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FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:29 pm 1995 - 7
2007 - 7
2019 - 9

15 André Joubert
14 Cheslin Kolbe
13 Jaque Fourie
12 François Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
10 Joel Stransky
9 Joost van der Westhuizen

8 Duane Vermeulen
7 PSDT
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Victor Matfield
4 Kobus Wiese
3  Steven Kitshoff
2 Malcolm Marx
1 Os du Randt


16 Bismarck du Plessis
17 Beast Mwtawarira
18 Ruben Kruger
19 Eben Etzebeth
20 Garry Pagel
21 Faf
22 JP Pietersen
23 Lukhanyo Am
Surely a typo?

And massive call to pick Faf ahead of FdP on the bench.

Good game this.
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handyman wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:56 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:29 pm 1995 - 7
2007 - 7
2019 - 9

15 André Joubert
14 Cheslin Kolbe
13 Jaque Fourie
12 François Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
10 Joel Stransky
9 Joost van der Westhuizen

8 Duane Vermeulen
7 PSDT
6 Siya Kolisi
5 Victor Matfield
4 Kobus Wiese
3  Steven Kitshoff
2 Malcolm Marx
1 Os du Randt


16 Bismarck du Plessis
17 Beast Mwtawarira
18 Ruben Kruger
19 Eben Etzebeth
20 Garry Pagel
21 Faf
22 JP Pietersen
23 Lukhanyo Am
Surely a typo?

And massive call to pick Faf ahead of FdP on the bench.

Good game this.
Yep. Should be Frans Malherbe. Trying to stick to the 7 per team with scrumhalf. Fourie du Preez is neck and neck with Joost for me. Can't divide them.
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Best Boks who never won a world (post 1995).

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11. Pieter Roussow
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8. Gary Teichmann
7. Andre Venter
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5. Andries Bekker
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2. James Dalton
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FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:30 pm Best Boks who never won a world (post 1995).

15. Pat Lambie
14. Cornal Hendricks
13. Stefan Terblanche*
12. Jan Serfontein
11. Pieter Roussow
10. Henry Honiball
9. Francois Hougaard
8. Gary Teichmann
7. Andre Venter
6. Heinrich Brüssow
5. Andries Bekker
4. Flip van der Merwe
3. Wilco Louw
2. Adriaan Strauss
1. Gurthrö Steenkamp

16. Pat Cilliers
17. Chilliboy Ralepelle
18. Coenie Oosthuizen
19. Willem Alberts
20. Joe van Niekerk
21. Marcel Coetzee
22. Jano Vermaark
23. Morne Steyn

* might be a rumor he even played for the Boks
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boere wors wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:19 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:30 pm Best Boks who never won a world (post 1995).

15. Pat Lambie
14. Cornal Hendricks
13. Stefan Terblanche*
12. Jan Serfontein
11. Pieter Roussow
10. Henry Honiball
9. Francois Hougaard
8. Gary Teichmann
7. Andre Venter
6. Heinrich Brüssow
5. Andries Bekker
4. Flip van der Merwe
3. Wilco Louw
2. Adriaan Strauss
1. Gurthrö Steenkamp

16. Pat Cilliers
17. Chilliboy Ralepelle
18. Coenie Oosthuizen
19. Willem Alberts
20. Joe van Niekerk
21. Marcel Coetzee
22. Jano Vermaark
23. Morne Steyn

* might be a rumor he even played for the Boks
Wasn't he in the 2007 squad?
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SPOTLIGHT: Springbok legend Joel Stransky believes Handre Pollard is not enjoying his rugby with the Springboks.

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In an interview with Leicester Mercury’s Bobby Bridge, Stransky spoke about Pollard’s role within the Bok team and his upcoming move to the Leicester Tigers, a club Stransky represented between 1997 and 1999.

Pollard, who is currently playing for French club Montpellier, will join his new club at the end of the current season to fill the No.10 vacancy created by George Ford’s move to Sale Sharks.

Stransky is hoping that the 27-year-old will be given a chance to play to his full potential in England.

“I was delighted for him and the Tigers,” Stransky told the Leicester Mercury.

“Because firstly, I think he has played in a game plan that doesn’t suit him for the past couple of seasons.

“I think the Springboks have evolved to a game plan that is great with where the laws of the game are, it’s great for the makeup of our team. There’s two ways to pick your team and ours is very much about picking the biggest, strongest pack of forwards we can and some speedy backs and then we play a game plan that is forward dominated. It doesn’t give too much control or influence to the number ten.

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“As much as in his early days he shone and was outstanding, in the last two or three seasons, I would guess, if you were to have a quiet conversation with him, completely off the record, I would guess that his work satisfaction levels are quite low.

