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Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 am**

To be fair to Scotland, as his dad is from Edinburgh I don't consider Richardson to be a poach.

I don't like the following

1. Project players, residency requirement is too short even at 5 years, should be 7 years + requirement to be a passport holder of the country you are representing.
2. Grandparent qualified players. I think that it should be limited to parents.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:43 am**

ia801310 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 am To be fair to Scotland, as his dad is from Edinburgh I don't consider Richardson to be a poach.

I don't like the following

1. Project players, residency requirement is too short even at 5 years, should be 7 years + requirement to be a passport holder of the country you are representing.
2. Grandparent qualified players. I think that it should be limited to parents.

I get a bit triggered by losing local talent to the oppo. But fair play to him. I wonder how long his Sharks contract is for. I just don't think its a very good thing for Scottish rugby. I get that they're trying to be competitive and with a small player base it tough. But I'm sure they're losing some of their Scottish 'mana' if there is such a thing.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:23 am**

ia801310 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 am To be fair to Scotland, as his dad is from Edinburgh I don't consider Richardson to be a poach.

I don't like the following

1. Project players, residency requirement is too short even at 5 years, should be 7 years + requirement to be a passport holder of the country you are representing.
2. Grandparent qualified players. I think that it should be limited to parents.

How long does it take for you to get citizenship in Scotland? Sport is a career now, surely it should be like any other career. I get that you can work in Scotland as a foreigner with a work visa but we're talking about representing a country here. Surly citizenship should be the minimum requirement.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:30 am**

average joe wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:23 am How long does it take for you to get citizenship in Scotland? Sport is a career now, surely it should be like any other career. I get that you can work in Scotland as a foreigner with a work visa but we're talking about representing a country here. Surly citizenship should be the minimum requirement.

If his father is Scottish, then getting a British passport isn't very complicated. He may already have dual citizenship.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:40 am**

Lazy c&p. Citizenship or passport not required.

There are four ways a player can be eligible to represent a country at international level. They are:

They were born in the country.
They have a parent or grandparent who was born in the country.
They have lived in the country for 60 consecutive months (three years) to qualify on residency immediately before playing.
They have completed ten years of cumulative residence in the country before playing.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:42 am**

Its todays reality I guess. But I will always laugh to see WP Nel represent Scotland or Duhan VDM.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:53 am**

ia801310 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 am To be fair to Scotland, as his dad is from Edinburgh I don't consider Richardson to be a poach.

I don't like the following

1. Project players, residency requirement is too short even at 5 years, should be 7 years + requirement to be a passport holder of the country you are representing.
2. Grandparent qualified players. I think that it should be limited to parents.

$hark$ (last outpost) lot have one foot in the UK, balls in the Atlantic Ocean.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:03 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:53 am
ia801310 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 am To be fair to Scotland, as his dad is from Edinburgh I don't consider Richardson to be a poach.

I don't like the following

1. Project players, residency requirement is too short even at 5 years, should be 7 years + requirement to be a passport holder of the country you are representing.
2. Grandparent qualified players. I think that it should be limited to parents.
$hark$ (last outpost) lot have one foot in the UK, balls in the Atlantic Ocean.

Ja. Big contributions to the NH

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:10 am**

Still a bit weird that more people are talking about Dylan Richardson, who by virtue of his surname has British ancestry, and not Pierre Schoeman who has also been called up.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am**

assfly wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:10 am Still a bit weird that more people are talking about Dylan Richardson, who by virtue of his surname has British ancestry, and not Pierre Schoeman who has also been called up.

Well he has put in 36 months of investment into Edinburgh. I respect that. CJ Stander and Beast Mtawarira did the same before representing their adoptive countries. The Richardson selection just seems rather soulless. Maybe I am just old school but my idea of a Scottish flanker is John Jeffery or Finlay Calder. Guys who we need subtitles to understand their interviews.

Maybe I am just getting old but getting an international cap always seemed to be a special thing. Scotland's selection policy is not doing that tradition justice I feel.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:24 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am Well he has put in 36 months of investment into Edinburgh. I respect that. CJ Stander and Beast Mtawarira did the same before representing their adoptive countries. The Richardson selection just seems rather soulless. Maybe I am just old school but my idea of a Scottish flanker is John Jeffery or Finlay Calder. Guys who we need subtitles to understand their interviews.

Maybe I am just getting old but getting an international cap always seemed to be a special thing. Scotland's selection policy is not doing that tradition justice I feel.

I have more of a problem with Schoeman. 3 years is nothing, and I'm sure that would have involved a lot of time back in SA during breaks and off season. When he is done with rugby, he's getting on the next flight back to SA for good.

At least Richardson has Scottish blood.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:38 am**

assfly wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:24 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am Well he has put in 36 months of investment into Edinburgh. I respect that. CJ Stander and Beast Mtawarira did the same before representing their adoptive countries. The Richardson selection just seems rather soulless. Maybe I am just old school but my idea of a Scottish flanker is John Jeffery or Finlay Calder. Guys who we need subtitles to understand their interviews.

