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Agreed. We did deny England the LBP though, which we also haven’t always been great at.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm Frustrating not to get the tbp again. I’d love to see how often (hello Totm) Scotland have scored 3 tries in 60 minutes or fewer and not scored a bonus point. It feels like it happens a lot.
Not sure at all just a feeling. But he's a bigger body who can crash or pass and provides a similar option to Tuipulotu and its a good opportunity and environment to put him as that option at 12 to see whether we have a replacement option for Tuipulotu against a team with a lot of players he'll know well.
Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:51 pmNot sure at all. But he's a bigger body who can crash or pass and provides a similar option to Tuipulotu and its a good opportunity and environment to put him as that option at 12 to see whether we have a replacement option for Tuipulotu.
He's playing well and comfortable with Jones. We'll learn nothing about him in the summer v USA and Canada and GT likes to dabble at times v Italy.
Russell and Redpath play a lot together for Bath and that partnership might sway it Redpath's way? I too like McDowell a lot and would be delighted to see him selected, either way we are blessed with some strong options to pick from!Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:58 pmBig D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:51 pmNot sure at all. But he's a bigger body who can crash or pass and provides a similar option to Tuipulotu and its a good opportunity and environment to put him as that option at 12 to see whether we have a replacement option for Tuipulotu.
He's playing well and comfortable with Jones. We'll learn nothing about him in the summer v USA and Canada and GT likes to dabble at times v Italy.
That's a reasonable point, I just think we should put out our strongest available team v Italy - we'll need it - and if Sione isn't fit, then I'd think Redpath would start with probably McDowall over Hutch on the bench
Not had a chance to check the times of the scores but these are the games Scotland have scored 3 tries in since the Six Nations introduced bonus points:KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm Frustrating not to get the tbp again. I’d love to see how often (hello Totm) Scotland have scored 3 tries in 60 minutes or fewer and not scored a bonus point. It feels like it happens a lot.
Re restarts, yes, they were much better - we finally, after years, seemed to have realised that catching it and hoofing it upfield is perfectly acceptable- but we still have away 8(maybe 10) points directly from fucked up restarts, no other teams does this regularlyYr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:44 pm Well, have now watched the match back.
Actually more comfortable for Scotland than I thought. The BBC feed said that Duhan’s first try was ‘entirely against the run of play’ which I’d say was utter bollocks. The preceding 10 minutes was back-and-forth play in midfield with a lot of errors on both sides, but it would be stretching it to say it was all England. I also think it’s interesting that people say Scotland took their chances when they came, because I think you could say the exact same about England. I’m struggling to recall a point in the game when they looked likely to score a try, aside from the two occasions they did. Both of which were defensive lapses on our part.
Good points: RESTARTS. We finally seem to have figured out how to deal with them. Gilchrist was there to collect the ball, with support, every time. I think we only lost one. I was worried about Millar-Mills, and he was pinged in the scrum the first couple of times, but after that he won some free kicks and one or two crucial turnovers. Well done. Obviously Duhan - it’s not a question of whether he will break the record, but how far ahead he will move the marker. Also, our lineout was reliable and our discipline was decent (can’t find any stats right now).
Bad points: shithouse defence for both England tries. At the second in particular, they gave the guy a clear run to the line. Lots of handling errors.
Overall: Scotland the better team, and with the outstanding talent on show. Last week now becomes even more annoying, because we would be a win in Rome away from a showdown for the Championship in Dublin.
Thanks!topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:40 amNot had a chance to check the times of the scores but these are the games Scotland have scored 3 tries in since the Six Nations introduced bonus points:KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm Frustrating not to get the tbp again. I’d love to see how often (hello Totm) Scotland have scored 3 tries in 60 minutes or fewer and not scored a bonus point. It feels like it happens a lot.
2024 v England (W by 9)
2023 v France (L by 11)
2021 v France (W by 4)
2021 v Ireland (L by 3)
2021 v Wales (L by 1)
2020 v France (W by 11)
2020 v Italy (W by 17)
2018 v England (W by 12)
2017 v England (L by 40)
2017 v Ireland (W by 5)
That’s good to read, I never felt hugely threatened through the match and thought we were quite comfortable. The only point I had a worry was around 74ish minutes when we conceded the try followed by a penalty against us while attacking in their 22; for a moment it felt like England might score again and make it a nervy finish.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:44 pm Well, have now watched the match back.
