NPR

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:54 pm

Much as I know you're joking (a bit) the problem is public life in the UK, it's institutions and authorities, doesn't take technical and scientific education as a significant contributor to the public discourse, wellbeing, economy or society. It's a deep fundamental flaw in the UK.

People joke about, and seem proud of, being terrible at maths. If they said the same about reading people would be embarrassed for them.

Fwiw people’s literacy is awful as well, people are just a little bit more circumspect about admitting it.

Very few people can read and digest long stretches of text, and even fewer can write in full sentences. We’re a poorly educated country

Which might be alright if you're operating a till in ASDA, or flogging a product, but if you're planning on leading a Country, & approving policies that will effect the lives of tens of millions, then it isn't too much to expect a level of numeracy, & literacy from that person to be able to parse pretty basic presentations from experts, & make an informed decision, or just an honesty that their own skills aren't up to the job, & an acceptance of the judgement of the experts !

But, "Fuck the Experts", wasn't just a rallying cry for Brexit; it was a justification for all manner of policies that were harmful, & were the Tories giving the middle finger to the Electorate.

Agreed! I was feckin amazed when I was working to come across folk who smiled at me and joyfully said 'I dont do numbers' - this included a number of folk in middle manger roles. It was staggering how many couldn't understand their monthly financial reports from the finance folk, who couldn't project forward their current dept performance, etc. However I saw real damage and harm associated with the 'I dont do numbers' mentality - in healthcare for example I came across a number of incidents/near misses where a clinician miscalculated the drugs required for a patient based on their weight and got the decimal point in the wrong place! I also had to send back numerous excel spreadsheets to folk where the rows didnt add up to the same amount as the columns (dont ask) or they came to an 'answer' which was multiples out from the correct figure and couldn't understand how I could say it was wrong in seconds just by looking at it and doing a quick estimate of the range the answer should have fitted into.

Simian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:58 pm



Community Notes doing a fine job

Can you explain why that’s amusing to you, YMX?

The linked BBC apology is the BBC apologising for describing the Pro-Palestine demonstrations in London as ‘demonstrations in support of Hamas’.

Given your comments on here, I’m surprised you considered their original comment misinformation that they should apologise for, tbh.

A cynical person might think you hadn’t actually read the linked article you highlighted and had assumed it was the BBC having to apologise for being all woke and lefty.

He is not the brightest tbh.
Stop being mean to him.

dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:12 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:51 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm

Fwiw people’s literacy is awful as well, people are just a little bit more circumspect about admitting it.

Very few people can read and digest long stretches of text, and even fewer can write in full sentences. We’re a poorly educated country

Which might be alright if you're operating a till in ASDA, or flogging a product, but if you're planning on leading a Country, & approving policies that will effect the lives of tens of millions, then it isn't too much to expect a level of numeracy, & literacy from that person to be able to parse pretty basic presentations from experts, & make an informed decision, or just an honesty that their own skills aren't up to the job, & an acceptance of the judgement of the experts !

But, "Fuck the Experts", wasn't just a rallying cry for Brexit; it was a justification for all manner of policies that were harmful, & were the Tories giving the middle finger to the Electorate.

Agreed! I was feckin amazed when I was working to come across folk who smiled at me and joyfully said 'I dont do numbers' - this included a number of folk in middle manger roles. It was staggering how many couldn't understand their monthly financial reports from the finance folk, who couldn't project forward their current dept performance, etc. However I saw real damage and harm associated with the 'I dont do numbers' mentality - in healthcare for example I came across a number of incidents/near misses where a clinician miscalculated the drugs required for a patient based on their weight and got the decimal point in the wrong place! I also had to send back numerous excel spreadsheets to folk where the rows didnt add up to the same amount as the columns (dont ask) or they came to an 'answer' which was multiples out from the correct figure and couldn't understand how I could say it was wrong in seconds just by looking at it and doing a quick estimate of the range the answer should have fitted into.

This makes me think of an anecdote, We were in a supermarket in France buying stuff for a job (French supermarkets sell everything) and when we got to the checkout my boss asked the young lass if he could have a vat receipt. She said that they didn't do them at the supermarket but she promptly wrote down what the amount of TVA (vat) was on the till receipt. It was pretty impressive, it was a fairly difficult sum, TVA was about 17.5% iirc and the total cost wasn't straight forward, ie it was like 876 francs as was, I couldn't do that in my head.

