NPR

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:59 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

It has long been reported that the Glasgow budget is bigger than Edinburgh's as there is an approximate 50/50 split which is then adjusted by performance - Glasgow obviously performing better than Edinburgh for almost every year in recent history. The quoted figures are usually around Edinburgh £4.8m and Glasgow £5.1 million - I think those date back to around 2020/21 so things may have changed through the pandemic and the turbulence in the English game. Obviously that is players only and doesn't account for facilities etc.

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:33 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:51 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:55 am

If your going to class Jordon as in IC , and Styn as an OC , we might as well class Johnny Matthews as a winger ( he will score more tries that the Edinburgh Wingers combined )

Ha! The Jordan as IC came from the Glasgow board, just like I said. His profile on All Rugby lists him as a centre, his Wiki page has him as a centre/fly half.

Steyn is listed as an outside centre on the Glasgow Warriors site.

In a sport where hookers score lot of tries off the maul Mathews is prolific right enough, over thirty tries I think so far, but you'd be better off saying that he scores more than the Glasgow wingers combined, he's not scored more than van der Merwe and Graham.

Depends on your timescale I guess. In the calendar year 2023, Johnny Matthews has scored 18 tries for Glasgow in 867 minutes played. Across the same period, Darcy Graham and Duhan van der Merwe have a combined total of 4 tries scored for Edinburgh in 800 minutes played.

If you add in all players who have played wing for Edinburgh you get to 6 tries in 2023.

If you add in all backs for all 16 games that Edinburgh have played so far in 2023, you get to 19 tries - 1 more than Johnny but from a combined 8,900 or so minutes of game time.

Glasgow's wings have scored 24 tries in 2023.

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:07 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:59 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm A year or two ago I remember reading from an SRU source, I can't remember who, that they had concentrated their efforts at Glasgow because with bringing Townsend in as coach after Lineen had steadied the ship, there was a very promising group of young players there which they augmented with the likes of Maitland, Seymour and Strauss etc. Glasgow's budget has been larger than Edinburgh's for a long time, this was down to them being successful and supplying more players to the Scotland squad during that period, it was the SRU rewarding Glasgow and after Toonie came a big budget coach in Dave Rennie.

That's all as it should be, imo, the Glasgow success on the park brought a bigger budget from the SRU, who then decided to increase Edinburgh's budget to try to emulate the progress made over in the west, but Glasgow didn't see a cut in budget at the time, at least it was never reported as being the case.

What I don't know is if Edinburgh budget has now overtaken Glasgow's, I would be very surprised if it has, I think the number of players from each club was nearly even Stevens at the world cup

It has long been reported that the Glasgow budget is bigger than Edinburgh's as there is an approximate 50/50 split which is then adjusted by performance - Glasgow obviously performing better than Edinburgh for almost every year in recent history. The quoted figures are usually around Edinburgh £4.8m and Glasgow £5.1 million - I think those date back to around 2020/21 so things may have changed through the pandemic and the turbulence in the English game. Obviously that is players only and doesn't account for facilities etc.

I think those figures were quoted by Mark Dodson at the AGM in October 2016. As far as I'm aware the differential between Glasgow and Edinburgh was eliminated during the Cockerill era so they should be operating off the same budget. There was a supporters' meeting last summer where it was mentioned that the budget for Glasgow was £6.5m for the 2021/22 season and it was getting boosted to £8m for 2022/23 (the increased investment in the pro game referenced in the most recent SRU accounts). It's possible it may have needed to come back down a bit but I doubt it's much below £7.5m for 2023/24.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:27 pm

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:07 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:59 am

It has long been reported that the Glasgow budget is bigger than Edinburgh's as there is an approximate 50/50 split which is then adjusted by performance - Glasgow obviously performing better than Edinburgh for almost every year in recent history. The quoted figures are usually around Edinburgh £4.8m and Glasgow £5.1 million - I think those date back to around 2020/21 so things may have changed through the pandemic and the turbulence in the English game. Obviously that is players only and doesn't account for facilities etc.

