NPR

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am decent over. 1 6 . 6 6 6

Hasan with 32 from 11

320/7

That seems a bit light, should've been over 350.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am decent over. 1 6 . 6 6 6

Hasan with 32 from 11

320/7

That seems a bit light, should've been over 350.

On cricinfo the Pakistan supporters seem to think 300 is plenty enough.

I suspect they're right.

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:20 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am decent over. 1 6 . 6 6 6

Hasan with 32 from 11

320/7

That seems a bit light, should've been over 350.

On cricinfo the Pakistan supporters seem to think 300 is plenty enough.

I suspect they're right.

Well what a surprise that you would back the opposition

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:46 pm

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:20 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am

On cricinfo the Pakistan supporters seem to think 300 is plenty enough.

I suspect they're right.

Well what a surprise that you would back the opposition

Give him more credit than that. It's a good double-play; if Pakistan lose, he gets to accuse those fans of arrogance. If they win, he gets to slate South Africa. It's a win-win for ol'Miseryguts.

Ahmad: "Pak needs to reassess the target. The way bowl is turning anything above 300 will do. just need to see through Maharaj last 2 overs."

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm IH has been a lot more negative than I.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:48 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm IH has been a lot more negative than I.

I'm playing the mockers FFS! This isn't my first rodeo. Manage expectations. Expect shit, be pleasantly surprised when we're within spitting distance of a win before actually fucking it up!

That should cover it.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Klaasen is no mug against spin.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Klaasen is no mug against spin.

Yours. Muppet

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Klaasen is no mug against spin.

Yours. Muppet

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:08 pm Lose again. Hendricks is officially the dumbest player to ever turn out for the Proteas.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:50 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

I know a couple of people who hold some bizarre grudge against Morgan for ditching Hales. Seemed like a sensible move to me. Guy can't be trusted.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:50 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

I know a couple of people who hold some bizarre grudge against Morgan for ditching Hales. Seemed like a sensible move to me. Guy can't be trusted.

I don't have a grudge against Morgan - but I do think that Hales should have the right to a proper process in determining the sanction for his misdemeanours - it shouldn't just come down to the opinion of one person when the ECB has it's own disciplinary processes. If his crime is worthy of a ban from the England team for 1, 2 or more years; then that should be the sanction decided on by the ECB, not just by the captain of the white ball team.

If Hales was also a test player, you could have the ridiculous situation where he'd be free to play test cricket for us, but be, effectively, banned from T20I/ODI cricket.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:16 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:50 pm

I know a couple of people who hold some bizarre grudge against Morgan for ditching Hales. Seemed like a sensible move to me. Guy can't be trusted.

I don't have a grudge against Morgan - but I do think that Hales should have the right to a proper process in determining the sanction for his misdemeanours - it shouldn't just come down to the opinion of one person when the ECB has it's own disciplinary processes. If his crime is worthy of a ban from the England team for 1, 2 or more years; then that should be the sanction decided on by the ECB, not just by the captain of the white ball team.

If Hales was also a test player, you could have the ridiculous situation where he'd be free to play test cricket for us, but be, effectively, banned from T20I/ODI cricket.

No-one has the right to play international cricket, though. It's not just that he's a cokehead, it's that the captain thinks he cannot be trusted because of how he fucked them over last time and lied about his actions. I think it's perfectly reasonable for an apparently toxic player to be excluded. Morgan does have a lot of power and in return he's provided massive success.

I realise my view on the KP situation is the complete opposite here, though I do think there's a big difference between a player being scapegoated for the failures of the team & captain and what's happened with Hales.

A lesser example would be someone like Cipriani. But I'm not sure there's an easy comparison to make with other sports, as a cricket captain has far more say in selection and tactics.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:50 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

I know a couple of people who hold some bizarre grudge against Morgan for ditching Hales. Seemed like a sensible move to me. Guy can't be trusted.

I don't have a grudge against Morgan - but I do think that Hales should have the right to a proper process in determining the sanction for his misdemeanours - it shouldn't just come down to the opinion of one person when the ECB has it's own disciplinary processes. If his crime is worthy of a ban from the England team for 1, 2 or more years; then that should be the sanction decided on by the ECB, not just by the captain of the white ball team.

If Hales was also a test player, you could have the ridiculous situation where he'd be free to play test cricket for us, but be, effectively, banned from T20I/ODI cricket.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:41 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:16 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am

I don't have a grudge against Morgan - but I do think that Hales should have the right to a proper process in determining the sanction for his misdemeanours - it shouldn't just come down to the opinion of one person when the ECB has it's own disciplinary processes. If his crime is worthy of a ban from the England team for 1, 2 or more years; then that should be the sanction decided on by the ECB, not just by the captain of the white ball team.

If Hales was also a test player, you could have the ridiculous situation where he'd be free to play test cricket for us, but be, effectively, banned from T20I/ODI cricket.

No-one has the right to play international cricket, though. It's not just that he's a cokehead, it's that the captain thinks he cannot be trusted because of how he fucked them over last time and lied about his actions. I think it's perfectly reasonable for an apparently toxic player to be excluded. Morgan does have a lot of power and in return he's provided massive success.

I realise my view on the KP situation is the complete opposite here, though I do think there's a big difference between a player being scapegoated for the failures of the team & captain and what's happened with Hales.

A lesser example would be someone like Cipriani. But I'm not sure there's an easy comparison to make with other sports, as a cricket captain has far more say in selection and tactics.

I don't have any problem with Hales being sanctioned for what he has done, even if that sanction is deemed to be a life ban from the England team - I just don't think that one guy should have such total power to impose sanctions far beyond what the ECB have agreed to. It won't be for much longer though. I can't see Morgs going on past the T20 WC. His recent form would have seen him dropped were he not the skipper - probably for Hales

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:53 pm Take this with as much salt as you please, but by all account Alex Hales has failed another drugs test and is looking at a hefty ban

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:15 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:41 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:16 am

No-one has the right to play international cricket, though. It's not just that he's a cokehead, it's that the captain thinks he cannot be trusted because of how he fucked them over last time and lied about his actions. I think it's perfectly reasonable for an apparently toxic player to be excluded. Morgan does have a lot of power and in return he's provided massive success.

I realise my view on the KP situation is the complete opposite here, though I do think there's a big difference between a player being scapegoated for the failures of the team & captain and what's happened with Hales.

A lesser example would be someone like Cipriani. But I'm not sure there's an easy comparison to make with other sports, as a cricket captain has far more say in selection and tactics.

I don't have any problem with Hales being sanctioned for what he has done, even if that sanction is deemed to be a life ban from the England team - I just don't think that one guy should have such total power to impose sanctions far beyond what the ECB have agreed to. It won't be for much longer though. I can't see Morgs going on past the T20 WC. His recent form would have seen him dropped were he not the skipper - probably for Hales

His form's definitely not been drop-worthy. One poor series for an established player doesn't worry anyone, really. Late last year he was still doing excellent things with the bat, and he's a phenomenal captain. Happily we're past the days where a short drop in form sees you ditched.

I just don't see the captain making a selection decision against someone as being "sanctioned". Hales only has himself to blame. Especially as Morgan was happy for rumours to start about Hales being given another chance if he could hold it together this year.

I've found a good comparison, though: Dean Richards. Deano is never going to get the England job, because of Bloodgate. Everyone knows that, even though it's not been publicly stated and it's not part of his official punishment. Now, plenty of people think he's served his time and deserves to be treated with a clean slate. I can't imagine they'd think the same if he was a recidivist, though.