“He can’t admit anywhere in public that he doesn’t back the game plan, but I can’t believe he is enjoying playing the game plan. I can’t believe he gets great satisfaction from playing that way, it’s completely foreign to a player of his skillset.

“He has got an amazing skill set. He’s a little bit bigger than most flyhalves. He attacks the gain line, he’s nimble, he’s strong, he’s got a great offload game.

“He reads the game well when he’s given the authority to read it. His kicking game is really solid. He’s a really complete footballer. He just plays in a team where the success of that team is based on a game plan that doesn’t suit him.

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“I think when he gets to the Tigers he will hopefully be given, I don’t want to say leeway, but he will be given the opportunity to go and blossom again. He’s such a really cool young man, with so much talent. I think he will flourish at Leicester. It’s a club that really embraces the players, the people, it’s a community that embraces the club and its player.”

‘The worst job satisfaction’
Pollard has had his fair share of criticism for his performances this year with many believing that the ACL injury he suffered in 2020 played a role in his form.

“There is a view that he’s lost a little spark since that ACL injury, that he’s not quite the player he was. I am not convinced about that,” Stransky added.

“I think he has the worst job satisfaction in the world as a rugby player at the moment. He must be hating playing in a game plan where he doesn’t get the ball, where he’s not in control.

“There’s no opportunity to run at defensive lines and do backline moves and free up the likes of Damian de Allende and Lukhanyo Am. To stand there and watch the scrumhalf kick 90 percent of the ball away, he must be wanting to pull his hair out and vomit on the field.”

When Pollard does head over to Leicester next year he will be reunited with Aled Walters (Head of Physical Performance).

Walters was part of the coaching team that guided the Springboks to World Cup glory in 2019.

Pollard said Walters “was a big factor” behind his decision to move to Leicester.

“As much as Aled is a wonderful guy, and unbelievably good at what he does, the opportunity for Handre to work with him and hopefully restore those legs back to 100 percent is in his thinking, but I don’t think it’s the be-all and end-all,” said Stransky.

“I think for him it’s an opportunity to go and play rugby at a rugby club in a rugby city in a rugby environment, where he will be loved and respected and he can hopefully, under the coaching team at Tigers who are doing an unbelievable job, and play a game plan that really suits him.”

Source: Leicester Mercury
Ok.

I would think that Joel is about right.
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Chilli wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:57 am
boere wors wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:19 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:30 pm Best Boks who never won a world (post 1995).

15. Pat Lambie
14. Cornal Hendricks
13. Stefan Terblanche*
12. Jan Serfontein
11. Pieter Roussow
10. Henry Honiball
9. Francois Hougaard
8. Gary Teichmann
7. Andre Venter
6. Heinrich Brüssow
5. Andries Bekker
4. Flip van der Merwe
3. Wilco Louw
2. Adriaan Strauss
1. Gurthrö Steenkamp

16. Pat Cilliers
17. Chilliboy Ralepelle
18. Coenie Oosthuizen
19. Willem Alberts
20. Joe van Niekerk
21. Marcel Coetzee
22. Jano Vermaark
23. Morne Steyn

* might be a rumor he even played for the Boks
Wasn't he in the 2007 squad?
Just checked... you are right, I couldnt remember. So who instead? Deon Greyling? :grin:
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The Springbok Bible

http://www.genslin.us/bokke/
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:40 am The Springbok Bible

http://www.genslin.us/bokke/
Pretty cool, cheers
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boere wors wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:21 am
Chilli wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:57 am
boere wors wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:19 am
Wasn't he in the 2007 squad?
Just checked... you are right, I couldnt remember. So who instead? Deon Greyling? :grin:
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Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:04 pm Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
Jantjies makes a cockup of half of his box kicks, Gelant dropped at least 3 kicks, Wazza tries everything on his own.
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handyman wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:00 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:04 pm Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
Jantjies makes a cockup of half of his box kicks, Gelant dropped at least 3 kicks, Wazza tries everything on his own.
Neither of the fbs covered themselves in glory.
The only backline players that made any impact was Dan du Plessis and Senatla.
The Stormers loose forwards were better yesterday. The Sharks front row is the best in South Africa as is the scrum.
Stormers lineout better on the day.

For me it was the Dan du Plessis show. He tore gaps through our backline.
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Sards wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:31 am
handyman wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:00 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:04 pm Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
Jantjies makes a cockup of half of his box kicks, Gelant dropped at least 3 kicks, Wazza tries everything on his own.
Neither of the fbs covered themselves in glory.
The only backline players that made any impact was Dan du Plessis and Senatla.
The Stormers loose forwards were better yesterday. The Sharks front row is the best in South Africa as is the scrum.
Stormers lineout better on the day.

For me it was the Dan du Plessis show. He tore gaps through our backline.
I haven't watch the first half yet with the stupid load shedding.

Good to hear about Dan.
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handyman wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:00 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:04 pm Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
Jantjies makes a cockup of half of his box kicks, Gelant dropped at least 3 kicks, Wazza tries everything on his own.
Herschel can't kick all his life BUT he was deadly around the frindges and look full of confidence like the Hershell I know from schoolboy days.

Jens was all the time right about Orie. Look like Orie and Libbok finally found their best home.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:47 am
handyman wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:00 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:04 pm Great to see squad players like Herschel Jantjies, Wazza, Orie and Gelant hitting form again.
Jantjies makes a cockup of half of his box kicks, Gelant dropped at least 3 kicks, Wazza tries everything on his own.
Herschel can't kick all his life BUT he was deadly around the frindges and look full of confidence like the Hershell I know from schoolboy days.

Jens was all the time right about Orie. Look like Orie and Libbok finally found their best home.
After watching the 1st half I withdraw that from Herschell. He kicked 2 excellent box kicks and Stormers regather from both. The $hark$ 9 & 10 overdo the high & box kicks.
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Bokke fixture list.
Castle Lager Incoming Series fixtures (kick-off times TBC):

Saturday, 2 July: Springboks v Wales – Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Saturday, 9 July: Springboks v Wales – Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein
Saturday, 16 July: Springboks v Wales – DHL Stadium, Cape Town

Castle Lager Rugby Championship fixtures (kick-off times TBC):

Saturday, 6 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Saturday, 13 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg
Saturday, 27 August: Springboks v Australia – venue TBC
Saturday, 3 September: Springboks v Australia – venue TBC
Saturday, 17 September: Springboks v Argentina – Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires
Saturday, 24 September: Springboks v Argentina – Hollywoodbets Kings Park, Durban
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Couldn't ask for a better RC fixture list. 2 tests at home against the old foe and 2 away against the Wallabies.
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We should have a very big squad. No local or NH rugby during the RC time frame.
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A test in Gqeberha would be nice.
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Deon Fourie and Manie Libbok the form 6 & 10 in South Africa at the moment.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:01 am Deon Fourie and Manie Libbok the form 6 & 10 in South Africa at the moment.
Scary stuff.
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Chilli wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:51 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:01 am Deon Fourie and Manie Libbok the form 6 & 10 in South Africa at the moment.
Scary stuff.
Won't be long before another Manie meltdown and the Stomps calling for his head
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Sards wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:58 am
Chilli wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:51 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:01 am Deon Fourie and Manie Libbok the form 6 & 10 in South Africa at the moment.
Scary stuff.
Won't be long before another Manie meltdown and the Stomps calling for his head
Wait till they have 20 Bok caps before it happens.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:31 am Bokke fixture list.
Castle Lager Incoming Series fixtures (kick-off times TBC):

Saturday, 2 July: Springboks v Wales – Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Saturday, 9 July: Springboks v Wales – Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein
Saturday, 16 July: Springboks v Wales – DHL Stadium, Cape Town

Castle Lager Rugby Championship fixtures (kick-off times TBC):

Saturday, 6 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Saturday, 13 August: Springboks v New Zealand – Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg
Saturday, 27 August: Springboks v Australia – venue TBC
Saturday, 3 September: Springboks v Australia – venue TBC
Saturday, 17 September: Springboks v Argentina – Vélez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires
Saturday, 24 September: Springboks v Argentina – Hollywoodbets Kings Park, Durban
Wallabies tests are in Brisbane and Sydney.

5 Nov Ireland
12 Nov France
19 Nov Italy
26 Nov England.


Camps starts on 10, 12, 23, 24 April, 1-5 May 6 & 23 June
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Watching the Prem highlights for this week. At Sale the du Preez twins are in white hot form. Dan would offer the Boks more value at 8 than Jasper imo. Unfortunately the Bok way favours the incumbent. And of course there is Trokkie at Northampton who is starting to fire.

Faf looking extremely sharp as well. None of the domestic no.9s have impressed me so we really need Faf and Reinach firing on all cylinders.

Standout players so far in the URC who have potential to make the squad are Tambwe and Tshikuta. They are both Congolese boys so passports may be an issue. They qualify in terms of residency under World rugby laws but SA seems to have the requirement of Boks having an SA passport. Tambwe has definitely moved ahead of Nkosi as a right wing back up for Kolbe.

Gelant as front runner for no.15 and Fassi as a utility back 3 player. Esterhuizen, Willemse, Kriel as 12/13 cover.

Flyhalf is our weakest position depth wise. Lots of youngsters but none standing out.

The front row is sorted and ideally we need to unearth a couple of monster locks. RG Snyman is still out and is an ongoing injury concern. Lood also fragile.

