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Vellacott makes sense if you want a co-captain who is more likely to be around when the internationalists are away.I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:19 pmVellacott as CC was the surprise for me as Price is surely the better player.Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:56 pmIt should be but Vellacott is on the bench. I know Gilchrist is starting but you don't make your second choice SH co-capt. Muncaster and Cherry over Bradbury and Ashman? Is Currie the best 12 and is he really behind a 13 who's played a handful of pro games?I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:49 pm
First game of the season with a mostly fit squad against Leinster at home really should be as first choice as things stand as possible.
Fair point about Ashman and maybe Bradbury too. First game of the season though I think we can read into Thompson over Healy.
Although we know who is 'properly' injured, we never know about who is carrying slight knocks/strains or how pre season training has gone for individual players and if they are fully 100% ready, etc. Also coaches will be looking at the block of games and trying to manage individuals game times and look to build combinations across the park. I doubt the coaches will ever be in a position where they have everyone fully fit and firing on all cylinders to pick from so it is difficult to read too much into team selections, even for the first game of the season!robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:58 amVellacott makes sense if you want a co-captain who is more likely to be around when the internationalists are away.I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:19 pmVellacott as CC was the surprise for me as Price is surely the better player.
Fair point about Ashman and maybe Bradbury too. First game of the season though I think we can read into Thompson over Healy.
Some of the selections could be the players who have showed up better in training or in last week's game, although that might be a bit radical for an Edinburgh coach.
Price isn't the player he was. Too slow getting the ball away which cost embra a few times last season. I'd start Vellacott.robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:58 amVellacott makes sense if you want a co-captain who is more likely to be around when the internationalists are away.I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:19 pmVellacott as CC was the surprise for me as Price is surely the better player.
Fair point about Ashman and maybe Bradbury too. First game of the season though I think we can read into Thompson over Healy.
Some of the selections could be the players who have showed up better in training or in last week's game, although that might be a bit radical for an Edinburgh coach.
Leinster rules in full effect already. I counted 6 offsides in a row on their try line but because Edinburgh had advantage that was apparently fine? No check on Leinster forward pass but an Edinburgh flat pass for a try pulled back live rather than allowing it to go to TMO? They are probably the best club team in world rugby, they don’t need help.
Not sure what is going on with the reffing. They have obviously been told to just make decisions - which I’m all for, even if it means a few mistakes - but then didn’t give time to check that pass, and then the one where Thompson was judged to have taken it over the line, it was close enough to ask for a TMO then the decision made immediately on the worst and most inconclusive angle.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:18 pmLeinster rules in full effect already. I counted 6 offsides in a row on their try line but because Edinburgh had advantage that was apparently fine? No check on Leinster forward pass but an Edinburgh flat pass for a try pulled back live rather than allowing it to go to TMO? They are probably the best club team in world rugby, they don’t need help.
Yeah - Celtic and Rangers* don’t need help either (well, not in Scotland) and yet that’s what they get every week.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:18 pmLeinster rules in full effect already. I counted 6 offsides in a row on their try line but because Edinburgh had advantage that was apparently fine? No check on Leinster forward pass but an Edinburgh flat pass for a try pulled back live rather than allowing it to go to TMO? They are probably the best club team in world rugby, they don’t need help.
Glasgow beat Munster in Ireland on their way to the title. Good though Leinster usually are, Edinburgh should never be satisfied with a loss to them at home.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm TBP is a decent result against Leinster no matter who they put out.
I think Price has been worse defensively than Duhan.
Aye, but Edinburgh aren’t Glasgow. Do I think they should aspire to be as good? Absolutely. Are they? Nowhere near.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:12 pmGlasgow beat Munster in Ireland on their way to the title. Good though Leinster usually are, Edinburgh should never be satisfied with a loss to them at home.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm TBP is a decent result against Leinster no matter who they put out.
I think Price has been worse defensively than Duhan.
Thats kind of what I meant but wasn’t very clear. He is really rubbish in defence but you can’t drop him
No, of course they aren’t, but it won’t help them get better if they settle for mediocre. A loss with 2 BPs is better than nowt though.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:25 pmAye, but Edinburgh aren’t Glasgow. Do I think they should aspire to be as good? Absolutely. Are they? Nowhere near.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:12 pmGlasgow beat Munster in Ireland on their way to the title. Good though Leinster usually are, Edinburgh should never be satisfied with a loss to them at home.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 pm TBP is a decent result against Leinster no matter who they put out.
I think Price has been worse defensively than Duhan.
