dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:32 pm
Immigration is a function of the demographics of the UK, our birth rates are currently c1.6 babies per woman, well below the 2.1 required to maintain the population and the % of over 65s has increased and projected to get bigger ie from 1:5 in 2019 to 1:4 by 2050. Without increased immigration the UK will continue to have labour market shortages and these will continue to get worse. Many sectors ie hospitality, care, health, will continue to suffer with workforce shortages despite all the Gov efforts to train and 'incentivise' others to get back into work. We will, indeed already have, severe workforce shortages in many geographical areas and in many services to look after the aging population. All the shite coming out of the Gov about getting Brits back into work are just trying to herd unicorns. With over 7m on the NHS waiting lists awaiting a new knee, hip or cataract removed many are in no fit state to come back into the labour market.
Pre Brexit and with FoM we never accurately, or even tried, to count the numbers of EU workers keeping the UK economy ticking over - we had no idea how many were working in the UK but it was more than many thought. Post Brexit many EU workers want home and with our new Border Controls we now count immigration and guess what? EU migrant numbers have continued to collapse and we have seen more returning home to EU and in order to meet labour market, University sector, etc demands we have increased immigration numbers from non EU countries ie India and Nigeria. The poor racist Brexteers who thought they could get vote Brexit to get rid of the Polish family next door have now welcomed the family from Nigeria. Fuck them!
It's worth noting that the demography of the UK (as far as age is concerned) and of much of the developed where similar issues are present, is down to decades of pursuing an economic model that makes it very, very difficult for younger people to feel secure enough to start families. I'd also suggest that having children has transitioned from simply being the next step in a relationship to a moral dilemma that spans whether parents can afford to give a child a good life to what kind of world the child will grow up and live in given persistent insufficient action over the climate crisis.
Being able to rely on migration to plug gaps, be it from the EU or further abroad, allows the perpetuation of a system that continues to disincentivise the native population from reproduction.
To reiterate Sandy's question, how many universities sell D tier courses in exchange for visas and which ones are they?
I genuinely don't know the answer.
A significant number of the ex-polys, particularly those in major cities with an international reputation would be the starting point
Which ones in particular?
I've remarked previously about my experience and that of a friend working with Westminster's business department. I don't think the tertiary education landscape of the UK would much miss the rest of the uni either, frankly.
Tertiary education as a whole in this country needs a colossal rethink. It is clear that being run as businesses with ever decreasing public funding merely encourages gouging the most possible in fees. Which is saddling students with a lot of debt and increasingly that prospect is encouraging fewer to go in the first place. At which point we might again ask, what is the purpose of such institutions if it's not to educate and upskill the UK population.
To reiterate Sandy's question, how many universities sell D tier courses in exchange for visas and which ones are they?
I genuinely don't know the answer.
A significant number of the ex-polys, particularly those in major cities with an international reputation would be the starting point
Which ones in particular?
Earlier this year, I gave some online English lessons to Chinese and Japanese students accepted to Winchester University. They had pretty limited English but were excited at the prospect of studying near London.
Winchester is the 109th best university out of 130 in the UK, and I must confess I'd never heard of it before, probably because it only became a university in 2005.
A significant number of the ex-polys, particularly those in major cities with an international reputation would be the starting point
Which ones in particular?
Earlier this year, I gave some online English lessons to Chinese and Japanese students accepted to Winchester University. They had pretty limited English but were excited at the prospect of studying near London.
Winchester is the 109th best university out of 130 in the UK, and I must confess I'd never heard of it before, probably because it only became a university in 2005.
Westminster, Greenwich, West London and Middlesex immediately sprung to mind. I recently attended a careers fair at Nottingham Trent which was eye opening to say the least
Earlier this year, I gave some online English lessons to Chinese and Japanese students accepted to Winchester University. They had pretty limited English but were excited at the prospect of studying near London.
Winchester is the 109th best university out of 130 in the UK, and I must confess I'd never heard of it before, probably because it only became a university in 2005.
Westminster, Greenwich, West London and Middlesex immediately sprung to mind. I recently attended a careers fair at Nottingham Trent which was eye opening to say the least
Winchester = 10%
Nottingham Trent = 21%
Westminster = 50%
Greenwich = 44%
West London = 42%
Middlesex = 50%
Winchester and Nottingham Trent need pump those numbers up, they're posting rookie numbers.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
by Tichtheid
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
Earlier this year, I gave some online English lessons to Chinese and Japanese students accepted to Winchester University. They had pretty limited English but were excited at the prospect of studying near London.
