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Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:45 am
Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:36 am Image

But remember folks it's the "unelected bureaucrats" of the EU that were the problem...
House of Lords are a disgrace to democracy. Their interference in the brexit process was disgusting.

Hopefully Boris starts the process.
If you ever watch the HL debates, they cast considerably more light on bills passing through Parliament than those in the Commons.

Not a high bar, admittedly but there are a handful of HL members who actually read and understand the Bills.

Democracy can often get in the way of sensible, effective governance.
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If Conservatives care about the ministerial code, at least 11 cabinet members should resign

Boris Johnson (prime minister)

Section 1.3.c of the ministerial code
“It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity.”
Johnson has repeatedly lied in the House since becoming prime minister. For this particular case, we shall use this example from Byline Times:
29 January 2020: Boris Johnson said at prime minister’s questions, “The SNP has not had a debate in its parliament on education for two years”.
Since 29 January 2018, there have been six debates on motions about schools, two members’ business debates, and four statements by ministers followed by questions.
The fact-checking organisation, Full Fact, contacted Downing Street to ask for clarification, but did not receive a response.

Rishi Sunak (chancellor of the exchequer)

In November, the government ethics watchdog was asked to investigate Sunak for breaking the ministerial code. The violation in question involved not declaring his wife’s portfolio in the ministerial register. This is not a confirmed violation of the code, but there are plenty of other examples we can use.
Section 1.3.h of the ministerial code
“Ministers in the House of Commons must keep separate their roles as Minister and constituency Member.”
However, as Jane Thomas, Andy Brown and Stella Perrott have written for Yorkshire Bylines, Sunak has been brazenly playing pork-barrel politics with the levelling-up fund. The algorithm devised by Sunak has put his own wealthy constituency of Richmond as a top-priority seat, as opposed to places like Barnsley and Sheffield, which have much higher poverty rates.

Priti Patel (home secretary)

Section 1.2 of the ministerial code
“Harassing, bullying or other inappropriate or discriminating behaviour wherever it takes place is not consistent with the Ministerial Code and will not be tolerated.”
Accounts of Patel’s bullying are an open secret in Westminster. After the resignation of Sir Philip Rutnam, an inquiry into Patel revealed that she had broken the ministerial code, although it has not yet been published.

Michael Gove (chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster)

Section 1.3.d of the ministerial code
“Ministers should be as open as possible with Parliament and the public, refusing to provide information only when disclosure would not be in the public interest, which should be decided in accordance with the relevant statutes and the Freedom of Information Act 2000.”
However, Gove has been running a secretive ‘clearing house’ operation within the Cabinet Office, attempting to suppress freedom of information requests wherever possible. This clearing house has tried to avoid releasing information about events such as the contamination of NHS blood banks with HIV-positive samples. Gove is hardly being as open as possible.

Matt Hancock (secretary of state for health and social care)

Hancock has broken the ministerial code several times, particularly during the coronavirus pandemic. For this we shall stick to our good friend section 1.3.c on honesty, citing this example of dishonesty from Byline Times
On 2 November 2020, Hancock said in the House of Commons, “In April, on schedule, we delivered the target of 100,000 tests a day”.
This figure is misleading.
According to Full Fact, “of the 122,347 tests that the Government has said were completed on April 30, 27,497 are home tests and 12,872 were sent out to satellite sites. This suggests that just 81,978 of the tests were actually processed”.

Robert Jenrick (secretary of state for housing, communities, and local government)

Section 1.3.f comes up again for Robert Jenrick.
“Ministers must ensure that no conflict arises, or appears to arise, between their public duties and their private interests”.
In June 2020, Jenrick granted planning permission for a £1bn property development by Conservative donor Richard Desmond. In overruling a local planning inspector, Jenrick saved Desmond £40m, which he would have had to pay in community levies, which are used to improve local infrastructure.
Jenrick helped a Conservative donor avoid paying tax that would have gone directly to local communities. This is a clear case of conflict of interests.

Alister Jack (secretary of state for Scotland)

Section 1.3.i of the ministerial code
“Ministers must not use government resources for Party political purposes”.
However, Alister Jack used the gov.uk website to promote a Daily Mail article he’d written. The article both praised Douglass Ross, and criticised the SNP government, and was thus blatantly party political.
These ministers broke the ministerial code during previous administrations

Dominic Raab (foreign secretary)

As Theresa May’s Brexit secretary in 2018, Raab refused to give evidence to parliament on Brexit negotiations. This broke the ministerial code, which requires transparency to parliament on such matters.

Grant Shapps (secretary of state for transport)

In 2015, it was revealed that Shapps had been employed under a fake name as a web designer. This falls foul of several aspects of the ministerial code, both failing to disclose his full set of interests, and coming under suspicion of conflict of interest due to this obstruction.