We checked it on a calculator when we got back to the van and she was bang on.

Simian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:58 pm



Community Notes doing a fine job

Can you explain why that’s amusing to you, YMX?

The linked BBC apology is the BBC apologising for describing the Pro-Palestine demonstrations in London as ‘demonstrations in support of Hamas’.

Given your comments on here, I’m surprised you considered their original comment misinformation that they should apologise for, tbh.

A cynical person might think you hadn’t actually read the linked article you highlighted and had assumed it was the BBC having to apologise for being all woke and lefty.

Seriously

The BBC having the temerity to advise on spotting misinformation on this conflict, when they have become a global laughingstock of one sided misinformation.

But you knew that.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 am

Simian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:58 pm



Community Notes doing a fine job

Can you explain why that’s amusing to you, YMX?

The linked BBC apology is the BBC apologising for describing the Pro-Palestine demonstrations in London as ‘demonstrations in support of Hamas’.

Given your comments on here, I’m surprised you considered their original comment misinformation that they should apologise for, tbh.

A cynical person might think you hadn’t actually read the linked article you highlighted and had assumed it was the BBC having to apologise for being all woke and lefty.

He is not the brightest tbh.
Stop being mean to him.

Pipe down you pikey little scrote

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:18 am

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:17 am

Simian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Can you explain why that’s amusing to you, YMX?

The linked BBC apology is the BBC apologising for describing the Pro-Palestine demonstrations in London as ‘demonstrations in support of Hamas’.

Given your comments on here, I’m surprised you considered their original comment misinformation that they should apologise for, tbh.

A cynical person might think you hadn’t actually read the linked article you highlighted and had assumed it was the BBC having to apologise for being all woke and lefty.

He is not the brightest tbh.
Stop being mean to him.

Pipe down you pikey little scrote

FFS I am defending your honour.
Btw please stop using racist terms.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:54 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:36 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:29 pm

One has a profit motive behind their incompetence. The other has incompetence behind their incompetence.

You tricked me. We agree!

I'm literally just about to leave to do an interview with STV on our new local clean water action group - Porty Water Collective.

I think just fixing incompetence might be achievable. Fixing the profit motive might be rather more difficult.

Akk, OK, maybe we are not as close to agreement as I thought.

An example, we have been testing the water at the same point as SEPA all summer and our results were broadly in agreement. However, SEPA only test for 4 months of the year (the bathing season, apparently no one uses the water outwith this), so we tested for the 4 days after they officially stopped there and the results went through the roof for ecoli and other shite. The conclusion being that Scottish Water took the opportunity to dump as much as possible as soon as they thought they weren't being watched - there was no rain over those 4 days, so completely illegal.

That's not incompetence, that's utter cuntyness.

petej wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:15 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:13 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:29 pm

One has a profit motive behind their incompetence. The other has incompetence behind their incompetence.

If the public body proves true incompetence it makes it easier to advance the case for privatisation, so there could be an underling profit motive behind some of the worst of the decision making, no need to overlook the incompetence but they could be corrupt too is all

Scottish Water are unlikely to be anywhere near as bad the likes of southern water or wessex water. While undoubtedly they will be shit sometimes the scale will far lower. Spent quite a bit of time around environmental scientists recently who have worked for EA, wessex water, Southern water and dŵr cymru. It was interesting the former EA employee can remember 10 years ago being asked to move water monitoring from downstream to upstream of sewage outlets. While dŵr cymru are not great at least there is more honesty and an interest in improving things. Southern and wessex was soul destroying as they are totally dishonest and couldn't give a shit.

See above, but also, we have no idea how bad it is here. Only 8% of outflows are monitored here, compared to 90%+ in England, so they are not being held to any accountability in 92% of the country. From what we know of where it is monitored, it's disastrous. Sheer numbers mean the scale isn't going to be the same, but Scottish Water don't deserve any leeway at all.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:17 am
The BBC having the temerity to advise on spotting misinformation on this conflict, when they have become a global laughingstock of one sided misinformation.