Winchester is the 109th best university out of 130 in the UK, and I must confess I'd never heard of it before, probably because it only became a university in 2005.
Westminster, Greenwich, West London and Middlesex immediately sprung to mind. I recently attended a careers fair at Nottingham Trent which was eye opening to say the least
Winchester = 10%
Nottingham Trent = 21%
Westminster = 50%
Greenwich = 44%
West London = 42%
Middlesex = 50%
Winchester and Nottingham Trent need pump those numbers up, they're posting rookie numbers.
We’re at cross purposes if you think overall percentages is what’s being discussed rather than what is being sold
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:01 pm
by Paddington Bear
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Well this is the main problem as far as I see it, it's really difficult to stay on after your studies and go into work in the UK. We've had this discussion before.
The students may well come here under the impression that studying here will grant you leave to stays and that is not the case.
I come back to my earlier point that the main driver for all of this is under-funding of tertiary education and would add that, as I've argued before, we should be investing massively in vocational skills instead of/ as well as classroom-based skills
btw, I have it anecdotally from someone involved in a university that whilst their institution didn't sell substandard courses in return for study visas, they had heard of it having happened in the past with a small number of courses in a small number of institutions.
Westminster, Greenwich, West London and Middlesex immediately sprung to mind. I recently attended a careers fair at Nottingham Trent which was eye opening to say the least
Winchester = 10%
Nottingham Trent = 21%
Westminster = 50%
Greenwich = 44%
West London = 42%
Middlesex = 50%
Winchester and Nottingham Trent need pump those numbers up, they're posting rookie numbers.
We’re at cross purposes if you think overall percentages is what’s being discussed rather than what is being sold
Seems obvious that those with more foreign students have a higher potential exposure to immigration rule changes. A good data point to start from.
A uni may appear bad to you, but for various reasons a lot of Asia and Africa has shit unis (it's partly about the parents putting so much emphasis on education that they'll save for decades to send their children abroad rather than invest into their own uni system). This applies to even reasonably well developed countries. Ironically SA ends up with a much better set of unis than larger countries more obsessed with education (pick a random Asian country), precisely because we're more parochial and don't care about education as much. Some uni that isn't special at all in the UK could put someone very far ahead of the rest elsewhere, even more so with some UK work experience.
You think what's being sold is a visa scam, but I wouldn't be so sure. If there's unintended damage and something like the quality of post grads at the UK's top unis declines, then it's another thing which will not be noticed by those who demand harsher immigration controls, so they'll again think nothing has happened, and again demand more.
It really would be far quicker to just make a law which says "no immigrants". It would stop the moaning about people following immigration laws who then get accused of abuse for not breaking any law, and give those making the demands what they say they want.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:56 pm
by Line6 HXFX
So this is happening, 22 million people (everyone in receipt of any benefit, at all.. from state pension to working tax credits, universal credit to top up your low poverty pay.... and anything in between) will now have their finances and bank accounts monitored.
What are you cunts worrying about?
Foriegn students? Foriegners?
Anyone voluntarily coming here, not stuck here and trapped by these ghouls to ensure they stay in extreme poverty, with zero respite.... are welcome to dominate and run this fucking place.
Unlike tory english over priviledged, entitled cunts...maybe our new foriegn and refugee overlords learned empathy along the way,
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Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:09 pm
by fishfoodie
Congratulations Tories, you must be so proud to be top of the table !
... and this is after Marcus Rashford shamed them into providing some basic support to the most vunlnerable; if they had their way the number would be far worse.
Teenagers in the UK are skipping more meals because of poverty than in many other Western European countries, a survey suggests.
In the UK, 11% of pupils told the Programme for International Student Assessment (Pisa) survey they missed a meal at least once a week.
The average across the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), which runs Pisa, was 8%.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
Hrmm, I have second hand knowledge (my children and my brothers' children) of the shoddy performance regarding students of three RG institutions, the ones in question are always top ten, one of them is usually top two.
They will be ranked very highly in those tables but do not provide nine thousand pounds+ worth of service per year to the students taking on that debt, quite the opposite.
