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SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:52 am Shapps out doing the broadcast rounds this morning defending Braverman

Asked whether Braverman had in part provoked the far-right violence – a view seemingly taken by the Met police, which said “a week of intense debate about protest and policing” had contributed to inflamed tensions – Shapps said it had not.
“The counterprotest was already going to happen,” he told Sky’s Trevor Phillips on Sunday show. “Those people who were going to come and try and disrupt this weekend had already said they were going to do it. They were doing it, in their own twisted way, because they were protesting themselves against other marches.”

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:10 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:52 am Shapps out doing the broadcast rounds this morning defending Braverman

Asked whether Braverman had in part provoked the far-right violence – a view seemingly taken by the Met police, which said “a week of intense debate about protest and policing” had contributed to inflamed tensions – Shapps said it had not.
“The counterprotest was already going to happen,” he told Sky’s Trevor Phillips on Sunday show. “Those people who were going to come and try and disrupt this weekend had already said they were going to do it. They were doing it, in their own twisted way, because they were protesting themselves against other marches.”

No sensible person thinks she was doing other than flicking lit matches at a haystack waiting to see if she could say "I told you there'd be a fire"

It was quite simply an utter failure of duty on her part, shameful and then some

Four men are being sought by police following a racially aggravated altercation that took place at Waterloo station yesterday.

British Transport Police (BTP) shared an image of the men asking: "Do you recognise any of these individuals?"

It added: "Officers are looking to speak to the individuals in the images who they believe may have information that could help their investigation."

Footage shared on X, formerly Twitter, shows a group of men shouting at pro-Palestinian protesters. The force said senior detectives are reviewing the footage.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm https://news.sky.com/story/four-men-sou ... n-13006381

Four men are being sought by police following a racially aggravated altercation that took place at Waterloo station yesterday.

British Transport Police (BTP) shared an image of the men asking: "Do you recognise any of these individuals?"

It added: "Officers are looking to speak to the individuals in the images who they believe may have information that could help their investigation."

Footage shared on X, formerly Twitter, shows a group of men shouting at pro-Palestinian protesters. The force said senior detectives are reviewing the footage.

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm https://news.sky.com/story/four-men-sou ... n-13006381

Four men are being sought by police following a racially aggravated altercation that took place at Waterloo station yesterday.

British Transport Police (BTP) shared an image of the men asking: "Do you recognise any of these individuals?"

It added: "Officers are looking to speak to the individuals in the images who they believe may have information that could help their investigation."

Footage shared on X, formerly Twitter, shows a group of men shouting at pro-Palestinian protesters. The force said senior detectives are reviewing the footage.

I follow the MET twitter feed...are you going to post the mugshots of everyone else they are looking for? Out of interest why just these four?

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm https://news.sky.com/story/four-men-sou ... n-13006381

Four men are being sought by police following a racially aggravated altercation that took place at Waterloo station yesterday.

British Transport Police (BTP) shared an image of the men asking: "Do you recognise any of these individuals?"

It added: "Officers are looking to speak to the individuals in the images who they believe may have information that could help their investigation."

Footage shared on X, formerly Twitter, shows a group of men shouting at pro-Palestinian protesters. The force said senior detectives are reviewing the footage.

I follow the MET twitter feed...are you going to post the mugshots of everyone else they are looking for? Out of interest why just these four?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:50 pm And to add … the ability to read is clearly not strong with you.

Well done on your continued vile behaviour.

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:29 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:50 pm And to add … the ability to read is clearly not strong with you.

Well done on your continued vile behaviour.

Oh I can read alright. I can read between your shit stirring right wing lines as well.
And fuck right off commenting on my behaviour compared to what you've been posting

Suella Braverman was right about biased, woke policing. I should know - I'm an officer on the front line

By An Anonymous Met Police Officer

00:14 12 Nov 2023, updated 12:07 12 Nov 2023

- We have seen appalling anti-Semitism, with mobs calling for jihad against Israel
- It is obvious to me – and to many of my fellow officers – that there is a clear bias

Suella Braverman was right to accuse police chiefs of 'double standards' in how they tackle different protests. And I should know – because for the past decade I have served as an officer on the Met's frontline.

What I have witnessed in recent weeks, as tens of thousands of pro-Palestinian protesters have repeatedly marched through London, has left me in despair about the future of a force to which I have dedicated my professional life.

We have seen appalling anti-Semitism, with mobs calling for jihad against Israel. My colleagues have been ordered to police these intimidating displays of disorder with the lightest of touches.

It was the same with Black Lives Matter protests and, for a long time, the hugely disruptive stunts by groups such as Just Stop Oil.

In contrast, anti-lockdown demonstrations during the pandemic were robustly dealt with by officers in full riot gear.

It is obvious to me – and to many of my fellow officers – that there is a clear bias.

This 'playing favourites' is a symptom of years of wokery and political correctness that have completely transformed the culture of the Met – and which mean the force cannot cope any longer with disputes that involve inter-ethnic conflict. Put simply, senior officers are terrified of being accused of racism if they fully enforce the law against pro-Palestinian protesters.

