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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:16 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:03 pm

yermum wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:52 pm All sorts of wild rumours flying about.
Russians reporting that Severnodonetsk and Lyschansk have fallen etc.

Must be pure chaos for the RUF ATM. Trying to keep up with what's really going on and where to try to send reserves ... They look in serious trouble.

No no, the Russian MOD says it's all part of a well planned Russian effort to regroup and focus on Donbas. The second Russian Lt-Col to be captured in this offensive (this one not having his trousers on), losing all their most modern radar systems, losing Izyum which took them over a month of fighting to take, having all the gains from their months long Donbas offensive reversed in a few days ... all just part of the plan from Putin the 4D chess grand master.

The more they lie, the worse the truth will turn out to be.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm Really wish I knew what the underlying sentiment is in Russia right now.

"My Friend, the Russian does not give a damn who runs things.
I have lived amoungst them.
The Russian only cares he has a bottle of vodka to suck & some form of domestic animal life to fuck.
He will happily sit in shit his whole life."

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:26 pm

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm Really wish I knew what the underlying sentiment is in Russia right now.

There a quote in the 2001 film about the Wannsee Conference, which seems particularly accurate, even today.

"My Friend, the Russian does not give a damn who runs things.
I have lived amoungst them.
The Russian only cares he has a bottle of vodka to suck & some form of domestic animal life to fuck.
He will happily sit in shit his whole life."

all he missed, was getting a Washing Machine for Mama, or a Lada, if he gets vaporized inside a tank.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:12 pm Any thoughts on the relative generosity of Putin’s message re the Queen’s death? Is he trying to be nice to us or am I reading too much into it? It’s just that he doesn’t seem to be the sort of chap that would worry much about the niceties of diplomatic protocol.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:27 pm Where’s the Russian AF in this? It can’t have been effectively wiped out surely.

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:22 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:12 pm Any thoughts on the relative generosity of Putin’s message re the Queen’s death? Is he trying to be nice to us or am I reading too much into it? It’s just that he doesn’t seem to be the sort of chap that would worry much about the niceties of diplomatic protocol.

His standard currying favour with Europe's fascist-leaning groupings. Putin 101.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:33 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:22 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:12 pm Any thoughts on the relative generosity of Putin’s message re the Queen’s death? Is he trying to be nice to us or am I reading too much into it? It’s just that he doesn’t seem to be the sort of chap that would worry much about the niceties of diplomatic protocol.

His standard currying favour with Europe's fascist-leaning groupings. Putin 101.

Not that I know them well but would Europe’s fascists be great admirers of QE2?

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:27 pm Where’s the Russian AF in this? It can’t have been effectively wiped out surely.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:50 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:33 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:22 pm

His standard currying favour with Europe's fascist-leaning groupings. Putin 101.

Not that I know them well but would Europe’s fascists be great admirers of QE2?

I think that might be the joke old chap

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:55 pm The generous donations of military equipment, to the Ukraine continue.



Ukrainian engineers taking possession of one, slightly used, MTB, from a Mr V.Putin

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:57 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:27 pm Where’s the Russian AF in this? It can’t have been effectively wiped out surely.

NATO's new toys have kept them very very cautious. I think this is one aspect of the war where Russia is not prepared to accept ongoing attrition. Lost planes and pilots are irreplaceable and they've only used the full impact of them on occasions where they truly can make a difference. For the rout of Kharkiv it wouldn't have been a sensible loss/effectiveness equation.

dkm57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:17 pm Last few days have been quite staggering. The amount of kit the Orcs have left behind beggars belief. The Russian MOD continually releasing new statements which are increasingly comedic in their obfuscation.
Slava Ukraini.

Kremlin postpones indefinitely referendums on annexation of Donbass

The Kremlin is postponing indefinitely referendums on the annexation of the occupied territories of Ukraine after the Russian army in the Kharkiv region suffered its biggest defeat since the start of the war.

Initially scheduled for May, then postponed to September, then once again postponed to November, the referendums have been put on hold, Meduza reports, citing sources close to the presidential administration.

The reason is the fiasco of the Russian army, which lost 3,000 square kilometers and in a few days left the territory that it had recaptured with thousands of victims over the course of three months. Following Balakleya, Russian troops were driven out of Kupyansk and Izyum, where the occupation administration and the headquarters of the group advancing on the Donbass from the north were located. According to a map by the Russian Defense Ministry shown at a briefing on Sunday, Russian forces also left Volchansk, Kazachya Lopan and other border settlements.

The political technologists sent to the Kharkiv and Zaporozhye regions to prepare the vote received an “order to go home,” the source says. However, they still remain in the Kherson region.

"It's a complete collapse," said Phillips O'Brien, professor of strategic studies at the University of St. “More troops were probably stationed there to fight for the Donbass than anywhere else, and now they seem to be unable to hold anything there.”

According to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), the Armed Forces of Ukraine have liberated more territories in five days than Russian troops have seized since April. In some places, the Ukrainian military broke through the positions of the Russian Federation to a depth of up to 70 kilometers.

Earlier, Secretary of the United Russia General Council, First Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Andrei Turchak said that it would be “correct and symbolic” to hold referendums on National Unity Day, November 4. AP sources said Putin was starting to lose patience and a new date was announced as a deadline.

Now the Russian authorities do not know when they will be able to return to the discussion of specific dates for a possible vote, it depends on how the Ukrainian counteroffensive develops.

Ukraine will no longer be satisfied with either the surrender of Crimea and Donbas by Russia, or reparations for the invasion, said Alexei Danilov, Secretary of the National Security Council. "Kyiv, together with the Western allies, will seek the complete surrender and demilitarization of Russia," he said.

https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2022/09/11/k ... a-2-a24145

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:41 pm Amazing successes in the Ukrainian counter offensive. But I'm still not sure what the end game is here. Can the war ever be over whilst Putin is still in power. And, there doesn't, yet, seem to be a groundswell, against the war, in Russian public opinion. Those most vocal appear to be the ultra nationalists who want greater mobilisation and resources thrown at it.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:33 pm

redderneck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:22 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:12 pm Any thoughts on the relative generosity of Putin’s message re the Queen’s death? Is he trying to be nice to us or am I reading too much into it? It’s just that he doesn’t seem to be the sort of chap that would worry much about the niceties of diplomatic protocol.

His standard currying favour with Europe's fascist-leaning groupings. Putin 101.

Not that I know them well but would Europe’s fascists be great admirers of QE2?

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 am me last night

petej wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:08 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 am me last night

Was thinking in kherson that once the Ukrainians have cleared the west side of the Dnipro do they try to cross the river or shift a lot of those forces to another front (melitopol). Guess it depends how the Russians retreat.