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
Hrmm, I have second hand knowledge (my children and my brothers' children) of the shoddy performance regarding students of three RG institutions, the ones in question are always top ten, one of them is usually top two.
They will be ranked very highly in those tables but do not provide nine thousand pounds+ worth of service per year to the students taking on that debt, quite the opposite.
Yea, not going to argue with that, really just highlighting that the different rankings are evaluating very different thing. With a lot of the post 92 unis they're very good in particular areas,not in others. I wouldn't say to someone wahting to do Physics t go to Trent over Nottingham for example.
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
Hrmm, I have second hand knowledge (my children and my brothers' children) of the shoddy performance regarding students of three RG institutions, the ones in question are always top ten, one of them is usually top two.
They will be ranked very highly in those tables but do not provide nine thousand pounds+ worth of service per year to the students taking on that debt, quite the opposite.
Yea, not going to argue with that, really just highlighting that the different rankings are evaluating very different thing. With a lot of the post 92 unis they're very good in particular areas,not in others. I wouldn't say to someone wahting to do Physics t go to Trent over Nottingham for example.
There’s also the element that what really matters to most people is in the end what potential employers think of their degree, and for most people that doesn’t bode well for the ex-polys
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:39 am
by SaintK
We can add coward to the long list that describes the blonde slug
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 1:32 pm
Immigration is a function of the demographics of the UK, our birth rates are currently c1.6 babies per woman, well below the 2.1 required to maintain the population and the % of over 65s has increased and projected to get bigger ie from 1:5 in 2019 to 1:4 by 2050. Without increased immigration the UK will continue to have labour market shortages and these will continue to get worse. Many sectors ie hospitality, care, health, will continue to suffer with workforce shortages despite all the Gov efforts to train and 'incentivise' others to get back into work. We will, indeed already have, severe workforce shortages in many geographical areas and in many services to look after the aging population. All the shite coming out of the Gov about getting Brits back into work are just trying to herd unicorns. With over 7m on the NHS waiting lists awaiting a new knee, hip or cataract removed many are in no fit state to come back into the labour market.
Pre Brexit and with FoM we never accurately, or even tried, to count the numbers of EU workers keeping the UK economy ticking over - we had no idea how many were working in the UK but it was more than many thought. Post Brexit many EU workers want home and with our new Border Controls we now count immigration and guess what? EU migrant numbers have continued to collapse and we have seen more returning home to EU and in order to meet labour market, University sector, etc demands we have increased immigration numbers from non EU countries ie India and Nigeria. The poor racist Brexteers who thought they could get vote Brexit to get rid of the Polish family next door have now welcomed the family from Nigeria. Fuck them!
It's worth noting that the demography of the UK (as far as age is concerned) and of much of the developed where similar issues are present, is down to decades of pursuing an economic model that makes it very, very difficult for younger people to feel secure enough to start families. I'd also suggest that having children has transitioned from simply being the next step in a relationship to a moral dilemma that spans whether parents can afford to give a child a good life to what kind of world the child will grow up and live in given persistent insufficient action over the climate crisis.
Being able to rely on migration to plug gaps, be it from the EU or further abroad, allows the perpetuation of a system that continues to disincentivise the native population from reproduction.
Absolutely agree! The UK has relied on immigration for ever to boost its own workforce and sustain growth when required - Windrush being one example. We need a different economic model that enables the young to buy a house, earn a decent living wage, can have kids and enjoy life. Without this we will continue with low fertility rates and immigration at same or higher levels.
The Tory Gov steps to limit immigration is nothing more that an act of self harm and a political move to try and keep their gammon base in run up to the election. They are happy to deliberately destroy sections of the UK economy, and in particular health and social care, to vainly try and stay in power - they would rather let your granny die in her own shit due to lack of Care workers than own up to the economic catastrophe of Brexit! Bastards every one of them.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:47 am
by Sandstorm
SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:39 am
We can add coward to the long list that describes the blonde slug
James Cleverly: "Boris starts work early every day and so generously went in to avoid keeping the Inquiry waiting. This is so that we can quickly complete this and get back to solving the UK immigration crisis."
