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Great game for the neutral, certainly helped obscure the memory of the spackerfest that took place in Cardiff yesterday.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:04 pm Great game for the neutral, certainly helped obscure the memory of the spackerfest that took place in Cardiff yesterday.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:04 pm Great game for the neutral, certainly helped obscure the memory of the spackerfest that took place in Cardiff yesterday.

Well, I guess at least we get to be part of the good game.

Enjoyed the game. Well played Scotland, you dominated that game but France have that ability to score when they decide to accelerate.

Congrats our French board members.

Did anyone catch Ben Whitehouse's face when it looked like the ref wasn't going to give the French red. A complete WTF moment.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:26 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:04 pm Great game for the neutral, certainly helped obscure the memory of the spackerfest that took place in Cardiff yesterday.

Well, I guess at least we get to be part of the good game.

Yes unlucky Jocks.
I predict you will be better than Wales for a good few years.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:29 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:50 am The game of the 6N for me is now Italy v Wales.

Admittedly writing this one handed, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say Wales are going to Rome as underdogs

I’ll always support the underdog but in this case I’ll make an exception.

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:29 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:50 am The game of the 6N for me is now Italy v Wales.

Admittedly writing this one handed, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say Wales are going to Rome as underdogs

I’ll always support the underdog but in this case I’ll make an exception.

Absolutely, surely Italy have never notched back-to-back wins against any of the 6N teams - would be a massive step forward for them in their history if they can do it

Joost wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:51 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:29 pm

Admittedly writing this one handed, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say Wales are going to Rome as underdogs

I’ll always support the underdog but in this case I’ll make an exception.

Absolutely, surely Italy have never notched back-to-back wins against any of the 6N teams - would be a massive step forward for them in their history if they can do it

Italy beat Scotland in 2007 and 2008. Although we beat them at the RWC in between those two.

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:29 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:50 am The game of the 6N for me is now Italy v Wales.

Admittedly writing this one handed, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say Wales are going to Rome as underdogs

I’ll always support the underdog but in this case I’ll make an exception.

Stfu you dog faced bisexual.



Tbh I think we will lose by a lot

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:01 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:29 pm

Admittedly writing this one handed, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say Wales are going to Rome as underdogs

I’ll always support the underdog but in this case I’ll make an exception.

Stfu you dog faced bisexual.



Tbh I think we will lose by a lot

Fair

News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:29 pm News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

Care to spill the beans

mos_eisely_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:32 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:29 pm News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

Care to spill the beans

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:29 pm News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

You can’t leave us hanging in suspense. What’s a “post March contract”?

Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

No that was for the HIA.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

Tattie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:59 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He was clearly trying to get the player to go off but the guy refused to go. So he went and spoke to the ref. Good work from him imo.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:06 pm

Tattie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:59 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He was clearly trying to get the player to go off but the guy refused to go. So he went and spoke to the ref. Good work from him imo.

Yeah I thought so too. Still amazed that White didn’t have to go off for a HIA after getting a sledgehammer to the noggin.

Tattie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:59 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

I think he was just insisting that Jelonch had to go for an HIA because Jelonch was refusing to go. At the same time a replay of the tackle was shown on the big screen in the stadium and it was that rather than the medic that the ref responded to.

TBF the video ref should have picked it up and alerted the ref to it.

laurent wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:58 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

No that was for the HIA.

Nah. He was gesticulating an HIA to begin with but the player ignored him 3 times and joined the lineout. He then went and stood next to the ref to stop play starting whilst pointing to his head - he was playing for time and stopping play restarting so the head hit could be reviewed.

As I say, zero problems with the red, but the doc deliberately stopped the game to get it reviewed and that’s not on

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Tattie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:59 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

I think he was just insisting that Jelonch had to go for an HIA because Jelonch was refusing to go. At the same time a replay of the tackle was shown on the big screen in the stadium and it was that rather than the medic that the ref responded to.

TBF the video ref should have picked it up and alerted the rev to it.

I don’t agree, I think it was deliberate to slow down play. The ref asked him to leave a couple of times and he stayed on the pitch to stop play starting

The doctor said something to Jelonch who ignored him to take his position in the lineout, and in fairness he did ensure that he left the field for the HIA. Doesn't mean he didn't have two things in mind but he did get a player who'd had a severe head contact and wasn't going to go off without intervention to go off.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:29 pm News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

You can’t leave us hanging in suspense. What’s a “post March contract”?