When there is a group of extremists within a large crowd chanting something that is clearly a hate crime – such as calling for Jews to be killed – you might expect police to force their way through and make arrests.

But in the minds of senior officers, this could spiral into a major physical confrontation, which is not an image they are comfortable with. Indeed, the idea that it is the police's job to physically confront criminals is completely lost on many of those who lead the Met.

So instead, officers are encouraged to film the protesters and try to make arrests later. The problem with this kid gloves approach – along with the obvious point that sometimes the offenders are not found – is that it causes huge damage to public confidence. Many ordinary people will conclude the police are just not on their side.

And then there is the double standard. Anti-lockdown protests were policed much more forcefully because police chiefs knew those protesters had no serious political support. As a result, there would be few complaints and MPs would not pile in and attempt to hound them out of their jobs.

The culture of fear, and desperation to avoid accusations of racism, are also why officers are so reluctant to carry out stop-and-search.

Within minutes of an officer stopping a suspect, videos of the encounter can be posted and a deluge of complaints made by the online mob.

Crucially too, there will often be no support from senior officers, who will announce the matter is being investigated.

Is it any surprise that despite knowing stop-and-search is so effective at detecting knives, officers are too frightened to use it? Meanwhile, a similar double standard and lack of political neutrality exists in the way senior officers treat their own staff.

People I know who were policing Pride celebrations this year were ordered not to wear the Thin Blue Line emblem: a black-and-white Union flag with a horizontal blue line that commemorates colleagues killed in the line of duty.

There were not the same concerns about wearing rainbow badges. In other words, some political gestures are tolerated and others are not.

Yet if you tried to make this point to many senior officers, they simply wouldn't understand.

Many of them think politics is merely about whether you vote Tory or Labour – rather than about taking the knee or the declaration of preferred pronouns on an email signature. After a big recruitment drive around a third of Met officers now have less than four years' experience. This means its culture will only become more biased in coming years.

Many of my colleagues have only known a force that is seemingly obsessed with woke causes, such as the way officers handle transgender-rights issues.

Experienced training officers are transferring out because they are concerned about the risk of offending younger recruits. One recently referred to a group of male and females as 'guys' and received a complaint for being sexist.

Many of us in the force share the public's frustration with the current state of affairs. We therefore welcome the Home Secretary's determination to call out such absurdities and her insistence on even-handedness from the force.

It's exactly what the people we serve deserve and expect.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:16 pm Well that's me convinced.
I would bet this "Anonymous" policeman does not even exist.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:34 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:16 pm Well that's me convinced.
I would bet this "Anonymous" policeman does not even exist.

I’m sure he does. I expect he’s old school met.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:34 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:16 pm Well that's me convinced.
I would bet this "Anonymous" policeman does not even exist.

I’m sure he does. I expect he’s old school met.

By that you mean corrupt, racist and homophobic and probably taking bribes and a few quid from the Press like the old days.
You do know the history of the Met I take it?
Old school met is a bit of an insult btw a euphemism for a bent copper.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:50 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:34 pm

I’m sure he does. I expect he’s old school met.

By that you mean corrupt, racist and homophobic and probably taking bribes and a few quid from the Press like the old days.
You do know the history of the Met I take it?
Old school met is a bit of an insult btw a euphemism for a bent copper.

Well, yes, probably from a time before the pendulum swung so hard left.

His suggestion of how the terrorist supporters have been not policed, are quite easily seen. You can see this evidenced on the met Twitter feed, where severe cases are being only looked at after the public report them from videos, and photos.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:54 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:50 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm

By that you mean corrupt, racist and homophobic and probably taking bribes and a few quid from the Press like the old days.
You do know the history of the Met I take it?
Old school met is a bit of an insult btw a euphemism for a bent copper.

Well, yes, probably from a time before the pendulum swung so hard left.

His suggestion of how the terrorist supporters have been not policed, are quite easily seen. You can see this evidenced on the met Twitter feed, where severe cases are being only looked at after the public report them from videos, and photos.

I suggest you read Baroness Casey's report into the Met before you make stupid comments.
Also have a look at the previous investigations into Met corruption going back decades.
To suggest the Met police are lefties is perhaps the most stupid and ill informed crap anyone has ever posted given their history.
Not some made up insults based upon reactionary populist myths.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:08 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:54 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:50 pm

Well, yes, probably from a time before the pendulum swung so hard left.

His suggestion of how the terrorist supporters have been not policed, are quite easily seen. You can see this evidenced on the met Twitter feed, where severe cases are being only looked at after the public report them from videos, and photos.

I suggest you read Baroness Casey's report into the Met before you make stupid comments.
Also have a look at the previous investigations into Met corruption going back decades.
To suggest the Met police are lefties is perhaps the most stupid and ill informed crap anyone has ever posted given their history.
Not some made up insults based upon reactionary populist myths.

I actually thought we were conversing here. My mistake.