I can't find anything that says that, quite the opposite in some cases like in the USA, there is a piece from a couple of months ago stating that BBC news is the most trusted in that country after local tv news, but ahead of Fox, New York Times, CBS, ABC, Wall Street Journal, etc - this was just one source mind and there may be others saying something else.

But you knew that.

This constant presenting of the post you're replying to as being in bad faith is all a bit needy and it undermines your own argument - the "you" can be "one" here, I mean it in general rather than personal

To be fair, it is amusing seeing the BBC talk about spotting disinformation, when they were one of the first to publish about Israel killing 500 in a hospital bombing, that turns out to be a misfired Hamas rocket. And then again, when Israel entered Al Shifa, they managed to misread the Reuters report, and instead of saying that Israel took in teams of Arab speakers and medics, they instead claimed that Israel were targeting Arab speakers and Medics (apparently no one thought to think perhaps they'll just read the Reuters report again to be sure). They've also published Mr Fafo footage.

The BBC have been an absolute embarrassment during this war. Their website has been similar for years now, ridiculously credulous when it suits the political views of the author. They are not what they were and their reporting has to be treated with massive caution

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:11 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:48 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm

Fwiw people’s literacy is awful as well, people are just a little bit more circumspect about admitting it.

Very few people can read and digest long stretches of text, and even fewer can write in full sentences. We’re a poorly educated country

Over what sort of period has this occurred?
Why has this happened?

Well, from the teaching side of things, by the time a lot of them arrive at secondary school they're already years behind on their literacy attainment and there's no particular effort to catch them up. A year 7 who can barely read and write shouldn't be doing IT lessons where they fuck about on a Macbook for an hour, they should be in concerted interventionist literacy programs. Assuming of course that the support staff exist to facilitate such things (which they do not).

The next big problem is parents. A lot of literacy attainment is achieved at home by parents reading to their kids and encouraging the habit of reading. Those who don't value it/don't like it for whatever reason impart that to their kids and tend to furnish them with counter-productive attitudes to what interventions are available to schools.

I think holding kids back might focus the minds of both parents and children. There's very little point passing them up through the years with their literacy still dragging horribly.

I'm not old enough and wasn't in teaching long enough to begin to suggest where the problem started, but this Tory government's certainly not helped

It may have gotten worse (or better) under the current Tories, but I’m referencing people in work, so educated under some combo of Thatcher - Brown.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:58 pm

Marianna Spring, BBC’s first disinformation specialist who was caught lying on her CV when applying for a journalist job. Not just a little lie but a blatant one about working with a BBC journalist when she never did. That was immediately found out and got her castigated by the person she was applying to. She didn’t get that job, but she landed a much cushier one with the BBC, so I guess well done to her.

She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

In other news a miracle has happenned.
2.4 million people can now work.
Cured over night.

The blind can see, the deaf can hear, the in pain are now pain free, the crippled can walk, the insane can reason, 2.4 million jobs are ready and waiting for them.


Lucky there has been a christmas miracle..where all are cured..because if they can't work, the tories will ensure they will now freeze and starve.

minister has been asked why the benefits of hundreds of sick and disabled claimants are apparently being sanctioned, even though they should not have to meet any of the strict conditions imposed by the government’s new universal credit system.

Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show that more than 1,100 claimants of universal credit were being sanctioned in February this year (1,108), even though they had been moved into the “working enough” or “no work-related requirement” group.

They have usually been moved into these groups because they have been found not “fit for work” or are not expected to look for jobs.

The figures also show a striking increase in the number of claimants in these two groups who were being sanctioned from January 2017 (649) to February 2017 (1,109).

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

The claim comes from a survey on conspiracy theories and the role of Wing nut Weekly, sorry, "alternative media".

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/ ... public.pdf


It covers covid topics, the great replacement theory, climate change etc

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:30 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am


Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

The claim comes from a survey on conspiracy theories and the role of Wing nut Weekly, sorry, "alternative media".

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/ ... public.pdf


It covers covid topics, the great replacement theory, climate change etc

I appreciate it's always easy to question the methods, but I'd suggest any survey about conspiracies is going to be a little bit self-selecting......

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:36 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:30 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

The claim comes from a survey on conspiracy theories and the role of Wing nut Weekly, sorry, "alternative media".

