Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Tichtheid]

One defaced war memorial is one too many, but there are over a hundred thousand war memorials in the UK according to the Imperial War Museum, commemorating over one and half million names.

[sturginho]

"Full confidence" is usually what a football team says just before they sack the manager....

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak- ... s-13003991

[C69]

So will Cruella last the week?

I note she has broken the Ministerial code again

[Paddington Bear]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

[Sandstorm]

So will Cruella last the week?

I note she has broken the Ministerial code again

Is there another racist, middle aged (Asian) woman in the Tory Party who can take her place? Seems there's only one type of candidate they like.

[Sandstorm]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

Balaclavas for every copper on duty. They can't be identified when swinging the clubs onto anyone (Muslim or Other) defacing a memorial.

Black hoods seems to fit the Tory Party mood at the moment too.

[Ymx]

Just how ?!!

[C69]

Just how ?!!

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... start=1160
Can you keep it on this thread ffs

[Ymx]

Um … no

[Muttonbird]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

[Tichtheid]

The latest slice of Pie. Even for him this is full on, although he does have a point

[Chilli]

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

[Muttonbird]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

How would you know?

[C69]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

Absolutely in certain areas of the UK.
Look at the well documented treatment of people.of colour by the Met Police for instance.

[Paddington Bear]

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

[dpedin]

The damage has been done, we will all need to just stand back and watch the chaos unfold now at the weekend. It is now too late to call off the march and it will go ahead as planned and as agreed with the Met Police. However Braverman's interventions have in effect been a clarion call for the far right to now attend and cause trouble. Also there will be other extremists of various hues who will infiltrate the planned peaceful march in order to cause disruption and will look to confront the NF/Turning Point/Farage supporting etc right wing gangs. They will probably splinter off and try and approach the Cenotaph. Similarly the far right mobs will go looking for trouble and try and engage the planned march at key points on their march route. All in all Braverman has created a shitfest and called for every extremists and nutters from all angles to come and cause trouble and put the peaceful marchers and the Met Police in serious danger of real harm. If there are injuries or worse then it will be on her head, she really is a Cnut and Jonathon Pie summarises my thoughts entirely. Hopefully sacked on Monday but by the then the damage will have been done and everyone will be claiming they were right. What a fuck up!

[Hal Jordan]

Meanwhile, it would appear that a Tory donor has invested £70k in the Party and received a return of £11.5m on it, in the form of the contract to supply temporary classrooms following the RAAC debacle.

Why anyone would put money into property or the markets when there is this sort of ROI available is beyond me.

[petej]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

We wouldn't tolerate intolerance from other groups like we have the sexism, homophobia and antisemitism from Muslims. Agreed on the return on Tommy Robinson.

[Slick]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

[Sandstorm]

The latest slice of Pie. Even for him this is full on, although he does have a point

Heil Braverman

[ScarfaceClaw]

Meanwhile, it would appear that a Tory donor has invested £70k in the Party and received a return of £11.5m on it, in the form of the contract to supply temporary classrooms following the RAAC debacle.

Why anyone would put money into property or the markets when there is this sort of ROI available is beyond me.

We should get a go-fund-me to raise money for a Tory “bung” (donation). The returns are epic.

[SaintK]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

No chance, not with the Rwanda judgement due next Wednesday. Not bthat he's got the bollocks to do it anyway!
The usual Tory right wing arseholes plus Farage and GB News rowing in behind her big time.

[ASMO]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

No chance, not with the Rwanda judgement due next Wednesday. Not bthat he's got the bollocks to do it anyway!
The usual Tory right wing arseholes plus Farage and GB News rowing in behind her big time.

It is the prefect time for him to bin her, if the judgement comes back saying its illegal, he can pass all the blame to her with little opportunity for her to come back. What he needs to do is find a way of sacking her and utterly destroying her credibility a way that even the Nazi wing of the party cant support her. He might know he has lost the next election, and know his days as leader are numbered, but he can certainly do all he can to fuck her chances up.

[Paddington Bear]

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

We wouldn't tolerate intolerance from other groups like we have the sexism, homophobia and antisemitism from Muslims. Agreed on the return on Tommy Robinson.

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

[Sandstorm]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

[sockwithaticket]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

Rishi doesn't give a fuck. He knows there's no future as leader beyond the end of this parliament. All he's there to do is help Tory donors and his fellows in the already absurdly wealthy investor class with what time he has left - see the rowing back on net zero, attempts to deregulate planning at the cost of our waterways, the wholly unnecessary signing of new oil and gas drilling licenses into law etc.

[Paddington Bear]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

[Paddington Bear]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

Rishi doesn't give a fuck. He knows there's no future as leader beyond the end of this parliament. All he's there to do is help Tory donors and his fellows in the already absurdly wealthy investor class with what time he has left - see the rowing back on net zero, attempts to deregulate planning at the cost of our waterways, the wholly unnecessary signing of new oil and gas drilling licenses into law etc.

My view is that Rishi is governing in a way he’ll be able to explain when on the board of a firm like McKinsey.

[Insane_Homer]

The way I see it, Rishi can't get pushed out, the minute he gets a whif of them trying to depose him he'll just threaten to call a GE. So dumping Cruella the cunt is imminent regardless of her backers, the DM and any threat to him.

[Sandstorm]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

Agree with both your statements.

[tabascoboy]

"Considering"

[Zig]

Suella Braverman, if that's your real name, isn't as bad as she seems.

If Andy Burham spoke those words there'd be a very different response.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The way I see it, Rishi can't get pushed out, the minute he gets a whif of them trying to depose him he'll just threaten to call a GE. So dumping Cruella the cunt is imminent regardless of her backers, the DM and any threat to him.

Next week we should get the ruling on the Rwanda policy from the courts. Especially if that goes against the Home Office that would be an easier time to move against her, and not make the first job of the new incumbent to defend much which Cruella worked on

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

[Insane_Homer]

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[Paddington Bear]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

[C69]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

[Paddington Bear]

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

I’m not suggesting they do, they show bias towards groups they’re scared of. It isn’t a left/right equation

[C69]

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

I’m not suggesting they do, they show bias towards groups they’re scared of. It isn’t a left/right equation

I'm not suggesting you did, for clarity the assertion was about Suella.
Who must have had a nose job.

[sockwithaticket]

"There is a world of just the private sector getting on with it, and a world that wants to basically play to a base of the Telegraph, GB News, that doesn’t represent reality. This has caused a myopic focus in Westminster and Whitehall which I’ve seen as being behind the curve on issues that are not the issues that will encourage economic investment in this country.”

Skidmore said he was particularly angry about attacks on the Climate Change Committee, an independent body that advises the government on five-year “carbon budgets” necessary to meet its 2050 target, which has been politicised of late by politicians and the media.

“There have been specific attacks coming from the Telegraph, claiming that it has powers that it does not have. It’s an advisory body. It doesn’t have any ability to make specific policy recommendations. All it does is report on the impact of the government’s policy recommendations. This is another classic case of misinformation.”

Strong words from the architect of Net Zero, Chris Skudmore MP.

He says elsewhere that the current Tory party has no vision for the future, but that Starmer's Labour do.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-skidmore