Gavin Williamson (secretary of state for education)

When secretary of state for defence, Gavin Williamson allegedly broke the ministerial code in leaking details of Huawei in the UK’s 5G infrastructure.

Liz Truss (secretary of state for international trade)

Section 1.3 of the ministerial code
“The Ministerial Code should be read against the background of the overarching duty on Ministers to comply with the law and to protect the integrity of public life”.
Back in 2019, Truss approved a shipment of arms to Saudi Arabia, which could be used in the war in Yemen. The shipment breached an order by the Court of Appeals, and Truss admitted that she had acted unlawfully.
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UK PM Johnson praises capitalism and greed for vaccination successes.

"The reason we have the vaccine success is because of capitalism, because of greed my friends," The Sun newspaper quoted him as saying during a meeting with Conservative lawmakers to rally them to support coronavirus restrictions.

The Sun reported that he later added: "Actually I regret saying it" and that he asked lawmakers repeatedly to "forget I said that". An unidentified source told The Sun that he was not discussing the row with the EU.

Johnson's Downing Street office declined an immediate comment when contacted by Reuters.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/439085 ... -successes
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shereblue wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:13 pm
Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:45 am
Insane_Homer wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:36 am Image

But remember folks it's the "unelected bureaucrats" of the EU that were the problem...
House of Lords are a disgrace to democracy. Their interference in the brexit process was disgusting.

Hopefully Boris starts the process.
If you ever watch the HL debates, they cast considerably more light on bills passing through Parliament than those in the Commons.

Not a high bar, admittedly but there are a handful of HL members who actually read and understand the Bills.

Democracy can often get in the way of sensible, effective governance.
There is a benefit to having a second house which is not the same as the first, in order to be able to take advantage of different skills and experiences across society, and examine bills in detail. However, the right way to do it is not with hereditary members, lifetime appointments and the use of places as rewards for donors.

A much more sensible approach would be to have a mixed house, part elected, part appointed, the appointments not all made by government but by broader society; industry, charities, universities, unions and professional organisations, other political parties, and potentially a number of citizens selected by lottery. Although I’m not entirely convinced on the last one. Fixed term appointments, which are longer than the normal election cycle, and you can only serve one or two terms depending on how long it is.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:45 am House of Lords are a disgrace to democracy. Their interference in the brexit process was disgusting.

Hopefully Boris starts the process.
Boris who appointed his own brother to the Lords? That Boris?
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sturginho wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:03 am
Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:45 am House of Lords are a disgrace to democracy. Their interference in the brexit process was disgusting.

Hopefully Boris starts the process.
Boris who appointed his own brother to the Lords? That Boris?
Have a heart - He needed something to do apart from cleaning out the holiday house in Greece!
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dpedin wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:19 am
sturginho wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:03 am
Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:45 am House of Lords are a disgrace to democracy. Their interference in the brexit process was disgusting.

Hopefully Boris starts the process.
Boris who appointed his own brother to the Lords? That Boris?
Have a heart - He needed something to do apart from cleaning out the holiday house in Greece!
No, that's daddy's job
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Any love for Vicky Ford who stated this morning that she was doing all the food for kids stuff anyway and Marcus Rashford was just backing them all up with his media campaign.

Didn’t mention she voted against it bill initially though.
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ScarfaceClaw wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:22 pm Any love for Vicky Ford who stated this morning that she was doing all the food for kids stuff anyway and Marcus Rashford was just backing them all up with his media campaign.

Didn’t mention she voted against it bill initially though.
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:59 am
He only just managed to keep a straight face as he spoke!!!
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:14 pm Image Image
WTF is that all about? :???:
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SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:41 pm
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WTF is that all about? :???:
Some people on Twitter are trying to claim this is expenditure on Priti Patel’s Home Office credit card, but this appears to be untrue. It actually appears to be some of the stranger items purchased with procurement cards across the whole of the Home Office, as revealed by an FOI request.
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Can we at the very least provide some sources for the random internet shit that gets posted
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Lobby wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:55 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:41 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:14 pm Image Image
WTF is that all about? :???:
Some people on Twitter are trying to claim this is expenditure on Priti Patel’s Home Office credit card, but this appears to be untrue. It actually appears to be some of the stranger items purchased with procurement cards across the whole of the Home Office, as revealed by an FOI request.
Some bloody odd things being paid for with tax payers money if correct!!
The Magdalen Arms is a bloody good restaurant. Must have been a fair few in the party to spend £900 mind
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£77,000 on eyebrows? :eh:
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Never mind eyebrows, how the fuck do you spend five grand in Primark?
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:04 pm Never mind eyebrows, how the fuck do you spend five grand in Primark?
they probably bought the entire branch :wink:
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:04 pm Never mind eyebrows, how the fuck do you spend five grand in Primark?
A year supply of y-fronts for Boris?
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Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:17 pm £77,000 on eyebrows? :eh:
Actually over a £100k to the one company; as there are two debits mentioned; but they do mention that the company supposedly sells PPE ... which just begs the question, wtf was the Home Office buying 100k worth of PPE from a beautician ?
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fishfoodie wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:12 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:17 pm £77,000 on eyebrows? :eh:
Actually over a £100k to the one company; as there are two debits mentioned; but they do mention that the company supposedly sells PPE ... which just begs the question, wtf was the Home Office buying 100k worth of PPE from a beautician ?
They looked nice tbf..
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Nobody going to mention the Albanian electronics store?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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fishfoodie wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:24 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:04 pm Never mind eyebrows, how the fuck do you spend five grand in Primark?
they probably bought the entire branch :wink:
Apparently the £5k in Primark was spent on new clothes for refugees.
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So the police in Bristol (who lived about the broken bones and punctured lungs of officers) are again beating up protestors and now journalists again. Hmm!
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Police brutality and lying. I would never have believed it, I mean, what precedents are there?
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:20 pm Police brutality and lying. I would never have believed it, I mean, what precedents are there?
I thought this was the Tory Scum thread?
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I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am So the police in Bristol (who lived about the broken bones and punctured lungs of officers) are again beating up protestors and now journalists again. Hmm!
I read about the 2008 Kingsnorth power station protests yesterday. Police were aggressive, and claimed 70 officers had been injured as a result.