So, I do think the met have a demonstrable bias, and the relative treatment between the right wingers and the terrorist supporters showed that. This is exactly as mentioned in the article.

The publisher will have verified the person was in the Met. They are anonymous to us but not to the mail.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:16 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:08 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:54 pm
I suggest you read Baroness Casey's report into the Met before you make stupid comments.
Also have a look at the previous investigations into Met corruption going back decades.
To suggest the Met police are lefties is perhaps the most stupid and ill informed crap anyone has ever posted given their history.
Not some made up insults based upon reactionary populist myths.

I actually thought we were conversing here. My mistake.

So, I do think the met have a demonstrable bias, and the relative treatment between the right wingers and the terrorist supporters showed that. This is exactly as mentioned in the article.

The publisher will have verified the person was in the Met. They are anonymous to us but not to the mail.

Sorry I have an issue with the Mails sources.
Remember the phone hacking scandal and it is now being taken to court for more phone hacking and using private detectives to liaise with corrupt police officers and gain illegal information.
It's not a reliable source. If you think the Met is a jhot bed of lefties you are mad
You know nothing about for instance Sir Robert Marks or the Ellison review. Come back and discuss the Met and the Mail when you can discuss it in an informed manner.
If you are so poorly informed sorry but you will not be able to converse on this matter without having a hard wired google web link directly to your brain.
Apologies if it sounds harsh but it's axiomatic.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:33 pm trying to paint the Met as left wing or progressive liberals isn't quite as nuts as Liz Truss claiming she was cruelly undermined by a cabal of left wing international bond traders, but it's certainly either delusional or a comment being made in bad faith

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:37 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:16 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:08 pm

I actually thought we were conversing here. My mistake.

So, I do think the met have a demonstrable bias, and the relative treatment between the right wingers and the terrorist supporters showed that. This is exactly as mentioned in the article.

The publisher will have verified the person was in the Met. They are anonymous to us but not to the mail.

Sorry I have an issue with the Mails sources.
Remember the phone hacking scandal and it is now being taken to court for more phone hacking and using private detectives to liaise with corrupt police officers and gain illegal information.
It's not a reliable source. If you think the Met is a jhot bed of lefties you are mad
You know nothing about for instance Sir Robert Marks or the Ellison review. Come back and discuss the Met and the Mail when you can discuss it in an informed manner.
If you are so poorly informed sorry but you will not be able to converse on this matter without having a hard wired google web link directly to your brain.
Apologies if it sounds harsh but it's axiomatic.

You are talking about the old met of the 90’s and conflating it with now. The discredited report was 25 years ago. Not even in this millennium.

The officer indicated how quickly the swing had taken place. If you read that part. So please get off your high horse, and drop the nonsense word salad.

I’d tend to suggest the mail might these days be very careful about verifying their sources. But you can choose to not believe it.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:37 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:16 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:08 pm

I actually thought we were conversing here. My mistake.

So, I do think the met have a demonstrable bias, and the relative treatment between the right wingers and the terrorist supporters showed that. This is exactly as mentioned in the article.

The publisher will have verified the person was in the Met. They are anonymous to us but not to the mail.

Sorry I have an issue with the Mails sources.
Remember the phone hacking scandal and it is now being taken to court for more phone hacking and using private detectives to liaise with corrupt police officers and gain illegal information.
It's not a reliable source. If you think the Met is a jhot bed of lefties you are mad
You know nothing about for instance Sir Robert Marks or the Ellison review. Come back and discuss the Met and the Mail when you can discuss it in an informed manner.
If you are so poorly informed sorry but you will not be able to converse on this matter without having a hard wired google web link directly to your brain.
Apologies if it sounds harsh but it's axiomatic.

You are talking about the old met of the 90’s and conflating it with now. The discredited report was 25 years ago. Not even in this millennium.

The officer indicated how quickly the swing had taken place. If you read that part. So please get off your high horse, and drop the nonsense word salad.

I’d tend to suggest the mail might these days be very careful about verifying their sources. But you can choose to not believe it.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:56 pm It was based on a 97 report.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:56 pm It was based on a 97 report.

No
Recognising the grave levels of public concern following the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard by a serving Met officer and other deeply troubling incidents, the Metropolitan Police Service (the Met) appointed Baroness Louise Casey to lead an independent review of its culture and standards of behaviour.

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:31 pm So on one hand we’ve a number of independent reports cataloging the racism, misogyny and homophobia in the met over a number of years, on the other hand some clown has given us an article from an anonymous person claiming the met is full on tofu eating woke.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:21 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:39 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:33 pm trying to paint the Met as left wing or progressive liberals isn't quite as nuts as Liz Truss claiming she was cruelly undermined by a cabal of left wing international bond traders, but it's certainly either delusional or a comment being made in bad faith

I disagree, YMX has a right to his opinions. I sincerely believe is posting in good faith and that he believes what he posts.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:26 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:21 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:26 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:21 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:33 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:26 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:21 pm

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

There is the possibility that your intuition is flawed. If you refuse to consider that, you're not being open minded.