My friends sauce at the WRU.
Will let you know if I hear any more

The lad got smashed in the face by 2 Scots, for the 2nd time in 10mins. I think any reasonable medic would be concerned for the player's welfare over the rules of the game, especially given that he stayed down after the 2nd time.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:22 pm The doctor said something to Jelonch who ignored him to take his position in the lineout, and in fairness he did ensure that he left the field for the HIA. Doesn't mean he didn't have two things in mind but he did get a player who'd had a severe head contact and wasn't going to go off without intervention to go off.

Player safety is paramount.
Medical staff should stop players playing if they fear the worst.

The doc was calling for a HIA for nearly a minute.
Jelonch ignored him and joined the line-out, and the ref never saw it.

The doc did the right thing by alerting the ref, whatever side points you can make. Docs quite often call for HIAs without the ref reviewing what may have caused it.

The Scottish docs should ask themselves why the scrumhalf didn't go for a HIA after the headbutt.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:22 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:29 pm News I am hearing about Gats post March contract is errr interesting

You can’t leave us hanging in suspense. What’s a “post March contract”?

My friends sauce at the WRU.
Will let you know if I hear any more

I’m assuming he had performance clauses built in to his contract based on 6N results.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:22 pm The doctor said something to Jelonch who ignored him to take his position in the lineout, and in fairness he did ensure that he left the field for the HIA. Doesn't mean he didn't have two things in mind but he did get a player who'd had a severe head contact and wasn't going to go off without intervention to go off.

Don’t disagree with any of that, but it wasn’t in his remit to stay on the pitch and stop play after the ref had told him to leave

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:26 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:22 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:45 pm

You can’t leave us hanging in suspense. What’s a “post March contract”?

My friends sauce at the WRU.
Will let you know if I hear any more

I’m assuming he had performance clauses built in to his contract based on 6N results.

Not sure. But my friends sauce is usually reliable

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:24 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:22 pm The doctor said something to Jelonch who ignored him to take his position in the lineout, and in fairness he did ensure that he left the field for the HIA. Doesn't mean he didn't have two things in mind but he did get a player who'd had a severe head contact and wasn't going to go off without intervention to go off.

Player safety is paramount.
Medical staff should stop players playing if they fear the worst.

Well that’s a lovely sentiment if you are happy with doctors determining if play can carry on or not. He made his point, the player ignored him, the ref asked him to leave, and he refused. Where does that end?

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:11 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Tattie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:59 pm

It looked at the time that he stopped the game as he was insisting to the ref that Jelonch went off for a HIA after he joined the line out. Perhaps he was doing both?

I think he was just insisting that Jelonch had to go for an HIA because Jelonch was refusing to go. At the same time a replay of the tackle was shown on the big screen in the stadium and it was that rather than the medic that the ref responded to.

TBF the video ref should have picked it up and alerted the rev to it.

I don’t agree, I think it was deliberate to slow down play. The ref asked him to leave a couple of times and he stayed on the pitch to stop play starting

If you genuinely think that, perhaps you could explain how the medic was able to coordinate his request for Jelonch to leave the field with the tv director’s replay of the incident? Do you think the medics have a complex system of secret signals which are understood by the tv director, or perhaps you think they’ve got their own microphone link?

Or perhaps it was just a coincidence and the medic was doing his job in insisting that Jelonch had an HIA.

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:30 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:11 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:09 pm

I think he was just insisting that Jelonch had to go for an HIA because Jelonch was refusing to go. At the same time a replay of the tackle was shown on the big screen in the stadium and it was that rather than the medic that the ref responded to.

TBF the video ref should have picked it up and alerted the rev to it.

I don’t agree, I think it was deliberate to slow down play. The ref asked him to leave a couple of times and he stayed on the pitch to stop play starting

If you genuinely think that, perhaps you could explain how the medic was able to coordinate his request for Jelonch to leave the field with the tv director’s replay of the incident? Do you think the medics have a complex system of secret signals which are understood by the tv director, or perhaps you think they’ve got their own microphone link?

Or perhaps it was just a coincidence and the medic was doing his job in insisting that Jelonch had an HIA.

No idea what your point is here.