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:59 am
by dpedin
Within the first hour and the Blonde Bumblecunt is in tatters, Keith is slowly but surely ripping the fat blonde turd apart and his bluster and lying aint any use to him. He is going to end up with his head on a stake after this! Every time the lump of lard asserts something Keith pulls up a WhatsApp or text and shoots him down. He is now down to the 'I dont remember that' defence! He is shitting himself.
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:57 pm
Nottingham Trent is placed almost 20 places higher than the Russell Group University of Nottingham in the Gruaniad uni league table.
Nottingham Trent say, "Proud to be named Modern University of the Year in The Times Good University Guide 2023."
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
a friend is a director of admin in the university sector (she's moved but I won't say which institutions) and was shocked by campaigns to get students to provide good feedback - basically saying ' you need to score us highly as this will impact how your degree is perceived by employers'.
It makes it a bit questionable, although it is hard to be objective- it can be tricky to work out post-degree employment rates (something many university assessments use), and things like staff-student numbers are always going to skew towards Oxbridge/Durham and those who follow that college system.
When I taught at uni I tended to disregard what students might provide as part of the satisfaction survey, as what they generally want is essentially to work for 5 hours a week and walk away with a first. That's not what they should have. I'd take on board feedback relating to teaching methods, but that's about it. Granted, some student feedback could be more broad, for example Bath Uni killed off its senior common room and its staff association bar to convert to undergrad catering, knowing that students will provide poor feedback if the campus isn't comfortable.
We’ve had some good people out of Trent, though I’d take them being ranked higher than UoN with a massive pinch of salt. Which is why I was somewhat surprised that when arriving at this fair as a representative of a large local employer in a competitive industry the main questions I was asked were about visas and English language requirements
Nottingham ranked 130 in the Times Higher Educational Supplement rankings, Nottingham Trent 501-600.
QS university rankings have Nottingham 100=, Nottingham Trent 595.
Those are the two big boys of university rankings.
I can't find how the Guardian ones are done but a lot of them now I cluse things like 'student experience' which can be subject to student campaigns. That can be a useful thing to know when a student is choosing where to study but isn't relevant to employers. It has St Andrews as top, above a lot of universities with substantially better research outputs.
a friend is a director of admin in the university sector (she's moved but I won't say which institutions) and was shocked by campaigns to get students to provide good feedback - basically saying ' you need to score us highly as this will impact how your degree is perceived by employers'.
It makes it a bit questionable, although it is hard to be objective- it can be tricky to work out post-degree employment rates (something many university assessments use), and things like staff-student numbers are always going to skew towards Oxbridge/Durham and those who follow that college system.
When I taught at uni I tended to disregard what students might provide as part of the satisfaction survey, as what they generally want is essentially to work for 5 hours a week and walk away with a first. That's not what they should have. I'd take on board feedback relating to teaching methods, but that's about it. Granted, some student feedback could be more broad, for example Bath Uni killed off its senior common room and its staff association bar to convert to undergrad catering, knowing that students will provide poor feedback if the campus isn't comfortable.
The post-grad employability rates are not consistently used, or even set as goals. Some schools, such as business or engineering, will probably place great stock in employability rates and really try to embed thoughts of post-grad careers among students, especially the ones using placements and internships as part of the course. Other schools actively rail against this, saying education should be the goal in of itself. When you have both of these outlooks and somewhere in between in the one university, it's difficult to get a standardised view of how the uni is doing on the criterion of employability rates.
I went to Edinburgh Napier University when it was Napier Technical College, then it became Napier Polytechnic and on to the current status. My course, BEng. Energy Engineering, was five years including a year working in industry. Everyone from that course who wanted a job in engineering got one, yet their degrees will be dismissed by some because of the name above the front door of the institution teaching it.
(I didn't finish, it was obvious to both myself and the faculty staff that I was not a suitable candidate, I hated it. Doing a maths lecture on a Friday afternoon, then using that learning in a thermodynamics lecture the following week etc, was just not me)
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm
by Insane_Homer
Has the prick recited the Iliad yet?
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:37 pm
by tabascoboy
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm
Has the prick recited the Iliad yet?
The Covid Enquiry?
