Re: Scotland v France C
Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:45 pm
The TMO poured over it for a very long time.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:41 am Having looked at it again, I've changed my mind and I think Graham's try was in fact a knock on. Still, it should never have got to that had Dumorthier defended it a lot better.
Like I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:41 amThe TMO poured over it for a very long time.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:41 am Having looked at it again, I've changed my mind and I think Graham's try was in fact a knock on. Still, it should never have got to that had Dumorthier defended it a lot better.
If Graham got lucky there it was balanced out by the TMO going back several phases to a tiny knock on from Graham in order to rule out Kinghorn’s try
Aren’t the refs meant to give benefit of the doubt to the attacking team as well?Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 amLike I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:41 amThe TMO poured over it for a very long time.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:41 am Having looked at it again, I've changed my mind and I think Graham's try was in fact a knock on. Still, it should never have got to that had Dumorthier defended it a lot better.
If Graham got lucky there it was balanced out by the TMO going back several phases to a tiny knock on from Graham in order to rule out Kinghorn’s try
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
Watson shouldn't make the WC and that's a hill I'm going to die on.dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:29 am First 40mins was awful by Scotland who seemed shocked by the pace of international rugby again! Everyone was about a yard off the pace and struggling with physicality. Our defence was dreadful, kick chase was poor and we were very static and on our heels when defending. I am not sure what was said at half time but it was as if we realised we were the home team and took control of the game and imposed our own game on the French. Once we got a head of steam up and took control then we dominated and looked to play fast, confident and direct rugby with ball in hand. The French didnt score in 2nd half which for me was the key thing. Once we got our strike runners into the game then suddenly the French back 3 looked very exposed and defensively frail.
Going forward I am not sure we have the right mix up front, like others I would prefer to see a different mix in the 2nd row and Darge is now better than Watson who is best now as an impact sub off the bench. For all the deserved criticism of Zander and his red card he does a lot of carrying and grunt work for the team and this will be missed, he is a hefty unit and makes himself known around the park. Scrummaging is probably not his strongest aspect of his game. However a win is a win and the guys deserved it for a big effort playing with 14 men for most of the 2nd half and not letting a dangerous French team score a point.
Next week I suspect we will see weaker team against the French top team which could prove tough!
I think it was probably a knock on, but they called a try on field, and there wasn’t enough to over turn it. None of the angles showed a clear separation of the hand and ball.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:53 amAren’t the refs meant to give benefit of the doubt to the attacking team as well?Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 amLike I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
FWIW, I thought it was a knock on as well and that Darcy’s earlier one was more than a tiny knock on.
Ultimate game of two halves. On the whole, quite pleased. Obviously rusty in the first half but regardless of the composition of the French team, they were still a quality outfit who were totally outplayed by 14 men.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 amLike I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:41 amThe TMO poured over it for a very long time.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:41 am Having looked at it again, I've changed my mind and I think Graham's try was in fact a knock on. Still, it should never have got to that had Dumorthier defended it a lot better.
If Graham got lucky there it was balanced out by the TMO going back several phases to a tiny knock on from Graham in order to rule out Kinghorn’s try
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
I don't think there is any such provision since the advent of the TMO? i.e. the ref makes his call and (like cricket) that's what stands unless there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Which is why the ref's call is so critical........... and I don't like it because most of the time it seems random! IMHO, if the ref needs the TMO, then it should always be treated in doubt and the Laws should clearly state either way which team ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:53 amAren’t the refs meant to give benefit of the doubt to the attacking team as well?Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 amLike I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
FWIW, I thought it was a knock on as well and that Darcy’s earlier one was more than a tiny knock on.
Yup. As per my previous, I don't think Fra gained anything useful from that game at all. The total lack of game management against 14 men was embarrassing and remains a repeated gripe of mine in T14 where we regularly see sides contrive to lose against 14 men.Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:25 pmUltimate game of two halves. On the whole, quite pleased. Obviously rusty in the first half but regardless of the composition of the French team, they were still a quality outfit who were totally outplayed by 14 men.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 amLike I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
Don't know about that. Pretty sure they're only meant to go back a couple of phases for anything that's not serious foul play though.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:43 amI don't think there is any such provision since the advent of the TMO? i.e. the ref makes his call and (like cricket) that's what stands unless there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Which is why the ref's call is so critical........... and I don't like it because most of the time it seems random! IMHO, if the ref needs the TMO, then it should always be treated in doubt and the Laws should clearly state either way which team ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:53 amAren’t the refs meant to give benefit of the doubt to the attacking team as well?Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:01 am
Like I said, no complaints from me. I always think if you contributed significantly to the position, you deserve less sympathy for reffing vagaries. Dumorthier should have made it a non event by dealing with Graham. Instead, he positioned badly, ran the wrong line back (should have run the direct and blocking line) and should never have been forced off (he's a big lad).
PS for Blackmac, like I said at HT, if Sco actually played some structured rugby, they were still in the game. And I had Sco to win <5.
FWIW, I thought it was a knock on as well and that Darcy’s earlier one was more than a tiny knock on.
I dunno, I thought that had changed.Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:22 amDon't know about that. Pretty sure they're only meant to go back a couple of phases for anything that's not serious foul play though.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:43 amI don't think there is any such provision since the advent of the TMO? i.e. the ref makes his call and (like cricket) that's what stands unless there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Which is why the ref's call is so critical........... and I don't like it because most of the time it seems random! IMHO, if the ref needs the TMO, then it should always be treated in doubt and the Laws should clearly state either way which team ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt.