sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm
How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the police faces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
How predictable is this?
Agreed, I suspect there will be many more chants of this nature.
Very predictable.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:56 pm
by sefton
Can we politics to one side for one moment and rally around to support one of our own, I’m going to set up a Just Giving page to raise any bail money for our mate DAC in case he has got himself into a spot of bother in London.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pm
by Sandstorm
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:56 pm
Can we politics to one side for one moment and rally around to support one of our own, I’m going to set up a Just Giving page to raise any bail money for our mate DAC in case he has got himself into a spot of bother in London.
Someone get food poisoning at a caf near Paddington?
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm
How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the police faces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
How predictable is this?
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:48 pm
by Hal Jordan
In more positive news, the Restore Trust Tufton Street mob have been given short shrift at the National Trust AGM once more, but no doubt they'll be back again and again until circumstances go in their favour, and that's that...
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
Give them some time
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
I have a general dislike and distrust of Islam, somewhat môre so than my dislike and distrust of Christianity. Largely based on personal experience
And if you're referring to those, probable, Muslims in the video clip, I do dislike them and distrust them. Mainly cos they're calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
Give them some time
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps, but of the major religions to exist in the Occident it'd be fair to say Islam is the most misogynistic, most homophobic..., and this despite the actual wordings of their particular pleadings to a sky fairy
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
All of which was caused Bin Laden deciding to stage a spectacular attack on the US mostly because it was an ally of a Saudi regime he hated .
Arguably the disastrous interventions in the middle east drove some to extremism but hard-line attitudes have always existed - the polling is pretty stark.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:53 pm
by Sandstorm
sefton wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:21 pm
Sandy would say that Amichai Eliyahu is just misunderstood.
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Oklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Oklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?
Or the Christchurch mosque shootings?
4 crazy Christians? 5? Completely dwarfed by the number of violent terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam in the last 25 years.
Stuff it, I’m going to do something less annoying.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:20 pm
by Uncle fester
Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West
My point being is that this is demonstrably untrue.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:53 pm
by Raggs
Sky reporting 150 pro Palestine protestors have been detained.
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Oklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
This is an extremely one eyed take on things. You get that, right?
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
I don't accept that terror attacks against the civillian populations of countries are excused like that. If the issues are with politicians and the armed forces they command, target them. Indiscriminate slaughter of people who have no say isn't a retaliation for military incompetence.
Casting it as Christian vs. Muslim is reaching. Bush said it about one theatre and his words as a president of the US hold some weight, but none of the rest of the coalition nations made any such expressions. If it were Christianity vs. Islam you might expect the terrorists to specifically target Christians/churches when launching their attacks, but, no, they're pretty indiscriminate when pursuing mass targets rather than specific individuals ( for such ghastly crimes as drawing their pedo prophet).
C69 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
This is an extremely one eyed take on things. You get that, right?
There's only one religious group that might kill me in my own country or in any near neighbours. I don't really care if you think that's one-eyed.
Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West
My point being is that this is demonstrably untrue.
Fine. Outside of America one religious group is responsible for the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in the West. To the extent that attacks carried out by any other are statistically negligible.
Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West
My point being is that this is demonstrably untrue.
Fine. Outside of America one religious group is responsible for the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in the West. To the extent that attacks carried out by any other are statistically negligible.
Anders Breviks attack is not statistically negligible 77 people died
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
I don't accept that terror attacks against the civillian populations of countries are excused like that. If the issues are with politicians and the armed forces they command, target them. Indiscriminate slaughter of people who have no say isn't a retaliation for military incompetence.
Casting it as Christian vs. Muslim is reaching. Bush said it about one theatre and his words as a president of the US hold some weight, but none of the rest of the coalition nations made any such expressions. If it were Christianity vs. Islam you might expect the terrorists to specifically target Christians/churches when launching their attacks, but, no, they're pretty indiscriminate when pursuing mass targets rather than specific individuals ( for such ghastly crimes as drawing their pedo prophet).