There are loads more guys looking good abroad. Bernard Janse Van Rensburg, Jacques Vermeulen, Jannes Kirsten, Courtnall Skosan, Jan Serfontein ens. They're not going to enter into the Bok equation but it just shows what our local sides are missing. We lost almost a whole cohort of players who are now in the 25-30 bracket where there physical maturity and experience are what our URC teams lack.
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So end of March. Bok squad gets announced in a few weeks. Any newbies from each team you'd like to see in the training camp? Apart from the usual suspects.

For me it's

Lions: Edwill van Der Merwe/Similane
Bulls: Elrigh Louw/Kurt-Lee Arendse
Stormers: Evan Roos/Neethling Fouche
Sharks: Ntuthuko Mchunu/Mpilo Gumede
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assfly wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:29 am So end of March. Bok squad gets announced in a few weeks. Any newbies from each team you'd like to see in the training camp? Apart from the usual suspects.

For me it's

Lions: Edwill van Der Merwe/Similane
Bulls: Elrigh Louw/Kurt-Lee Arendse
Stormers: Evan Roos/Neethling Fouche
Sharks: Ntuthuko Mchunu/Mpilo Gumede
Mchunu is a rubbish prop.
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If they are looking for a fatty who can play TH or LH Brok Harris. He is like good red wine.
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Deon Fourie has also been in rich form covering 6 and 2.
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I think they're both on the wrong side of 30. 35, for that matter.
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assfly wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:52 pm I think they're both on the wrong side of 30. 35, for that matter.
Yep ja. The WC is a year away. We'll need experience players.
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Lets be honest.
Ra$$ie won't change his group much.
Only if someone is injured will they be replaced.

We will be stuck with underperforming players like Herschel , 5 Bar, Nohamba etc.
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Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 3:42 pm Lets be honest.
Ra$$ie won't change his group much.
Only if someone is injured will they be replaced.

We will be stuck with underperforming players like Herschel , 5 Bar, Nohamba etc.
Nohamba is CC. Won't make the squad
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Lions - Edwill, V Tshituka, Morné van den Berg, Jordan Hendrickse
Bulls - Elrigh Louw, Johan Grobelaar,
WP - Roos
Sharks - Nthutuko Mchunu - Best loosehead of his age in the country. Chilli probably has him mixed up with the other Mchunu at the Sharks.

There are better more experienced options for all these guys currently playing overseas. They'd benefit from going to a Bok training camp but to select say Louw or Roos ahead the Dup brothers for RWC 2023 would be wrong.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:16 pm Lions - Edwill, V Tshituka, Morné van den Berg, Jordan Hendrickse
Bulls - Elrigh Louw, Johan Grobelaar,
WP - Roos
Sharks - Nthutuko Mchunu - Best loosehead of his age in the country. Chilli probably has him mixed up with the other Mchunu at the Sharks.

There are better more experienced options for all these guys currently playing overseas. They'd benefit from going to a Bok training camp but to select say Louw or Roos ahead the Dup brothers for RWC 2023 would be wrong.
Are you referring to the one who replaced Ox yesterday?
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i like this young cheetahs 10 Siya Masuku - looks the goods to me
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Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:28 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:16 pm Lions - Edwill, V Tshituka, Morné van den Berg, Jordan Hendrickse
Bulls - Elrigh Louw, Johan Grobelaar,
WP - Roos
Sharks - Nthutuko Mchunu - Best loosehead of his age in the country. Chilli probably has him mixed up with the other Mchunu at the Sharks.

There are better more experienced options for all these guys currently playing overseas. They'd benefit from going to a Bok training camp but to select say Louw or Roos ahead the Dup brothers for RWC 2023 would be wrong.
Are you referring to the one who replaced Ox yesterday?
I actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.
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Monk wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:51 pm i like this young cheetahs 10 Siya Masuku - looks the goods to me
Agreed. Our flyhalf stocks are not great.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:51 pm
Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:28 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:16 pm Lions - Edwill, V Tshituka, Morné van den Berg, Jordan Hendrickse
Bulls - Elrigh Louw, Johan Grobelaar,
WP - Roos
Sharks - Nthutuko Mchunu - Best loosehead of his age in the country. Chilli probably has him mixed up with the other Mchunu at the Sharks.

There are better more experienced options for all these guys currently playing overseas. They'd benefit from going to a Bok training camp but to select say Louw or Roos ahead the Dup brothers for RWC 2023 would be wrong.
Are you referring to the one who replaced Ox yesterday?
I actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.
In my opinion people only remember that try that he scored.
Just because he can run like a 12 doesn't mean that he is a prop.

At the moment he is unreservedly underwhelming as a prop. Stop making excuses for him.

At the age of 21 or 22 Ollie Le Roux and Os Du Randt were proper props. This guy is very meh.
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