Maybe I am just getting old but getting an international cap always seemed to be a special thing. Scotland's selection policy is not doing that tradition justice I feel.
I have more of a problem with Schoeman. 3 years is nothing, and I'm sure that would have involved a lot of time back in SA during breaks and off season. When he is done with rugby, he's getting on the next flight back to SA for good.

You can’t know that. Stander pissed off to SA, but it’s clear WP Nel is staying put after retirement. He loves Scotland.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:41 am**

assfly wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:24 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am Well he has put in 36 months of investment into Edinburgh. I respect that. CJ Stander and Beast Mtawarira did the same before representing their adoptive countries. The Richardson selection just seems rather soulless. Maybe I am just old school but my idea of a Scottish flanker is John Jeffery or Finlay Calder. Guys who we need subtitles to understand their interviews.

Maybe I am just getting old but getting an international cap always seemed to be a special thing. Scotland's selection policy is not doing that tradition justice I feel.
I have more of a problem with Schoeman. 3 years is nothing, and I'm sure that would have involved a lot of time back in SA during breaks and off season. When he is done with rugby, he's getting on the next flight back to SA for good.

At least Richardson has Scottish blood.

I find it strange coming from you. I thought someone as well travelled would put less sentiment on heritage. Surely someone can make a connection with a place other than the one he was born in. Where one chooses to go on pension should also not be a factor. How many Brits choose to live in the South of France when they retire? Does this make them any less British?

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:49 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:40 am Lazy c&p. Citizenship or passport not required.

There are four ways a player can be eligible to represent a country at international level. They are:

They were born in the country. That should afford them citizenship, no?
They have a parent or grandparent who was born in the country.Living relatives, fair enough.
They have lived in the country for 60 consecutive months (three years) to qualify on residency immediately before playing. It seems a bit short if you ask me
They have completed ten years of cumulative residence in the country before playing.Surly you could be a citizen before ten years, It takes five years in SA.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:12 am**

average joe wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:41 am
assfly wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:24 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am Well he has put in 36 months of investment into Edinburgh. I respect that. CJ Stander and Beast Mtawarira did the same before representing their adoptive countries. The Richardson selection just seems rather soulless. Maybe I am just old school but my idea of a Scottish flanker is John Jeffery or Finlay Calder. Guys who we need subtitles to understand their interviews.

Maybe I am just getting old but getting an international cap always seemed to be a special thing. Scotland's selection policy is not doing that tradition justice I feel.
I have more of a problem with Schoeman. 3 years is nothing, and I'm sure that would have involved a lot of time back in SA during breaks and off season. When he is done with rugby, he's getting on the next flight back to SA for good.

At least Richardson has Scottish blood.
I find it strange coming from you. I thought someone as well travelled would put less sentiment on heritage. Surely someone can make a connection with a place other than the one he was born in. Where one chooses to go on pension should also not be a factor. How many Brits choose to live in the South of France when they retire? Does this make them any less British?

I'm OK with a guy say playing 5 years in Scotland and then pulling on the jersey. That's enough time to establish roots and build relationships with the club and your fellow players.

It's like when we were in the SADF. That time spent bonding gave you a loyalty to your unit and comrades that is unbreakable. That is special. If we had hired mercs to come I would have felt different.

International rugby is so steeped in tradition that I feel sad to see it modernise. Of course I do accept the reality that we live in.

Dylan Richardson went to the same school as my grandpa. At that stage Kearney was in Stanger on the North Coast. My uncles and now my nephew went there. It just feels weird to have a Kearney boy play for Scotland.

I hope he does well there. And I hope he leaves for a Scottish club asap. The Sharks have invested in him at every level since u16. He's now just taking up space in our squad that a local boy must take up.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:55 am**

Pierre Schoeman played for Afrikaanse Hoër Seunskool. That's as far from Scottish as the north to the south pole.
WP Nel played for HTS Drostdy (Donkeys) Worcester. That's even further away

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:58 am**

At least one true Scotsman agrees with me.

Scotland great says Gregor Townsend has ’gone too far’ with Dylan Richardson selection

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/pro14 ... 5c3c8ef626

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:59 am**

“Does Richardson accepting the Scotland call-up mean he doesn’t think he is good enough to make the Springboks, and should Scotland accept second best? And what message does this selection give young Scottish players hoping to play for their country?” asked Chalmers, who played for Scotland for a decade and was a British and Irish Lion in 1989.

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:24 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:59 am “Does Richardson accepting the Scotland call-up mean he doesn’t think he is good enough to make the Springboks, and should Scotland accept second best? And what message does this selection give young Scottish players hoping to play for their country?” asked Chalmers, who played for Scotland for a decade and was a British and Irish Lion in 1989.