That post is spectacularly inaccurate, there are no excuses. To deny the rhetoric of both Bush and Blair stating their actions were drien by God is spectacularly forgetful or dishones.I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Prime Minister Tony Blair has indicated that God influenced his deliberations when he committed British troops to fight alongside American forces in Iraq.
The remarks, which surprised some antiwar campaigners, were made in an Independent Television talk show to be broadcast Saturday night. A transcript was released by the ITV station on Friday.
Mr. Blair has made no secret of his Christian faith, but he has not previously ascribed policy decisions to his religion. In the past, he refused to answer persistent questions by an interviewer about whether he had prayed with President Bush.
In the interview on the widely followed "Parkinson" show, Mr. Blair was asked about sending troops to Iraq, ITV said.
"That decision has to be taken and has to be lived with," he said, according to the ITV transcript, "and in the end there is a judgment that -- well, I think if you have faith about these things, then you realize that judgment is made by other people."
Asked to explain what he meant, he replied, "If you believe in God, it's made by God as well."
"This is not just a matter of a policy here or a thing there, but of their lives and in some case their death," he said. "The only way you can take a decision like that is to try to do the right thing, according to your conscience, and for the rest of it you leave it to the judgment that history will make."
We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
I don't accept that terror attacks against the civillian populations of countries are excused like that. If the issues are with politicians and the armed forces they command, target them. Indiscriminate slaughter of people who have no say isn't a retaliation for military incompetence.
Casting it as Christian vs. Muslim is reaching. Bush said it about one theatre and his words as a president of the US hold some weight, but none of the rest of the coalition nations made any such expressions. If it were Christianity vs. Islam you might expect the terrorists to specifically target Christians/churches when launching their attacks, but, no, they're pretty indiscriminate when pursuing mass targets rather than specific individuals ( for such ghastly crimes as drawing their pedo prophet).
You do realize that Bush's war and the resultant chaos is directly responsible for the rise of ISIS?
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:20 pm
My point being is that this is demonstrably untrue.
Fine. Outside of America one religious group is responsible for the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in the West. To the extent that attacks carried out by any other are statistically negligible.
Anders Breviks attack is not statistically negligible 77 people died
Assassination of British MP's?
Jo Cox was killed by a little Englander.
To claim that the only source of terror attacks in the west was Islamic is clearly hyperbole and you belatedly seem to be walking it back.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:59 pm
by sockwithaticket
As I said, reaching. Casting Blair saying if you believe in God then he'll be among those to judge the decision to go to war is far, far cry from saying you're invading a nation in the name of Christianity.
From your Express link:
He said: "He saw himself as the man who would free the West of a terrible dictator who was persecuting Iraqis and threatening the stability of the entire region.
"He wanted to be the man who would go down in history as the person who led the war against Saddam and brought peace and stability to the Middle East."
That is not doing something in the name of Christianity.
I didn't deny what Bush said. It remains that he didn't speak for every nation involved (frankly he didn't speak for his own nation, the neocon hawks wanted to break open the middle east for disaster capitalism, particuarly Iraq's state owned oil industry) and while I can understand those on the ground in the Middle East who've seen relatives killed perhaps not caring all that much about the distinction, those who've carried out attacks here in Europe were not typically Iraqis or Afghanis.
Fine. Outside of America one religious group is responsible for the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in the West. To the extent that attacks carried out by any other are statistically negligible.
Anders Breviks attack is not statistically negligible 77 people died
Assassination of British MP's?
Jo Cox was killed by a little Englander.
To claim that the only source of terror attacks in the west was Islamic is clearly hyperbole and you belatedly seem to be walking it back.
We were originally talking about the threat offered by Islam differentiating it from other religious groups here. As far as I know, Jo Cox was not murdered by anyone in the name of a faith. Which makes the incident somewhat irrelevant.
Not walking back so much as accepting that when I initially wrote I was primarily thinking of Europe as the West.
faces when the police respond.