I think those figures were quoted by Mark Dodson at the AGM in October 2016. As far as I'm aware the differential between Glasgow and Edinburgh was eliminated during the Cockerill era so they should be operating off the same budget. There was a supporters' meeting last summer where it was mentioned that the budget for Glasgow was £6.5m for the 2021/22 season and it was getting boosted to £8m for 2022/23 (the increased investment in the pro game referenced in the most recent SRU accounts). It's possible it may have needed to come back down a bit but I doubt it's much below £7.5m for 2023/24.

That’s pretty interesting. The English salary cap is £5m rising to £6.5m next year I think? That would put both Scottish clubs well beyond their English counterparts, although I suppose the marquee player could bump that up quite a chunk.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:55 pm This Swiel chap having a tough 1st half

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:04 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:55 pm This Swiel chap having a tough 1st half

He certainly is. Embra are doing better than I expected despite that though.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:22 pm WTF are they doing

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:29 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:22 pm WTF are they doing

Shooting themselves in the foot as usual

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:29 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:27 pm

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:07 pm
I think those figures were quoted by Mark Dodson at the AGM in October 2016. As far as I'm aware the differential between Glasgow and Edinburgh was eliminated during the Cockerill era so they should be operating off the same budget. There was a supporters' meeting last summer where it was mentioned that the budget for Glasgow was £6.5m for the 2021/22 season and it was getting boosted to £8m for 2022/23 (the increased investment in the pro game referenced in the most recent SRU accounts). It's possible it may have needed to come back down a bit but I doubt it's much below £7.5m for 2023/24.

That’s pretty interesting. The English salary cap is £5m rising to £6.5m next year I think? That would put both Scottish clubs well beyond their English counterparts, although I suppose the marquee player could bump that up quite a chunk.

Will that budget be all players pay though? Or will it include travel, marketing etc. I’ve no idea

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:50 pm Big bomber hislop, got to be a win now. Still time for a bp.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:27 pm

topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:07 pm

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:59 am

It has long been reported that the Glasgow budget is bigger than Edinburgh's as there is an approximate 50/50 split which is then adjusted by performance - Glasgow obviously performing better than Edinburgh for almost every year in recent history. The quoted figures are usually around Edinburgh £4.8m and Glasgow £5.1 million - I think those date back to around 2020/21 so things may have changed through the pandemic and the turbulence in the English game. Obviously that is players only and doesn't account for facilities etc.

I think those figures were quoted by Mark Dodson at the AGM in October 2016. As far as I'm aware the differential between Glasgow and Edinburgh was eliminated during the Cockerill era so they should be operating off the same budget. There was a supporters' meeting last summer where it was mentioned that the budget for Glasgow was £6.5m for the 2021/22 season and it was getting boosted to £8m for 2022/23 (the increased investment in the pro game referenced in the most recent SRU accounts). It's possible it may have needed to come back down a bit but I doubt it's much below £7.5m for 2023/24.

That’s pretty interesting. The English salary cap is £5m rising to £6.5m next year I think? That would put both Scottish clubs well beyond their English counterparts, although I suppose the marquee player could bump that up quite a chunk.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:12 pm Stevie Ferris never disappoints, does he?

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:05 pm Just seen the Instagram post of Paterson doing the “Edinburgh” song with a drum. Great to see stuff like that still happening

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:43 pm That’s a great win, makes last week all the more galling, but if we’d won last week and only got a BP this week I would have said we’d had a pretty good start to the season. The 1872 games are vital, we need a win and multiple bonus points there.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:53 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:12 pm Stevie Ferris never disappoints, does he?

Genuinely unbelievable

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:24 pm

Special mention to young Patterson who I don’t think I’ve see before, potentially a very good player

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:01 pm Boan Venter signs a two year extension to his deal at Edinburgh. He'll be 28 and Scottish-Qualified by the end of it.

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:59 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:01 pm Boan Venter signs a two year extension to his deal at Edinburgh. He'll be 28 and Scottish-Qualified by the end of it.

He's been a great pick up for Edinburgh. He'd only had 20 or so appearances for Cheetahs when he came over and I think he'd be a starter now for a lot of clubs in the URC - he just happens to be behind Schoeman for us.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:01 pm Boan Venter signs a two year extension to his deal at Edinburgh. He'll be 28 and Scottish-Qualified by the end of it.