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/ ... public.pdf


It covers covid topics, the great replacement theory, climate change etc

I appreciate it's always easy to question the methods, but I'd suggest any survey about conspiracies is going to be a little bit self-selecting......

Perhaps, I wouldn't know, but some of the survey details are at the bottom, 2274 adults, data weighted for age, sex, region and social grade

I find the rise of the conspiracy theory, almost always right wing nut job, phenomenon a bit of worry, it's deliberate too, it means you can make your own facts and truths, you don't have to listen to experts of any kind.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:30 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am


Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

The claim comes from a survey on conspiracy theories and the role of Wing nut Weekly, sorry, "alternative media".

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/ ... public.pdf


It covers covid topics, the great replacement theory, climate change etc

come on, does it pass the sniff test, 1 in 4 british adults think COVId isnt real? really?

its obviously nonsense but from the little ive seen of the bbcs misinformation specialist, she needs to exagerate this stuff as part of her job/ to make money

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:15 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:30 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

The claim comes from a survey on conspiracy theories and the role of Wing nut Weekly, sorry, "alternative media".

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/ ... public.pdf


It covers covid topics, the great replacement theory, climate change etc

come on, does it pass the sniff test, 1 in 4 british adults think COVId isnt real? really?

I'm telling you where she (probably) got her information from. I haven't heard what she said on the podcast, would you mind quoting her verbatim?

Did you read though the survey to see what it's actually saying?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

Fewer, what do you think?

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:36 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

Fewer, what do you think?

I would hope far fewer, but then I would hope far fewer people get taken in by the Tories and all sort of reactionary right wing nonsense, so what do I know?

so you think more ?

this looks



more likely than this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ries-finds

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:42 pm so you think more ?

How tf can you think I said the opposite to what I said?

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:45 pm this looks



more likely than this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ries-finds

You didn't read the survey, did you?

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:15 pm come on, does it pass the sniff test, 1 in 4 british adults think COVId isnt real? really?

its obviously nonsense but from the little ive seen of the bbcs misinformation specialist, she needs to exagerate this stuff as part of her job/ to make money

I've looked at a lot of UK polling down the years. In the UK 9% saying Covid was definitely a hoax and 14% saying it was probably a hoax, looks about right to me.

About 10% to 30% of the UK population believes completely crazy stuff, you see similar percentages for loony repeated over many different topics. Before the Brexit referendum 46% of Leave voters thought if they won the result would be rigged against them (so around 25% of those who said they were voting). Other polling on Brexit and everything people were prepared to sacrifice to make it happen, was for a not insignificant group breaking up the UK being worth Brexit. All the polling I've seen on if the UK should have a dictator, same story. Anything on racism is the same story, about a quarter self describe as racist when they can do so anonymously.

The biggest marker for someone believing crazy shit, is already believing other crazy shit. It's why there's huge cross over between anti-vaxxers, great replacement believers, 9/11 truthers, climate denial, people that want a dictator, and on and on. As soon as anyone lets in anything thoroughly irrational, more crazy shit piles in through the open door and before long they're hosting multitudes. It's never much below 10% in the UK.

It's why the Tories hammer Brexit and immigration so hard, they can net all the crazies with those topics and can get some otherwise rational people onboard with those topics too, add that total to the tribal voters who will always vote Tory. Then they become a loony party they are now. The Covid stuff was there among their MPs too, Bridgen (a big Brexiter and ERG member) equated vaccines to the Holocaust and has supported theories about Covid being invented by the US military, he was a member of the CRG (Covid Recovery Group) that included many other Tory MPs. He was also part of the Tory Net Zero Scrutiny Group. He got booted from the Tory party when he started on the Holocaust stuff, but he was just the most vocal.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:06 am The BBC have been an absolute embarrassment during this war. Their website has been similar for years now, ridiculously credulous when it suits the political views of the author. They are not what they were and their reporting has to be treated with massive caution

Indeed.

Now onto Douglas Murray with the weather.

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:45 pm this looks



more likely than this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ries-finds

The phrasing in the two surveys is quite different though. I can absolutely believe that relatively few people in the UK agree with the claim that ‘coronavirus doesn’t exist’ but that a much larger proportion would agree that ‘the Covid pandemic was a hoax’. A lot of people seemed to think (and still think) that coronavirus was real but that the ‘pandemic’ was a storm in a teacup. I can see a decent chunk of that whole ‘it’s no different than seasonal flu etc’ crowd disagreeing with the first claim but agreeing with the second claim, basically.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:14 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:11 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:48 am
She also claimed in her BBC podcast that 25% of Brits believe COVID is a hoax. Yeah right........

Do you think more or fewer Brits believe Covid is a hoax?

That it doesn't exist? I'd hope fewer.

I'd say a lot more don't trust the government's response and many of the recommendations given. In part, perhaps, as many of the key figures in government didn't follow these recommendations themselves.

That's because of their core belief that rules only apply to little people rather than any Covid related reason, though.

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:45 pm this looks



more likely than this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ries-finds

Just focusing on the UK results (1k for each country isn't that large of sample, the minimum needed, I couldn't find their margin of error). It does support 10% being the baseline for how many in the UK are entirely capable of believing anything. From their other answers I expect from this sample if the proposition of "Covid being intentionally created by a secret group" (ie not a lab leak, but made as a weapon and released) was put to them a higher number would agree. Their Covid answer is a bit of an outlier. It's important to silo the propositions though if something like "Covid was invented by Satan worshipping paedophiles who were behind 9/11, faked the moon landings, and run the world" was put forward, it would probably get lower true results than each proposition individually (the Covid statement does combine two propositions, Covid being invented by a secret group and not existing).

Think of the most crazy Saffas you've come across (we both know what that means), 10% of the UK is as insane.

(statements paraphrased)
US government was behind 9/11: definitely true 3%, probably true 9%.
Trump's team knowingly colluded with Russia to win the 2016 US election: definitely true 8%, probably true 34%.
The truth about vaccines is being deliberately hidden: definitely true 4%, probably true 10%.
Regardless of who officially is in charge of governments and other organisations there is a single group of people secretly controlling events and ruling the world: definitely true 8%, probably true 13%.
Man-made global warming is a hoax invented to deceive people: definitely true 2%, probably true 6%.
Humans have made contact with aliens and this fact has been deliberately hidden: definitely true 3%, probably true 12%.
AIDS was created by a secret group or organisation: definitely true 1%, probably true 6%.
The Holocaust is a lie: definitely true 2%, probably true 3%.
The moon landings are fake: definitely true 3%, probably true 7%.
Covid is a myth created by powerful secret forces and does not exist: definitely true 2%, probably true 2%.
Secret Satan worshipping paedophiles have taken control of parts of the US government and media: definitely true 1%, probably true 7%.
The 2020 US election was stolen from Trump by forces using voter fraud: definitely true 3%, probably true 10%.

No surprise the number of fruitloops in India.

I know it's the Torygraph, but this level of delusion should see the writer committed on a Psych hold for 72hrs, while medical professionals try to work out of the person is a risk to themselves, or the entire Country.

Boris may be one of the few politicians to come out of the Covid inquiry with any credit

He was right that the scientists got many things wrong

In his testimony to the Covid Inquiry, the Chief Scientific Adviser was scathing about Boris Johnson. As a classics graduate, the Prime Minister couldn’t understand what he was told - he was “clearly bamboozled”.

The Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, in his evidence today was less critical. He said the operation around the PM was “chaotic”, but how he made decisions was “unique to him”, and he believed other governments faced similar issues.

Vallance said that Johnson was confused and often changed his mind, and his testimony highlighted his discontentment with the approach of Johnson. Yet, a lack of decisiveness is not a sin; Boris was trying to understand an extensive array of evidence and doomsday modellers’ scenarios. He seemed flexible in his thinking and responded to emerging evidence.

...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/1 ... -heneghan/

As usual with the TG, just press Esc before the page fully loads to bypass the paywall

Was it the cunt being "flexible" in his thinking when he got bored with lockdowns, & suggested it'd be better to let the bodies pile high ?, or is the Torygraph advocating his position that the elderly have had their time, & they should just fuck off & die rather than expecting the rest of the population to lockdown ?

.... and of course, no mention of the parties ....

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:38 pm I know it's the Torygraph, but this level of delusion should see the writer committed on a Psych hold for 72hrs, while medical professionals try to work out of the person is a risk to themselves, or the entire Country.

