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Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:30 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:29 pm Itoje gets coached to stop, you're offside. Stops, but then tackles the scrum half from the offside position.
He got told he was fine and the ball had been lifted.

I got the ref bit wrong but your interpretation and the refs is wrong. He hurdles to an offside position well before it was lifted. He appears to realise, hold his hands up to acknowledge it and is clearly astonished to hear the ref.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm**

Ford needs to do what he did in the RWC & just accept he's playing with a bunch of vegetables, & start taking those drop goals again

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:41 pm**

Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:33 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:14 pm 6 penalties already, that is disgraceful
Only one side being reffed

You cannot be serious. They are getting away with murder at the breakdown. As usual Gatland has Wales well drilled in that respect.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:30 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:29 pm Itoje gets coached to stop, you're offside. Stops, but then tackles the scrum half from the offside position.
He got told he was fine and the ball had been lifted.
I got the ref bit wrong but your interpretation and the refs is wrong. He hurdles to an offside position well before it was lifted. He appears to realise, hold his hands up to acknowledge it and is clearly astonished to hear the ref.

If he's come through the gate he's not offside. He still can't play the 9 but he has every right to stand there.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:45 pm**

Looking at that Ford kick, the ref is talkng absolute crap.

Ford should just drop goal every place kick as a fuck you.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:46 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm Ford needs to do what he did in the RWC & just accept he's playing with a bunch of vegetables, & start taking those drop goals again

I think thats somewhat insulting to vegetables, replace vegetables with Tory politicians and it works better

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm**

The more you see it the Ford charge down is a joke. We really need to punt these refs when they are making ludicrous decisions like that. He's still involved in his set up not starting his run up.
Why do we have so many incompetents in charge of these matches.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm**

Dislike the stupid penalties. Even more annoyed with Roots on seeing the replay again since he was actually one of the players on the ball, he knew it was doing nothing and should have just let it go over the line.

However, overall, I'm not desperately upset with England overall. We're still attacking, our defence feels more organised than it was, though with issues still.

I do agree that midfield just isn't right.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:30 pm

He got told he was fine and the ball had been lifted.
I got the ref bit wrong but your interpretation and the refs is wrong. He hurdles to an offside position well before it was lifted. He appears to realise, hold his hands up to acknowledge it and is clearly astonished to hear the ref.
If he's come through the gate he's not offside. He still can't play the 9 but he has every right to stand there.

He can't jump over the ruck into a blatantly offside position.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm The more you see it the Ford charge down is a joke. We really need to punt these refs when they are making ludicrous decisions like that. He's still involved in his set up not starting his run up.
Why do we have so many incompetents in charge of these matches.

I had a giggle hearing Biggar saying ford shouldn't have bothered eating up the clock, like he would have just got in with it whilst his team had two yellows!

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm Dislike the stupid penalties. Even more annoyed with Roots on seeing the replay again since he was actually one of the players on the ball, he knew it was doing nothing and should have just let it go over the line.

However, overall, I'm not desperately upset with England overall. We're still attacking, our defence feels more organised than it was, though with issues still.

I do agree that midfield just isn't right.

We have a midfield!?

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:49 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm The more you see it the Ford charge down is a joke. We really need to punt these refs when they are making ludicrous decisions like that. He's still involved in his set up not starting his run up.
Why do we have so many incompetents in charge of these matches.

It's such an odd one. He's setting up, he's no idea they are even charging, because he's not anywhere near ready to approach the ball.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:49 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:47 pm Dislike the stupid penalties. Even more annoyed with Roots on seeing the replay again since he was actually one of the players on the ball, he knew it was doing nothing and should have just let it go over the line.

However, overall, I'm not desperately upset with England overall. We're still attacking, our defence feels more organised than it was, though with issues still.

I do agree that midfield just isn't right.

We just don't need slade or daly

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:49 pm**

Borthwick needs to do a complete reset or leave.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:50 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:40 pm

I got the ref bit wrong but your interpretation and the refs is wrong. He hurdles to an offside position well before it was lifted. He appears to realise, hold his hands up to acknowledge it and is clearly astonished to hear the ref.
If he's come through the gate he's not offside. He still can't play the 9 but he has every right to stand there.
He can't jump over the ruck into a blatantly offside position.

What ruck? Everyone was on the floor, is he to walk on top of them? He was legal, then he was careful to show he wasn't playing the nine whilst the ball was still in.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:51 pm**

No changes, we have to wait until the preplanned 53 minute substitions.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:51 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:50 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 pm

If he's come through the gate he's not offside. He still can't play the 9 but he has every right to stand there.
He can't jump over the ruck into a blatantly offside position.
What ruck? Everyone was on the floor, is he to walk on top of them? He was legal, then he was careful to show he wasn't playing the nine whilst the ball was still in.

Yeah, I've looked at it again. No ruck, my bad.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm**

Daly was never, ever getting in there.

But promising build up,

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm**

That was never on

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:55 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm Daly was never, ever getting in there.

But promising build up,

They just shifted the ball, never committed the tacklers, so they just drifted

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:55 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm Daly was never, ever getting in there.

But promising build up,

You would expect an experienced player to cut in.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:56 pm**

Did the ref not say the ball was available? Why then call scrum?

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:56 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:51 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:50 pm
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm

He can't jump over the ruck into a blatantly offside position.
What ruck? Everyone was on the floor, is he to walk on top of them? He was legal, then he was careful to show he wasn't playing the nine whilst the ball was still in.
Yeah, I've looked at it again. No ruck, my bad.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:57 pm**

Take the 3

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:58 pm**

petej wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:55 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm Daly was never, ever getting in there.

But promising build up,
You would expect an experienced player to cut in.

He certainly wasn't going to Shane Wiliams his way in...

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:00 pm**

Has Freeman touched the ball?

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:01 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:00 pm Has Freeman touched the ball?

Not in attack, no.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:02 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:00 pm Has Freeman touched the ball?

In attack he hasn't.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:02 pm**

England bring on the bum squad

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:03 pm**

Ctrl - Alt - Delete.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:03 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:02 pm England bring on the bum squad

Just the dynamism we need at this stage.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:03 pm**

How long is this taking.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:04 pm**

I've seen some bad English teams.... I'll leave it there.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:04 pm**

He's gonna penalise someone next time

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:06 pm**

Wales are so much more explosive.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:06 pm**

Unlucky from Dyer who has had a good game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:06 pm**

Daly and slade

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:07 pm**

Lovely break..

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:07 pm**

Rush defence

Posted: **Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:07 pm**

Blitz defence working like a charm. At least Freeman has the pace to get across.

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