He held up play and repeatedly asked the ref to look again at the incident.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:33 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:30 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:11 pm

I don’t agree, I think it was deliberate to slow down play. The ref asked him to leave a couple of times and he stayed on the pitch to stop play starting

If you genuinely think that, perhaps you could explain how the medic was able to coordinate his request for Jelonch to leave the field with the tv director’s replay of the incident? Do you think the medics have a complex system of secret signals which are understood by the tv director, or perhaps you think they’ve got their own microphone link?

Or perhaps it was just a coincidence and the medic was doing his job in insisting that Jelonch had an HIA.

No idea what your point is here.

He held up play and repeatedly asked the ref to look again at the incident.

No he didn’t. He asked the ref to make sure Jelonch had an HIA.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:33 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:30 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:11 pm

I don’t agree, I think it was deliberate to slow down play. The ref asked him to leave a couple of times and he stayed on the pitch to stop play starting

If you genuinely think that, perhaps you could explain how the medic was able to coordinate his request for Jelonch to leave the field with the tv director’s replay of the incident? Do you think the medics have a complex system of secret signals which are understood by the tv director, or perhaps you think they’ve got their own microphone link?

Or perhaps it was just a coincidence and the medic was doing his job in insisting that Jelonch had an HIA.

No idea what your point is here.

He held up play and repeatedly asked the ref to look again at the incident.

My take was he was trying to make sure the ref insisted Jelonch went off, as he was just ignoring the doctor. I get the point about the ref's authority, but can a reasonable doctor really just walk off if he has genuine suspicions that a player is showing signs of a head injury? That it could well have led to a red seemed more a happy bonus than his main motivation to me.

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:37 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:33 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:30 pm

If you genuinely think that, perhaps you could explain how the medic was able to coordinate his request for Jelonch to leave the field with the tv director’s replay of the incident? Do you think the medics have a complex system of secret signals which are understood by the tv director, or perhaps you think they’ve got their own microphone link?

Or perhaps it was just a coincidence and the medic was doing his job in insisting that Jelonch had an HIA.

No idea what your point is here.

He held up play and repeatedly asked the ref to look again at the incident.

No he didn’t. He asked the ref to make sure Jelonch had an HIA.

Again, no.

He signaled to the ref that Jelonch has hurt his head. Jelonch ignored the doc twice, the doc then signalled to the ref again. The ref went to the doc, had a quick word, signalled to his team on the touch line then asked the doc to leave. The ref then ran to the back on the line out at the doc walked towards him pointing at his head them looking up at the big screen. Ref couldn’t restart the game and again asked the doc to leave the pitch at the back of the line out with the doc still pointing to his head and the screen. At this point the ref obviously got a signal to have a look.

Not for a second saying it wasn’t a red. I do think there is a fair chance play goes on and it’s forgotten about if play was allowed to continue and it’s not in the docs remit to have a say in that

salanya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:25 pm The doc was calling for a HIA for nearly a minute.
Jelonch ignored him and joined the line-out, and the ref never saw it.

The doc did the right thing by alerting the ref, whatever side points you can make. Docs quite often call for HIAs without the ref reviewing what may have caused it.

The Scottish docs should ask themselves why the scrumhalf didn't go for a HIA after the headbutt.

James Robson is one of the most respected rugby docs in the world, and is prominent in the safety campaigns. If he didn’t think there was a need for an HIA then I’m absolutely fine with that.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:09 pm

laurent wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:58 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:55 pm Prepared to be wrong on this, but watching the game at the club, did the French physio/doc manage to stop the game and insist the ref team look at the Gilchrist red?

It was a red, no doubt, but what the fuck was that all about? Almost a bit disappointed that Ritchie didn’t lose his shit with the ref about it, seemed an utterly outrageous intervention

No that was for the HIA.

Nah. He was gesticulating an HIA to begin with but the player ignored him 3 times and joined the lineout. He then went and stood next to the ref to stop play starting whilst pointing to his head - he was playing for time and stopping play restarting so the head hit could be reviewed.

As I say, zero problems with the red, but the doc deliberately stopped the game to get it reviewed and that’s not on

Believe what you'd like to believe. I do not understand why the ref did not send Jelonch out for an HIA immediately when the doc asked for it.

What is weird is that the doc had to insist 3 times for the ref to pay attention.