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Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:13 pm Ashman – very quick around the park, good hands and scores tries- Johnny Matthews very quick around the park, good hands and scores loads more tries - didn't cost as much either

Skinner - a grunt player from Exeter's league and European Cup winning side, Frankly what he did at Exeter is pretty much irrelevant , and to be perfectly honest its not a though he's pulling up trees at Edinburgh- If he's playing in the back row , would I swap him for Fagerson / Sione - no way

Healy - a player who some think of as a good boot, but his hard flat pass, overall distribution and decision making to go with or against the grain has been on show to good effect in an underperforming Edinburgh team
Again , would I have him over Jordan - nope I think Jordans style of play suits Glasgow better than Healy's - plus as Jordan is not SQ (yet) we don't lose him during Internationals- didn't cost as much either - TJ is much more abrasive , and when you have Stafford next to you , the kicking is much less of an issue

Duhan - a player that even the World Cup wining Boks have admitted that he's one that got away.
I hate to say it , but although Duhan can perform magic , that very few others can , it comes at a price - He's a bit a show pony - I would take Steyn over Duhan on a wet night in Galway - What Duhan does in a Scotland shirt is irrelevant to Edinburgh - Steyn can pass a ball , and his link play is in another world , in bringing in other players , which is Glasgows offloading style - Steyn for me


Any of them would fit into any side, let alone Glasgow. Ashman is the one with ground to make up but he's young.

Its all of a bit of a moot point anyway as they are all at Edinburgh - but thanks your all right , happy to stick with what we have got


Anyway, the "Edinburgh need him more than Glasgow" can certainly be applied to Redpath, which is what started this.

Oh , I'm sure what Edinburgh wants Edinburgh will get - Its the SRU's way

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:25 pm the weeg paranoia is strong with this one.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

No, no, no. Listen to the weegies, they’ll tell you. It’s obvious there’s a conspiracy at the SRU to make Glasgow fail at the expense of Edinburgh, we always get the first choice at any players whether from the academy or from overseas and our wage bill is double theirs.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm ohhh a bit of inter club rivalry, haven't had this for a while!

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:37 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

No, no, no. Listen to the weegies, they’ll tell you. It’s obvious there’s a conspiracy at the SRU to make Glasgow fail at the expense of Edinburgh, we always get the first choice at any players whether from the academy or from overseas and our wage bill is double theirs.

They've also had a settled home ground for over ten years, and although it's far from perfect they've got a pretty good record there and the volume of the booing is legendary across all the URC teams

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:55 am

If your going to class Jordon as in IC , and Styn as an OC , we might as well class Johnny Matthews as a winger ( he will score more tries that the Edinburgh Wingers combined )

Ha! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

In a sport where hookers score lot of tries off the maul Mathews is prolific right enough, over thirty tries I think so far, but you'd be better off saying that he scores more than the Glasgow wingers combined, he's not scored more than van der Merwe and Graham.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 amHa! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:33 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:55 am

If your going to class Jordon as in IC , and Styn as an OC , we might as well class Johnny Matthews as a winger ( he will score more tries that the Edinburgh Wingers combined )

Ha! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

In a sport where hookers score lot of tries off the maul Mathews is prolific right enough, over thirty tries I think so far, but you'd be better off saying that he scores more than the Glasgow wingers combined, he's not scored more than van der Merwe and Graham.

Depends on your timescale I guess. In the calendar year 2023, Johnny Matthews has scored 18 tries for Glasgow in 867 minutes played. Across the same period, Darcy Graham and Duhan van der Merwe have a combined total of 4 tries scored for Edinburgh in 800 minutes played.

If you add in all players who have played wing for Edinburgh you get to 6 tries in 2023.

If you add in all backs for all 16 games that Edinburgh have played so far in 2023, you get to 19 tries - 1 more than Johnny but from a combined 8,900 or so minutes of game time.

Glasgow's wings have scored 24 tries in 2023.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:42 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 amHa! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

TJ was a stand off in NZ, converted to IC at Ayr, then back to 10 at Glasgow.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:45 pm

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:33 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 am


Ha! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

In a sport where hookers score lot of tries off the maul Mathews is prolific right enough, over thirty tries I think so far, but you'd be better off saying that he scores more than the Glasgow wingers combined, he's not scored more than van der Merwe and Graham.

Depends on your timescale I guess. In the calendar year 2023, Johnny Matthews has scored 18 tries for Glasgow in 867 minutes played. Across the same period, Darcy Graham and Duhan van der Merwe have a combined total of 4 tries scored for Edinburgh in 800 minutes played.

If you add in all players who have played wing for Edinburgh you get to 6 tries in 2023.

If you add in all backs for all 16 games that Edinburgh have played so far in 2023, you get to 19 tries - 1 more than Johnny but from a combined 8,900 or so minutes of game time.

Glasgow's wings have scored 24 tries in 2023.

Ha!, Excellent spreadsheeting.

We can all take our start and end dates to suit our points, if we do "all time "then both Darcy and Duhan have each scored more tries for Edinburgh than Mathews has for Glasgow, let alone combined.

As I already said, in a sport where hookers score a lot from mauls, Mathews has been phenomenal, didn't he get five in one game?

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:06 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:45 pm

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:33 pm
Depends on your timescale I guess. In the calendar year 2023, Johnny Matthews has scored 18 tries for Glasgow in 867 minutes played. Across the same period, Darcy Graham and Duhan van der Merwe have a combined total of 4 tries scored for Edinburgh in 800 minutes played.

If you add in all players who have played wing for Edinburgh you get to 6 tries in 2023.

If you add in all backs for all 16 games that Edinburgh have played so far in 2023, you get to 19 tries - 1 more than Johnny but from a combined 8,900 or so minutes of game time.