I’ve said for years that Scott was harshly dealt with by Scotland. I always thought he was classy, and never seemed to get a shot when we started to improve as a side.Slick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:33 pm Positives:
Thompson- Healy was not good at all when he replaced him
Scott - quite a few of us often wondered why he wasn’t getting a look in with Scotland. Still am. He’s a class player
Bradbury looked interesting
Who was the replacement front row with the dirty moustache? He looked suitably assassin like
Yr Alban wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:54 pmI’ve said for years that Scott was harshly dealt with by Scotland. I always thought he was classy, and never seemed to get a shot when we started to improve as a side.Slick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:33 pm Positives:
Thompson- Healy was not good at all when he replaced him
Scott - quite a few of us often wondered why he wasn’t getting a look in with Scotland. Still am. He’s a class player
Bradbury looked interesting
Who was the replacement front row with the dirty moustache? He looked suitably assassin like
Was that Rae with the wee moustache? He looked scary and impressive.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:04 pm Venter was very good when he came on - he and Rae destroyed the Leinster front row.
It's great to see Muncaster back and hitting harder than most seasoned pros.
Scott and Tuipulotu look like our best paring right now, though I still have high hopes for Curry.
Ashman really needs to work on his darts as he's brilliant in all other aspects of his game.
Healy wasn't as bad as is being made out, he made a couple of howlers but also made a couple of really great contributions, Embra continue to need a really good 10.
Vellacott over Price for me
Leinster are a very difficult side to play against unless you have the power of Toulouse or La Rochelle but we need to find a way to bring our backline into the game more.
Two BPs is disappointing but not exactly unexpected - we need to raise those expectations
I won’t lie I didn’t really rate Tuipulotu snr for most of his first season at Glasgow. Never thought he would get a second season nevermind an international caps.Slick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:01 amWas that Rae with the wee moustache? He looked scary and impressive.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:04 pm Venter was very good when he came on - he and Rae destroyed the Leinster front row.
It's great to see Muncaster back and hitting harder than most seasoned pros.
Scott and Tuipulotu look like our best paring right now, though I still have high hopes for Curry.
Ashman really needs to work on his darts as he's brilliant in all other aspects of his game.
Healy wasn't as bad as is being made out, he made a couple of howlers but also made a couple of really great contributions, Embra continue to need a really good 10.
Vellacott over Price for me
Leinster are a very difficult side to play against unless you have the power of Toulouse or La Rochelle but we need to find a way to bring our backline into the game more.
Two BPs is disappointing but not exactly unexpected - we need to raise those expectations
Bit early to say that about Tuipulotu I think. NOT a criticism but I didn’t see very much of him last night and, apart from the big hit, what I did see looked very much like a guy on his debut at a level he’s not used to. There are obviously a lot of people in the wider set up that like what they see so im sure he’ll grow into it.
You were not aloneSomersetJock wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:05 amI won’t lie I didn’t really rate Tuipulotu snr for most of his first season at Glasgow. Never thought he would get a second season nevermind an international caps.Slick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:01 amWas that Rae with the wee moustache? He looked scary and impressive.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:04 pm Venter was very good when he came on - he and Rae destroyed the Leinster front row.
It's great to see Muncaster back and hitting harder than most seasoned pros.
Scott and Tuipulotu look like our best paring right now, though I still have high hopes for Curry.
Ashman really needs to work on his darts as he's brilliant in all other aspects of his game.
Healy wasn't as bad as is being made out, he made a couple of howlers but also made a couple of really great contributions, Embra continue to need a really good 10.
Vellacott over Price for me
Leinster are a very difficult side to play against unless you have the power of Toulouse or La Rochelle but we need to find a way to bring our backline into the game more.
Two BPs is disappointing but not exactly unexpected - we need to raise those expectations
Bit early to say that about Tuipulotu I think. NOT a criticism but I didn’t see very much of him last night and, apart from the big hit, what I did see looked very much like a guy on his debut at a level he’s not used to. There are obviously a lot of people in the wider set up that like what they see so im sure he’ll grow into it.
Shows how little I know
Good post. Although I slightly disagree about Thompson, thought he did the best he could with what he was gettingdpedin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:39 am Edinburgh were pretty poor last night against Leinster who fielded a mixed 1st and 2nd team. Yet again we leaked soft tries, gave away stupid penalties or possession in key areas at key times during the game. I thought the pack held their own and indeed could have claimed they whad slightly the upper hand up front. We looked better balanced once Bradbury came on and Muncaster was a real menace throughout the game. However Price and Thomson failed to control the game and their kicking was generally poor. It meant our midfield had nothing to play with and our danger men in the back three were starved of any decent ball. We played a lot off of Price and it didnt really work, his box kicking was awful, his service was slow and Leinster handled us with ease. The only time we really attacked with structure, pace and ball in hand in first half we scored a try. Vellacot made a big difference when he came on but Heally unfortunately didnt and made a few mistakes when trying to chase the game.
I ended up watching the game with a strong sense of deja vu, it almost reminded me of the Solomon era of pods of forwards, two or three phases then box kicking and hoping to pressure defenses into making mistakes ... and keep repeating regardless if it works or not and then only try and attack with ball in hand if we get into their 22. Lets be honest our game plan and lack of any attacking nous isnt going to win us many games, most other teams can easily defend against this now!