Actually more comfortable for Scotland than I thought. The BBC feed said that Duhan’s first try was ‘entirely against the run of play’ which I’d say was utter bollocks. The preceding 10 minutes was back-and-forth play in midfield with a lot of errors on both sides, but it would be stretching it to say it was all England. I also think it’s interesting that people say Scotland took their chances when they came, because I think you could say the exact same about England. I’m struggling to recall a point in the game when they looked likely to score a try, aside from the two occasions they did. Both of which were defensive lapses on our part.
Good points: RESTARTS. We finally seem to have figured out how to deal with them. Gilchrist was there to collect the ball, with support, every time. I think we only lost one. I was worried about Millar-Mills, and he was pinged in the scrum the first couple of times, but after that he won some free kicks and one or two crucial turnovers. Well done. Obviously Duhan - it’s not a question of whether he will break the record, but how far ahead he will move the marker. Also, our lineout was reliable and our discipline was decent (can’t find any stats right now).
Bad points: shithouse defence for both England tries. At the second in particular, they gave the guy a clear run to the line. Lots of handling errors.
Overall: Scotland the better team, and with the outstanding talent on show. Last week now becomes even more annoying, because we would be a win in Rome away from a showdown for the Championship in Dublin.
, bounced for the first try, left for dead for the 2nd and run over a couple of other times.We also seem to have cottoned on to the idea that lifting the guy collecting the restart is a good tactic to make sure you win it cleanly. Everyone else has been doing it for ages, but for some reason we haven’t.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:23 amRe restarts, yes, they were much better - we finally, after years, seemed to have realised that catching it and hoofing it upfield is perfectly acceptable- but we still have away 8(maybe 10) points directly from fucked up restarts, no other teams does this regularlyYr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:44 pm Well, have now watched the match back.
Actually more comfortable for Scotland than I thought. The BBC feed said that Duhan’s first try was ‘entirely against the run of play’ which I’d say was utter bollocks. The preceding 10 minutes was back-and-forth play in midfield with a lot of errors on both sides, but it would be stretching it to say it was all England. I also think it’s interesting that people say Scotland took their chances when they came, because I think you could say the exact same about England. I’m struggling to recall a point in the game when they looked likely to score a try, aside from the two occasions they did. Both of which were defensive lapses on our part.
Good points: RESTARTS. We finally seem to have figured out how to deal with them. Gilchrist was there to collect the ball, with support, every time. I think we only lost one. I was worried about Millar-Mills, and he was pinged in the scrum the first couple of times, but after that he won some free kicks and one or two crucial turnovers. Well done. Obviously Duhan - it’s not a question of whether he will break the record, but how far ahead he will move the marker. Also, our lineout was reliable and our discipline was decent (can’t find any stats right now).
Bad points: shithouse defence for both England tries. At the second in particular, they gave the guy a clear run to the line. Lots of handling errors.
Overall: Scotland the better team, and with the outstanding talent on show. Last week now becomes even more annoying, because we would be a win in Rome away from a showdown for the Championship in Dublin.
Just been looking at Ireland's Six Nations winning streak - there is a side that doesn't leave the BP hanging very often. 11 consecutive wins, 10 try BPs (the one they missed came down to a Kyle Steyn tap tackle and James Ryan losing the ball forward at Murrayfield last year).KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:07 amThanks!topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:40 amNot had a chance to check the times of the scores but these are the games Scotland have scored 3 tries in since the Six Nations introduced bonus points:KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm Frustrating not to get the tbp again. I’d love to see how often (hello Totm) Scotland have scored 3 tries in 60 minutes or fewer and not scored a bonus point. It feels like it happens a lot.
2024 v England (W by 9)
2023 v France (L by 11)
2021 v France (W by 4)
2021 v Ireland (L by 3)
2021 v Wales (L by 1)
2020 v France (W by 11)
2020 v Italy (W by 17)
2018 v England (W by 12)
2017 v England (L by 40)
2017 v Ireland (W by 5)
2021 aside that doesn’t seem too bad. Perception never tells the full story. I guess it would be interesting to have context as to whether that is more or fewer than other teams.
It’s also a lot of fun when they rant on about foreign born players to point out their second try scorer is Welsh, by the standards that people hold us to.
Aye, but apparently if your team only has x* number of poaches it’s fine.