Glasgow's wings have scored 24 tries in 2023.

Ha!, Excellent spreadsheeting.

We can all take our start and end dates to suit our points, if we do "all time "then both Darcy and Duhan have each scored more tries for Edinburgh than Mathews has for Glasgow, let alone combined.

As I already said, in a sport where hookers score a lot from mauls, Mathews has been phenomenal, didn't he get five in one game?

Always got to pick the right timescale! The last 12 months is really when Matthews has gone from prolific to completely ridiculous though so makes for an interesting illustration. Also there's a bit of a point there that Edinburgh aren't getting their money's worth out of Duhan - although Scotland certainly are.

Darcy and Duhan both have more tries than Johnny but that's purely down to having played a lot more.

Duhan has 35 tries in 6,104 minutes for Edinburgh (try every 174 mins).
Darcy has 34 tries in 4,412 minutes for Edinburgh (try every 130 mins).
Johnny has 31 tries in 1,866 minutes for Glasgow (try every 60 mins).

Even with the trend for hookers scoring far more regularly than ever before, Matthews' try stats are genuinely freakish.
Duhan

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:15 am Glasgow’s excellent maul has put Mathews on the top of the URC try scoring list with 7 this season (plus a great dash down the wing). Interestingly he’s one of two hookers in that top ten, the other being Stewart from Ulster on 4, Ashman isn’t quite in the top ten, he has 3 tries.

Otoh, and in a shift for Edinburgh, Ben Healy is the top goal kicker and overall top points scorer.

Edinburgh have not been playing well, they’ve slowly been improving each game this season, in fact some of the rugby played in the first half against Benetton was the best on show from anyone since the start of the new term. However that old fragility is still very much there and it all went runny very quickly.

Edinburgh are the most frustrating team to support, there is a good squad there and okay it’s a new coach and a new regime, but the old failings are still there, playing for 80 minutes seems to be a problem for them. It looked promising with late wins away to Dragons and then at home to Connacht, but it was back to square one last week.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:30 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:15 am Glasgow’s excellent maul has put Mathews on the top of the URC try scoring list with 7 this season (plus a great dash down the wing). Interestingly he’s one of two hookers in that top ten, the other being Stewart from Ulster on 4, Ashman isn’t quite in the top ten, he has 3 tries.

Otoh, and in a shift for Edinburgh, Ben Healy is the top goal kicker and overall top points scorer.

Edinburgh have not been playing well, they’ve slowly been improving each game this season, in fact some of the rugby played in the first half against Benetton was the best on show from anyone since the start of the new term. However that old fragility is still very much there and it all went runny very quickly.

Edinburgh are the most frustrating team to support, there is a good squad there and okay it’s a new coach and a new regime, but the old failings are still there, playing for 80 minutes seems to be a problem for them. It looked promising with late wins away to Dragons and then at home to Connacht, but it was back to square one last week.

I think Glasgow's maul is a big part of it but Mathews seems to be a big part in his own right - when the other Glasgow hookers play (most notably Turner who is an exceptional player in his own right) they do not score tries as frequently as Mathews.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:17 pm I have known about this for a while, but since Sanderson has made a public comment and it is on the Glasgow board I'll repeat what I said there.

Gus Warr coming to Edinburgh at his instigation has been rumoured for a while. He has been trying to get clarity from the England side if he features in their plans, and they have been non-committal. So he has also been in talks about coming up here. Which is interesting as his brother was more pro Scotland and he more pro England. Even when he was at school at Dollar he went back down to Sale for training.

One of the issues is his Sale contract stipulates that he has to accept a call from England if it came. So for him the risk if he stays is that England cap him just to keep him away from us, and that is his international career over. Supposedly this was added after Ashman turned down England.

He is doing what any dual qualified player would do and making sure he understands his options.

The story was when Steele signed for a year was that he was keeping the place warm for Warr. Price's move may have changed the landscape.

The Party Line wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:40 pm Maybe Warr is potentially being lined up for Glasgow now. It wouldn't be the first time that reports of Edinburgh being interested has actually meant that the SRU are interested.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:46 pm

The Party Line wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:40 pm Maybe Warr is potentially being lined up for Glasgow now. It wouldn't be the first time that reports of Edinburgh being interested has actually meant that the SRU are interested.

Maybe, but it would still result in a log jam there with Horne, Dobie, Kennedy, Afshar and Warr.

I think Price and Steele will be off from Edinburgh at the end of the season.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:46 pm

The Party Line wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:40 pm Maybe Warr is potentially being lined up for Glasgow now. It wouldn't be the first time that reports of Edinburgh being interested has actually meant that the SRU are interested.

Maybe, but it would still result in a log jam there with Horne, Dobie, Kennedy, Afshar and Warr.

I think Price and Steele will be off from Edinburgh at the end of the season.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:54 pm This is a bit painful already.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:07 pm I’ll always worship Weir for the drop goal in Rome, but I’m not sure a Super6 team would play him at the moment

Edit/ then the twat puts one in the corner

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:57 pm Haven’t watched Tom Jordan for a while, looks a lot more confident these days, I like it

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:00 pm Would quite like to see Afshar get on

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:17 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:00 pm Would quite like to see Afshar get on

A marked difference since he came on

LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:26 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:17 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:00 pm Would quite like to see Afshar get on

A marked difference since he came on

He looks proper good.

clydecloggie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:17 pm Throwing a game against Munster should mean capital punishment for a Glasgow head coach. Not sure Franco understands the extent of the rivalry - this should have been an all-guns-blazing line-up.

Duncan Weir missing all the conversions kept the score comfortable for Munster at all times. With the pressure of the Warriors within one score of the lead, Munster could have got the jitters and things might have ended differently.

Oh well - no excuses now, I'm expecting a big December from Glasgow after this sacrifice.