advance their interests (which are increasing productivity and sharing that with no one), they distract people by exploiting their fears/bigotry/racism, whilst stealing from those same people. For Musk the right hasn't moved one inch to the right since 2008 and is the norm, that's his view of the world, so that's what his agenda at Twitter will be about perpetuating.

Fucked if I know what your point is. That you agree with this, but no it's actually all wrong and Musk is actually no worse or something. Fuck knows.

[JM2K6]

Welcome to the club, _Os_. We have a badge and everything.

[sockwithaticket]

^ cool
Was curious and went to his latest posts, I know

https://twitter.

I like this one

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/

Big 'Enlightened Centrist - both sides are as bad as each other' vibes.

I think someone already mentioned it in here, but the notion that he's some kind of free speech protector given his suppression of Tesla workers' voices is bitterly hilarious.

Oh I completely agree with you, when I wrote “ I like this one” it was sarcastic.
I’ve been following Tesla, the company (not him directly and not on twit) since 2010 or so, and at the time I already believed in the electric cars, but I’ll never buy a Tesla.

No worries, it was definitely a comment on him rather than you for posting it.

[Guy Smiley]

Welcome to the club, _Os_. We have a badge and everything.

[ia801310]

This 100%

Lone Skum is daft. It's amazing such stupid idiots become so wealthy. The ego of the man imagining he is the centre and everyone else has moved around him. With new crayons he should do another with the centre in the middle (the clue is in the name).

In those stick drawings, he acknowledges a huge number of voters have now moved to the left of him. Well, that is a good thing, for the socially responsible left! Also, he acknowledges the right has moved away from the centre at exactly the same rate as he has accused the left of doing. And he moved with them.

Someone should take this clown's Twitter account from him.

I think the only mistake he has made is moving the centre to the left. That may be true in Twitter world but Twitter =/= the real world. If anything the centre has moved to the right

[notfatcat]

I'm intrigued, what do people want to say on Twitter that they can't say now?

"The Babylon Bee has selected Rachel Levine as its first annual Man of the Year"

[robmatic]

JK Rowling is not particularly left wing.

Oh, there we go, a Labour party donor and feminist is now no longer particularly left wing.