Re: Springbokke going forward
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:02 pm
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The Sharks scrum has been solid when he's on. Os was great but Ollie le Roux is not a good example. He wasn't a great scrummaging prop and was best known for the kind of "running like a 12" you're talking about. He was a super-sub in 43/54 tests because he wasn't fit enough to play longer than 20 minutes and wasn't a good enough scrummager to last longer than 60 minutes.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:46 pmIn my opinion people only remember that try that he scored.FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:51 pmI actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.
Just because he can run like a 12 doesn't mean that he is a prop.
At the moment he is unreservedly underwhelming as a prop. Stop making excuses for him.
At the age of 21 or 22 Ollie Le Roux and Os Du Randt were proper props. This guy is very meh.
Go back and watch Ollie when playing for the Freestate. He could scrum.FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:32 pmThe Sharks scrum has been solid when he's on. Os was great but Ollie le Roux is not a good example. He wasn't a great scrummaging prop and was best known for the kind of "running like a 12" you're talking about. He was a super-sub in 43/54 tests because he wasn't fit enough to play longer than 20 minutes and wasn't a good enough scrummager to last longer than 60 minutes.Chilli wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:46 pmIn my opinion people only remember that try that he scored.FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:51 pm
I actually quit watching at half time in frustration and went off for a run. But I see from Supersport match report that yes he did replace Ox in the 59th minute. If he battled in the scrum it must be mentioned that at the same time Luan de Bruin came on. De Bruin is a very experienced tighthead with 8 years of senior rugby as opposed to Mchunu who has played one season and been a sub for 9/13 of the games he's played. He's nowhere near a Bok place but he's a very good prospect.
Just because he can run like a 12 doesn't mean that he is a prop.
At the moment he is unreservedly underwhelming as a prop. Stop making excuses for him.
At the age of 21 or 22 Ollie Le Roux and Os Du Randt were proper props. This guy is very meh.
Deckchair Thomas...assfly wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 am Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.
You still remain the Stormers bitches.Sards wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:15 amDeckchair Thomas...assfly wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 am Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.![]()
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...
Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions
Your scrum is still poops......OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:24 amYou still remain the Stormers bitches.Sards wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:15 amDeckchair Thomas...assfly wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 am Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.![]()
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...
Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions
And rightly so.assfly wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 am Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.
Sards, get your facts straight. I never called him Deckchair Thomas.Sards wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:15 amDeckchair Thomas...assfly wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:00 am Chilli criticising a Sharks prop. Doesn't this sound familiar.![]()
Now the Sharks have the strongest scrum in the tournament...
Listen....Sharks were very unlucky to get so much rain on saturday...would have loved to have seen a dry field...I think it would have been much different.......thats 2 games in a row rained out.....obviously this time of the year does not suit running rugby in Durban. Lets hope they start with Boeta this weekend...he did very well up north in those conditions
The French tank? Always retreating?
Rassie Erasmus says South African rugby is benefiting from having so many of its top players playing for English clubs.
In a wide-ranging column for the Daily Mail, Erasmus noted that the likes of Faf de Klerk playing regularly in the Premiership has not only benefited the Springboks, but hampered English players from coming through their system.
Erasmus believes South Africa's weak rand also discourages foreign players from coming here, which allows young local players to feature prominently on the domestic front.
"People say South Africa are stupid for allowing our players to leave. Is it stupid? Look at England, there are six or seven South African players taking the places of young English players at Premiership clubs," Erasmus wrote in the column.
"For us, it's wonderful. Among about 32 players we are looking at, they're probably earning R400 million that doesn't have to come off our accounts.
"Meanwhile, back in South Africa, we have the next South African lock coming through because there is no financial incentive for players to come here.
"Is it good for England that Faf de Klerk is starting ahead of Raffi Quirke at Sale? No. Is it good for South Africa? Yes, it works for us."
READ | What former Bok mentors told Rassie Erasmus after taking on head coach role
Erasmus, the current director of rugby at SA Rugby, was responsible for a complete U-turn in the fortunes of the Springboks.
After a difficult few years under then-coach Allister Coetzee, Erasmus took over the national side in March 2018, and he famously coached the team to the 2019 Rugby World Cup title in Japan.
He gave up the head coaching responsibilities to Jacques Nienaber in 2020.
Rassie won't be the next England coach. They've already said Jones' successor must be English.OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:02 am England is about to change the Saffer ruling. Rassie is giving some tips to RFU before they appoint him as the next coach.
Rassie is pulling a move to get our players returned.....basically getting them unemployed up north so they are forced to return.....assfly wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:20 amRassie won't be the next England coach. They've already said Jones' successor must be English.OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:02 am England is about to change the Saffer ruling. Rassie is giving some tips to RFU before they appoint him as the next coach.
These are the players from the Stormers / Bulls match invited.assfly wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:37 pm Anyone with a link to the first Bok alignment training squad?
Heard Roos was left out but Deon Fourie was in![]()
Brave call to back the Goose again. That guys knees must be well wonky. Saffer rugby twitter is having a bit of a meltdown over Evan "the new Spies" Roos's exclusion. Its weird how fixated we get with loose forwards. Its always been our strength.Chilli wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:55 pmThese are the players from the Stormers / Bulls match invited.assfly wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:37 pm Anyone with a link to the first Bok alignment training squad?