Predictably he "can't remember" many important things, it was the scientists fault that actions were too little too late and missing the 5 COBRA meetings was no biggie.
and
Boris Johnson tries not to smirk as he explains the missing WhatsApps #CovidInquiry
"I don't know the exact reasons. It looks as though something to do with the app going down and then coming up again. And then somehow, not. Automatically erasing all the things between that date it went down, and the moment it was backed-up"
Hugo Keith, "The phone technical report suggests there may have been a factory reset at the end of Jan 2020, and an attempt to reinstall the contents later in June 2020. Was it you who did the factory reset?"
BJ, "Factory reset"
HK, "There's a capability on the phone to allow the device to be reset"
BJ, "I don't remember"
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:59 pm
by fishfoodie
At the very least, the use of whatsapp or similar apps for Government comms should be made illegal, & the deletion of any Governmental communications also be made illegal.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:30 pm
by Sandstorm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:59 pm
At the very least, the use of whatsapp or similar apps for Government comms should be made illegal, & the deletion of any Governmental communications also be made illegal.
Has illegal ever really applied to anything a PM did?
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:59 pm
At the very least, the use of whatsapp or similar apps for Government comms should be made illegal, & the deletion of any Governmental communications also be made illegal.
Has illegal ever really applied to anything a PM did?
It's not just the PM, unless he was just sending messages to himself !
Any CS would be entitled to refuse to carry out an action if they feels it is breaking the law, & would be afforded whistle blower protection if they reported it.
The Bumblecunt might have wanted to be World King, but that didn't make him one.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:10 pm
by Biffer
Caught lying a few times already, fucking bullshitter
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:18 pm
by SaintK
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Caught lying a few times already, fucking bullshitter
A lot of.................
" I don't recall that"
"That's not how I remember it"
"I can't remember"
" That is your way of putting it"
How many £100k's have we taxpayers payed for the cunt to be briefed by lawyers for the past 12 months?
Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:10 pm
Caught lying a few times already, fucking bullshitter
A lot of.................
" I don't recall that"
"That's not how I remember it"
"I can't remember"
" That is your way of putting it"
How many £100k's have we taxpayers payed for the cunt to be briefed by lawyers for the past 12 months?
When he's covering his ass it's always "I", but the rest of the time he's very liberal in his use of, "we", when in reality it was just him !
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:12 pm
by tabascoboy
So all the posturing over the Rwanda project and the treaty means that Rwanda decide which refugees they take, and they can only take 100. And then, we have to accept Rwanda refugees here.
Throwing the ECHR obligations to the wall for this? Wonder what the 1922 Committee will have to say to Sunak about this, especially as Braverman has been on the warpath again
They just can't bring themselves to admit that the Rwanda project was a massively stupid idea and have to double down on it now...
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:20 pm
by SaintK
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:12 pm
So all the posturing over the Rwanda project and the treaty means that Rwanda decide which refugees they take, and they can only take 100. And then, we have to accept Rwanda refugees here.
Throwing the ECHR obligations to the wall for this? Wonder what the 1922 Committee will have to say to Sunak about this, especially as Braverman has been on the warpath again
They just can't bring themselves to admit that the Rwanda project was a massively stupid idea and have to double down on it now...
.....but it's going to save them from being wiped out at the next eelection!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:34 pm
by tabascoboy
Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned
MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:00 pm
by Hal Jordan
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:34 pm
Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned
MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it
Don't let the door hit his fat arse on the way out, unless it knocks him off his balance, face first into a cow pat.
Rwanda has said it will pull out of the deal if the UK doesn't adhere to international law. A dictatorship in all but name finding the Government too toxic to deal with.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 pm
by Hal Jordan
Jenrick confirmed gone.
It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.
in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:23 pm
by fishfoodie
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 pm
Jenrick confirmed gone.
It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.
in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.
In a normal Country they'd either have decorated lamp posts long ago, or be spending 23hrs a day in cell somewhere, with a bucket to shit in, & a large sweaty con for company.
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:34 pm
Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned
MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it
Don't let the door hit his fat arse on the way out, unless it knocks him off his balance, face first into a cow pat.
Rwanda has said it will pull out of the deal if the UK doesn't adhere to international law. A dictatorship in all but name finding the Government too toxic to deal with.
Indeed, Rwanda it seems has more ethics than our shitstain of a Government and won't get dragged down to their level. What a clusterfuck
Jenrick only upset that we're not being shitty enough...
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:20 pm
by fishfoodie
Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !
This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:39 pm
by tabascoboy
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:20 pm
Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !
This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.
To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...
