NPR

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:35 pm

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:12 pm The Russian government has given itself the right to repurpose factories for military production i.e. they have effectively put the country on a total war footing. This mobilisation is open ended, we're not talking about a minor escalation here.

It's really important, that now there's a comprehensive set of empargos in place; that the consequences of individuals, & companies, breaking those embagos, are so punitive, that the risk / reward proposition, just isn't tenable !

We all know there are shell companies in India, & China, & others, that are ordering tech parts, & funnelling them onto Russia; this always happens with embargos, but it's critical, that people & banks behind these companies understand that they can't just fold up the tents when they get caught, & laugh it off, & nothing will happen.

There has to be a clear line in the sand, that any individual, or institution that breaks these sanctions, is plutonium; i.e. their toxic for the next 20,000 years, & if you do business with them, in any way, shape, or form, then you're radioactive too !!!

There can't be any, nod & wink about breaking sanctions, getting caught, & then just rehabilitating yourself, & your company immediately, & just carrying on like nothing every happened; if you break sanctions, it has to be a death sentance.

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:04 pm You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:04 pm You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:51 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:04 pm You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

That would be all well and good if we were talking about something basic and unbreakable like a T-55. Which is also completely obsolete ( the M-55S is a different story). Even the relatively modern T-80s they are pulling out of storage are breaking down almost immediately; POWs in Kharkiv said either the gun didn't fire or if it did the transmission failed, and so on. That's leaving aside the sheer amount of tanks in Siberian graveyards that are completely unusable due to neglect and or every valuable electronic or mechanical part having been stripped out and sold.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:09 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:51 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

That would be all well and good if we were talking about something basic and unbreakable like a T-55. Which is also completely obsolete ( the M-55S is a different story). Even the relatively modern T-80s they are pulling out of storage are breaking down almost immediately; POWs in Kharkiv said either the gun didn't fire or if it did the transmission failed, and so on. That's leaving aside the sheer amount of tanks in Siberian graveyards that are completely unusable due to neglect and or every valuable electronic or mechanical part having been stripped out and sold.

Elsewhere on here it's been mentioned on here how John Deere is being a prick, becase they're denying farmers out in bumfuck Indiana the ability to repair their own tractors, even though their tractors are decades more advance than all but the most advanced Russian tanks !

Electronics is just electronics; it doesn't matter if it's in the fire control system of a tank, or an amp of your cinema. If there isn't 5.0V on a pin, & there's 20x components between the input & the pin, then you just replace, or compare each of the components, & then replace the failing one. What ultimately matters if you can get the components to replace the ones that have failed.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:11 am House arrest in Turkey. Fuck that

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:28 pm Hearing from a pretty reliable source that Russian KIAs, of all stripes, now stand at c. 68,000.

Total casualties/losses are estimated at c. 150,000.

More than half the original invasion force is gone.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:54 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:28 pm Hearing from a pretty reliable source that Russian KIAs, of all stripes, now stand at c. 68,000.

Total casualties/losses are estimated at c. 150,000.

More than half the original invasion force is gone.

Credible numbers.

To put some context on them, the Russians lost less than 15k KIA in the decade long conflict in Afghanistan, & the loss of materials was orders of magnitude less; & the state of the Russian military was much higher then.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:50 am

Dmitry Vitalyevich Bulgakov Army General, chief of the logistic support of the Russian armed forces, has been fired.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:55 am Another Escapegoat for Putin, let's hope he's replaced with someone even less competent

Dmitry Vitalyevich Bulgakov Army General, chief of the logistic support of the Russian armed forces, has been fired.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:48 am Arming lots of people who don't want to fight and hate you for asking them to isn't the smartest move in the world.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:53 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:48 am Arming lots of people who don't want to fight and hate you for asking them to isn't the smartest move in the world.

Yes, although Russians are not at all shy about using Punishment Units to brutalise any attempts at escape or surrender. Anyone trying to do so is more likely just to try to run and hide, although the threat of hundreds or thousands rebelling and running amok against their own does have a certain appeal!