Of course, what actually happened was there were 12 reportable injuries, 4 of which involved contact with protestors and none were serious enough for any action to be taken. The rest were things like... insect bites, heat exhaustion, finger cuts, the runs, headaches, and "lower back pain after using a leg to open a door".

They lie like breathing.
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I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:05 am So the police in Bristol (who lived about the broken bones and punctured lungs of officers) are again beating up protestors and now journalists again. Hmm!
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Biffer wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:35 am Nobody going to mention the Albanian electronics store?
That’s the odd one in there. The exact same value to the penny twice.
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His colleague in Belmarsh would be so proud.
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I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:57 pm

His colleague in Belmarsh would be so proud.
She should have worn a mask.
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SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:36 am Cameron's judgement still woeful. Though I'm sure he received a whacking great "consultancy" fee.
The Financial Times reports that people familiar with the matter have claimed former UK prime minister David Cameron, who became an advisor to Greensill Capital in 2018, urged his former colleagues to increase the financial services company’s access to state-backed emergency Covid loan schemes.
It came just months before the firm collapsed – filing for insolvency this month – and leaving the taxpayer potentially liable for any losses.
FT, Times and S Times well into this story over the weekend with Cameron laying very low indeed! All links behind paywalls.....sorry!!
The Times’ Steve Swinford says David Cameron told friends he stood to make $60 million from the listing of the Greensill firm at the center of his murky lobbying scandal. The Sunday Times’ Gabriel Pogrund had the definitive read on everything you need to know about Cameron and the “toxic banker” Lex Greensill. The FT’s Jim Pickard and co have been on the case for weeks. Perhaps the PM or Whitty can clarify at tonight’s presser when exactly journalists are allowed to doorstep Dave until he starts giving some answers on all this.
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So the blonde that gave Boris "IT lessons" must be short of dosh?
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SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:12 am So the blonde that gave Boris "IT lessons" must be short of dosh?
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So did he lie to the inquiry into the conflict-of-interest in bringing his bit on the side, on a trade trip; or did the inquiry reach the wrong conclusion ?

I'm stuck to think of any alternative to these two options ?
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:00 am
SaintK wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:12 am So the blonde that gave Boris "IT lessons" must be short of dosh?
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So did he lie to the inquiry into the conflict-of-interest in bringing his bit on the side, on a trade trip; or did the inquiry reach the wrong conclusion ?

I'm stuck to think of any alternative to these two options ?
She looks like a right bunny-boiler.
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She's a full-on trumpalo who was one those convinced that despite losing the election, Trump would be the one being inaugurated. She even took a swipe at Boris on Twitter for congratulating Biden on his win.
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:15 am She's a full-on trumpalo who was one those convinced that despite losing the election, Trump would be the one being inaugurated. She even took a swipe at Boris on Twitter for congratulating Biden on his win.
I thought she had admitted to the affair over a year ago. As far as I can see the only 'world exclusive' for the Mirror, is that she has now provided more salacious detail, but the central point that she had an affair with Boris while he was Mayor has been known for some time.
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Lobby wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:33 am
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:15 am She's a full-on trumpalo who was one those convinced that despite losing the election, Trump would be the one being inaugurated. She even took a swipe at Boris on Twitter for congratulating Biden on his win.
I thought she had admitted to the affair over a year ago. As far as I can see the only 'world exclusive' for the Mirror, is that she has now provided more salacious detail, but the central point that she had an affair with Boris while he was Mayor has been known for some time.
Not sure if it was on the record, and certainly not with any detail.

The question is whether Boris lied about it when being investigated for flinging money and contracts at his mistress.
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