Heard Roos was left out but Deon Fourie was in![]()
Stormers: Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Scarra Ntubeni, Salmaan Moerat, Marvin Orie, Herschel Jantjies and Damian Willemse.
Bulls: Johan Grobbelaar, Ruan Nortje, Elrigh Louw and Johan Goosen.
Weird is how fixated our coaches have gotten with this rabbble...FalseBayFC wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:19 pm
Brave call to back the Goose again. That guys knees must be well wonky. Saffer rugby twitter is having a bit of a meltdown over Evan "the new Spies" Roos's exclusion. Its weird how fixated we get with loose forwards. Its always been our strength.
So encumbents are Kolisi, PSDT, Thor. Jasper, Kwagga are backups. I don't think they'll be ditched. So a replacement for Slouw is needed. I think they'll look to blood Elrigh this year and him and Marcell Coetzee will be next off the rank with Augustus. As much as I rate the duP brothers I don't think they're favoured by our coaching set up.
Where is Willie playing at the moment?
Sounds like there will be a big clear out after 2023. I guess Roos will get his shot then. Maybe with the new English salary cap, the new French rule and the 5 year residency rule the Boks coaches are less worried about fringe players and prospects being poached.FalseBayFC wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:47 pm So it looks like the Boks have requested that the Japanese based Boks be available for the November tests including Willie le Roux. So it seems he will still be in the picture. The Euro based boks will miss the test against England as its outside the test window. The RWC2019 squad will largely be intact besides those in bold who are injured/retired. I reckon Vermeulen and Steyn will be included if they haven't retired yet. So that leaves a hooker, a lock, wing and a loose forward spot open.
I don't think Rasnaber will look to take anyone new. So Dweba, Orie, Willemse (as a utility back) and Jasper. I'd prefer to see Tyrone Greene in for Willemse though.
A non travelling reserves XV for RWC 2023 could be:
Green, Tambwe, Simelane, Esterhuizen, Arendse, Hendrikse, Hendrikse, Roos, Louw, Tshituka, Nortje, Janse van Rensburg, Wilco Louw, Grobelaar, Matanzima
My picks for possible new caps for the November tour are Elrigh Louw, Morne van den Berg, Ruan Nortje, Roos, Grobelaar and maybe two new props. Madosh Tambwe is trying hard for his passport and may if he gets it will travel.
2019 Squad
Forwards
Schalk Brits (13 tests, Bulls), Lood de Jager (40 tests, Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (49 tests, Stormers), Eben Etzebeth (78 tests, Stormers), Steven Kitshoff* (39 tests, Stormers), Vincent Koch* (15 tests, Saracens), Siya Kolisi (Captain - 42 tests, Stormers), Francois Louw (68 tests, Bath), Frans Malherbe (31 tests, Stormers), Malcolm Marx* (26 tests, Lions), Bongi Mbonambi* (29 tests, Stormers), Franco Mostert* (31 tests, Gloucester), Tendai Mtawarira (110 tests, Sharks), Trevor Nyakane (40 tests, Bulls), Kwagga Smith* (4 tests, Lions), RG Snyman* (15 tests, Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (48 tests, Bulls).
Backs
Lukhanyo Am* (8 tests, Sharks), Damian de Allende (39 tests, Stormers), Faf de Klerk* (24 tests, Sale Sharks), Warrick Gelant* (7 tests, Bulls), Elton Jantjies* (35 tests, Lions), Herschel Jantjies*(3 tests, Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe* (9 tests, Toulouse), Jesse Kriel 44 tests, Bulls), Willie le Roux (55 tests, Wasps), Makazole Mapimpi* (7 tests, Sharks), Sbu Nkosi* (8 tests, Sharks), Handre Pollard (41 tests, Bulls), Cobus Reinach* (12 tests, Northampton), Frans Steyn (60 tests, Montpellier).
I'm not sure they're going to do that. Loose forward is covered by Augustus, van Staden, du Preez's, Marcel. They'll opt for experience. It will and should be all about building for 2023. New blood comes after that in my opinion.bok_viking wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:42 am I hope some of the young and promising players get some game time against Wales, even if its just off the bench. These home games would be great to blood Arendse, Louw, Roos, etc. If we can give about 5 or so young players some test experience it would be a good autumn tour. Definitely should not wait until after the WC, in case of injuries leading up to the WC.
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We thought the same in 2019. Strong defense win test matches.boere wors wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:37 pm The boks are in desperate need for rejuvination. We won't go anywhere with last years rabble in 2022. Let alone 2023. We won't even ma3ke it out of our group with these oupas...
We are definitely in need of rejuvenation. But that ship has sailed. It's possible to blame Covid as we lost a year of test matches, but I'm not sure they would have blooded many new players anyway.boere wors wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:37 pm The boks are in desperate need for rejuvination. We won't go anywhere with last years rabble in 2022. Let alone 2023. We won't even make it out of our group with these oupas...