Corrected the original post as I'd omitted this year's game v Wales (it was the early hours of the morning!)KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:07 amThanks!topofthemoon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:40 amNot had a chance to check the times of the scores but these are the games Scotland have scored 3 tries in since the Six Nations introduced bonus points:KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm Frustrating not to get the tbp again. I’d love to see how often (hello Totm) Scotland have scored 3 tries in 60 minutes or fewer and not scored a bonus point. It feels like it happens a lot.
2024 v England (W by 9)
2023 v France (L by 11)
2021 v France (W by 4)
2021 v Ireland (L by 3)
2021 v Wales (L by 1)
2020 v France (W by 11)
2020 v Italy (W by 17)
2018 v England (W by 12)
2017 v England (L by 40)
2017 v Ireland (W by 5)
2021 aside that doesn’t seem too bad. Perception never tells the full story. I guess it would be interesting to have context as to whether that is more or fewer than other teams.
This is so true. X number of foreign born, residency or whatever players is fine. Y is ridiculous (Y being the number fielded by Scotland). I know I keep saying it, but it boils my piss that Ireland’s first choice back line includes an Aussie and three Kiwis, and nobody seems to care much, even as they steamroller everyone, but we get constant criticism.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:35 pmAye, but apparently if your team only has x* number of poaches it’s fine.
*x being the number they currently have. By adding an additional poach x changes. It is a flexible constant.
Gilchrist was superb at the restarts yesterday, possibly some of the best collections of catches I have seen us take in a long time and the ball was easily secured. The first one after he went off was appalling. Itoje just ran right across the front of them, nowhere near the ball but they all got totally distracted. Pretty much led to the second try.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:23 amRe restarts, yes, they were much better - we finally, after years, seemed to have realised that catching it and hoofing it upfield is perfectly acceptable- but we still have away 8(maybe 10) points directly from fucked up restarts, no other teams does this regularlyYr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:44 pm Well, have now watched the match back.
Actually more comfortable for Scotland than I thought. The BBC feed said that Duhan’s first try was ‘entirely against the run of play’ which I’d say was utter bollocks. The preceding 10 minutes was back-and-forth play in midfield with a lot of errors on both sides, but it would be stretching it to say it was all England. I also think it’s interesting that people say Scotland took their chances when they came, because I think you could say the exact same about England. I’m struggling to recall a point in the game when they looked likely to score a try, aside from the two occasions they did. Both of which were defensive lapses on our part.
Good points: RESTARTS. We finally seem to have figured out how to deal with them. Gilchrist was there to collect the ball, with support, every time. I think we only lost one. I was worried about Millar-Mills, and he was pinged in the scrum the first couple of times, but after that he won some free kicks and one or two crucial turnovers. Well done. Obviously Duhan - it’s not a question of whether he will break the record, but how far ahead he will move the marker. Also, our lineout was reliable and our discipline was decent (can’t find any stats right now).
Bad points: shithouse defence for both England tries. At the second in particular, they gave the guy a clear run to the line. Lots of handling errors.
Overall: Scotland the better team, and with the outstanding talent on show. Last week now becomes even more annoying, because we would be a win in Rome away from a showdown for the Championship in Dublin.
Earls got absolutely minced by White of all people as well. I thought he and the rest of the back row got away with murder. Constantly infringing and slowing down but Beace just seemed to coach them rather than whistle. Their penalty under the posts against Ritchie, where the Genge clear out was looked at was ridiculous. Brace must have been wincing looking at the Genge reviews as he could see what a mess he had made of it.Slick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:08 am Just watched some highlights - didn’t realise what an utterly miserable day Earl had against Duhan, bounced for the first try, left for dead for the 2nd and run over a couple of other times.
Anyway, great atmosphere at Murrayfield and in town yesterday. Isn’t always like that for the England game so enjoyed it
Not sure. France have Wales & England to play - they should win both, and probably a BP against Wales. So that's 8 or 9 more points, which puts them on 14 or 15.
I hadn’t put much thought into that, pleased to be brought back tk earthS/Lt_Phillips wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:13 pmNot sure. France have Wales & England to play - they should win both, and probably a BP against Wales. So that's 8 or 9 more points, which puts them on 14 or 15.
We're on 9, so a BP against Italy (by no means a certainty) puts us on 14. So we might need a LBP or 4 tries at least against Ireland.
But this is Scotland, so Garbisi hitting the post will be what denies us 2nd place. It is written.