Lets be honest...Rassie has not changed HIS TEAM since the RWC and is reluctant to do so.....and based on one win out of 4 against NZ people still think he is God....Even the Du Preez brothers are victims of this.....why would you not look elsewhere

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:42 pm**

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:24 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:59 am “Does Richardson accepting the Scotland call-up mean he doesn’t think he is good enough to make the Springboks, and should Scotland accept second best? And what message does this selection give young Scottish players hoping to play for their country?” asked Chalmers, who played for Scotland for a decade and was a British and Irish Lion in 1989.
Lets be honest...Rassie has not changed HIS TEAM since the RWC and is reluctant to do so.....and based on one win out of 4 against NZ people still think he is God....Even the Du Preez brothers are victims of this.....why would you not look elsewhere

I just think Scotland is taking the piss now. They're disrespecting their homegrown talent by doing this. One or two is kinda OK but they're starting to look like and no doubt sound like a team of Afrikaners.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:34 am**

Interesting that the bookies have Rassie firm favorite to take over from Eddie.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:40 am**

sorCrer wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:34 am Interesting that the bookies have Rassie firm favorite to take over from Eddie.

Cognitive dissonance incoming for England fans!

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:54 am**

Bok squad for the November tour of Europe is announced on Tuesday

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:11 pm**

Now that we are scrapped from the UK red zone suppose the Bok squad will be trimmed.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:17 pm**

sorCrer wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:34 am Interesting that the bookies have Rassie firm favorite to take over from Eddie.

Rassie is not well. Can’t see him staying healthy enough to start again with a new team overseas.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:00 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:17 pm
sorCrer wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:34 am Interesting that the bookies have Rassie firm favorite to take over from Eddie.
Rassie is not well. Can’t see him staying healthy enough to start again with a new team overseas.

Also when this last came up he put a pinned tweet on Twitter. It is still pinned on Twitter.

I can't see him going either. He is an extremely passionate and patriotic South African, I can't seen him ever managing a rival nation.

Posted: **Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:46 pm**

The English love Rassie.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:08 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:46 pm The English love Rassie.

The English women love Boere Wor$

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:30 am**

Chilli wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:08 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:46 pm The English love Rassie.
The English women love Boere Wor$

Definitely!

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:23 am**

Moerat to replace RG in the Bok squad?

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:30 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:23 am Moerat to replace RG in the Bok squad?

He played well.

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:19 pm**

Chilli wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:30 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:23 am Moerat to replace RG in the Bok squad?
He played well.

ja, has been in great form the last weeks

Posted: **Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:43 pm**

Chilli wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:30 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:23 am Moerat to replace RG in the Bok squad?
He played well.

Stormers last lock.

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:08 am**

Springbok squad for the Castle Lager Outgoing Tour:

Props:
Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks) – 13 caps, 0 pts
Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 56 caps, 5pts (1t)
Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 28 caps, 0 pts
Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 6 caps, 0pts
Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)

Hookers:
Joseph Dweba (Bordeaux Bègles) – 1 cap, 0 pts
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 43 caps, 45 pts (9t)
Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 45 caps, 45 pts (9t)

Locks:
Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 53 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 94 caps, 15 pts (3t)
Salmaan Moerat (DHL Stormers) – Uncapped
Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 7 caps, 0 pts

Loose forwards:
Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 60 caps, 30 pts (6t)
Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 16 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Marco van Staden (Leicester Tigers) – 9 caps, 0 pts
Duane Vermeulen (Ulster) – 58 caps, 15 pts (3t)
Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 8 caps, 0 pts

Utility forward:
Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 48 caps, 5pts (1t)

Scrumhalves:
Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 18 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 18 caps, 40pts (8t)
Grant Williams (Cell C Sharks) – Uncapped

Flyhalves:
Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 41 caps, 309 pts (2t, 64c, 56p, 1d)
Handré Pollard (Montpellier) – 57 caps, 558 pts (6t, 83c, 120p, 4d)

Midfielders:
Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 23 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Damian de Allende (Munster) – 55 caps, 35 pts (7t)
Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 48 caps, 60 pts (12t)

Outside backs:
Aphelele Fassi (Cell C Sharks) – 2 caps, 10pts (2t)
Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 70 caps, 60 pts (12t)
Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 22 caps, 85 pts (17t)
Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks) – 25 caps, 45 pts (9t)

Utility backs:
Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 14 caps, 5pts (1t)
Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 71 caps, 141pts (11t, 7c, 21p, 3d)

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:09 am**

Moerat the only new Bok

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:17 am**

Players released/injured from TRC squad
Johan Grobbelaar
Wilco Louw
Frans Malherbe (Injured)
Rynhardt Elstadt
Nico Janse van Rensburg (Injured)
RG Snyman (Injured)
Dan du Preez
Faf de Klerk (Injured)
Jaden Hendrikse (Injured)
Morné Steyn
Cheslin Kolbe (Injured)
Rosko Specman

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:21 am**

Another opportunity missed to blood new players, but then again it won't matter if we keep selecting the same starting XV over and over again.

Contrats to Salmaan Moerat, he's earned it. Would have preferred to have seen Roos ahead of Wiese.

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:24 am**

Roos is still young, he will get there.

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:27 am**

So what ever happened to the "specmagic" we were promised?

Posted: **Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:31 am**

assfly wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:27 am So what ever happened to the "specmagic" we were promised?

He'll be back for the Stormers.

The Springboks will depart for a one-week training camp in France on Friday before making the journey to Cardiff for their opening Test.

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