Boris may be one of the few politicians to come out of the Covid inquiry with any credit

He was right that the scientists got many things wrong

In his testimony to the Covid Inquiry, the Chief Scientific Adviser was scathing about Boris Johnson. As a classics graduate, the Prime Minister couldn’t understand what he was told - he was “clearly bamboozled”.

The Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, in his evidence today was less critical. He said the operation around the PM was “chaotic”, but how he made decisions was “unique to him”, and he believed other governments faced similar issues.

Vallance said that Johnson was confused and often changed his mind, and his testimony highlighted his discontentment with the approach of Johnson. Yet, a lack of decisiveness is not a sin; Boris was trying to understand an extensive array of evidence and doomsday modellers’ scenarios. He seemed flexible in his thinking and responded to emerging evidence.

...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/1 ... -heneghan/

As usual with the TG, just press Esc before the page fully loads to bypass the paywall

Was it the cunt being "flexible" in his thinking when he got bored with lockdowns, & suggested it'd be better to let the bodies pile high ?, or is the Torygraph advocating his position that the elderly have had their time, & they should just fuck off & die rather than expecting the rest of the population to lockdown ?

.... and of course, no mention of the parties ....

I watched some of Vallance's evidence. Even for the Torygraph that is an extraordinarily selective and generous reading of what was said about Johnson.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:59 pm No surprise the number of fruitloops in India.

or in SA. I still think the guardian headline "Quarter in UK believe Covid was a hoax, poll on conspiracy theories finds" is deliberately misleading, same for what the bbc "disinformation" chick said on her podcast

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:58 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:38 pm I know it's the Torygraph, but this level of delusion should see the writer committed on a Psych hold for 72hrs, while medical professionals try to work out of the person is a risk to themselves, or the entire Country.

Boris may be one of the few politicians to come out of the Covid inquiry with any credit

He was right that the scientists got many things wrong

In his testimony to the Covid Inquiry, the Chief Scientific Adviser was scathing about Boris Johnson. As a classics graduate, the Prime Minister couldn’t understand what he was told - he was “clearly bamboozled”.

The Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, in his evidence today was less critical. He said the operation around the PM was “chaotic”, but how he made decisions was “unique to him”, and he believed other governments faced similar issues.

Vallance said that Johnson was confused and often changed his mind, and his testimony highlighted his discontentment with the approach of Johnson. Yet, a lack of decisiveness is not a sin; Boris was trying to understand an extensive array of evidence and doomsday modellers’ scenarios. He seemed flexible in his thinking and responded to emerging evidence.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/1 ... -heneghan/

As usual with the TG, just press Esc before the page fully loads to bypass the paywall

Was it the cunt being "flexible" in his thinking when he got bored with lockdowns, & suggested it'd be better to let the bodies pile high ?, or is the Torygraph advocating his position that the elderly have had their time, & they should just fuck off & die rather than expecting the rest of the population to lockdown ?

.... and of course, no mention of the parties ....

I watched some of Vallance's evidence. Even for the Torygraph that is an extraordinarily selective and generous reading of what was said about Johnson.

Whitty is still 'on the books' is he not so will inevitably be careful with his responses as a serving civil servant. He is also a very clever man and more than an equal for Hugo Keith KC and watching them clash has been very good to watch. However even from Whitty's guarded evidence it is clear that the Blond Tub of Lard was less than mediocre as PM. The evidence from all those who have appeared is beginning to build a pretty scathing picture of the Blonde Bumblecunt and his lack of intellectual and empathetic capacity in dealing with the pandemic, or indeed dealing with anything in his professional or private life.

To date in both Enquiry Modules to date, the likes of Whitty and Vallance have been the most credible and intellectually able witnesses. The senior civil servants have been a mixed bag but many show considerably less capability but greater arrogance than the scientific advisors. The politicians and their political advisors have and will no doubt be shown to be the least able of all the witnesses, the least able and the least trustworthy of all witnesses to date.

Wooo! from Jan, I will be £62.83 per month better off. I'm definitely voting for the cunts now

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:40 pm Wooo! from Jan, I will be £62.83 per month better off. I'm definitely voting for the cunts now

"a freeze on alcohol duty"

Nice one Jezza

The state pension increase would probably fund a nuclear power station