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Hugo wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:14 am
Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:52 pm
So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.
They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.
Not Scotland though.

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https://unwatch.org/unrwa-obstacle-to-peace/
UNRWA:

UN Schools use Western taxpayers’ money to teach Palestinian children to hate Jews

UN Watch Uncovers Group Chat of 3000 UNRWA Teachers Showing Widespread Support for Hamas Terrorism
Notwithstanding the repeated denials by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and its insistence that it has zero tolerance for hatred and antisemitism, UN Watch continues to find abhorrent antisemitism and support for jihadi terrorism by UNRWA staff on social media. This report details how UNRWA teachers in a 3,000-member UNRWA staff Telegram group cheered and celebrated Hamas’s October 7th massacre while at the same time asking when their UNRWA salaries will be paid. The UNRWA staff in the group shared photos and video footage of those events and prayed for the terrorists’ success and for Israel’s destruction, in clear violation of UN rules.

This is the latest in a series of reports on UNRWA staff antisemitism and incitement to jihadi terrorism which our research proves is systemic and widespread. Since 2015, UN Watch has exposed over 150 UNRWA staff Facebook pages that contain antisemitism and incitement to jihadi terrorism in blatant violation of UN neutrality. UNRWA’s typical response to our research has been to disparage our human rights organization and downplay the problem as reflecting just a few bad apples. The UNRWA Telegram group featured in this report completely eviscerates UNRWA’s denials and exposes the extent of UNRWA’s failure to do the bare minimum to address its staff’s neutrality violations.
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Ymx wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:52 pm https://unwatch.org/unrwa-obstacle-to-peace/
UNRWA:

UN Schools use Western taxpayers’ money to teach Palestinian children to hate Jews

UN Watch Uncovers Group Chat of 3000 UNRWA Teachers Showing Widespread Support for Hamas Terrorism
Notwithstanding the repeated denials by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and its insistence that it has zero tolerance for hatred and antisemitism, UN Watch continues to find abhorrent antisemitism and support for jihadi terrorism by UNRWA staff on social media. This report details how UNRWA teachers in a 3,000-member UNRWA staff Telegram group cheered and celebrated Hamas’s October 7th massacre while at the same time asking when their UNRWA salaries will be paid. The UNRWA staff in the group shared photos and video footage of those events and prayed for the terrorists’ success and for Israel’s destruction, in clear violation of UN rules.

This is the latest in a series of reports on UNRWA staff antisemitism and incitement to jihadi terrorism which our research proves is systemic and widespread. Since 2015, UN Watch has exposed over 150 UNRWA staff Facebook pages that contain antisemitism and incitement to jihadi terrorism in blatant violation of UN neutrality. UNRWA’s typical response to our research has been to disparage our human rights organization and downplay the problem as reflecting just a few bad apples. The UNRWA Telegram group featured in this report completely eviscerates UNRWA’s denials and exposes the extent of UNRWA’s failure to do the bare minimum to address its staff’s neutrality violations.
UN Watch was founded in 1993 under the chairmanship of Morris B. Abram. Abram served as the Chairman of the United Negro College Fund and President of Brandeis University. Abram was active in community affairs as President of the American Jewish Committee (1963–1968); Chairman of the National Coalition Supporting Soviet Jewry (1983–1988); and Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (1986–1989).[4]

Thanks forthe impartial link.
What did you think aout the fact checked link I posted aout Isreali kids singing about destroying Palestine?
ffs man/boy/girl this is not binary, Irael can not just fucking kill kids and destroy infrastructure

Well they can CLEARLY
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You are closing your eyes and blocking your ears to that ??

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Hugo wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:14 am
Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:52 pm
So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.
They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.
a criticism from the Israeli side is that UNRWA provides services such as education, health care, infrastructure and social services that should be the reposnivbily of the Hamas government, and in doing so leaves Hamas free to concentrate on its terror operations (using the billions of dollars of funding it gets from donors). the problem is UNRWA is compromised by its need to cooperate with Hamas, and fwiw the messages on the telegram channel by UNRWA teachers supporting October 7th seems legit to me
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Apparently, it’s all live on telegram
Hillel Neuer:

And I’ll just mention UNRWA, their spokesman, Adnan Abu Hasna, was interviewed by Raviv Drucker on Channel 13 and he said, “we don’t know we don’t know if the members of this Telegram group work for UNRWA, they don’t work for UNRWA.” He said, “how can we find out,” he said “we want to investigate, but how can we find out you know, all these things are happening in Gaza, and there’s no way for us to find out.”

Well, guess what, you don’t need to be in Gaza, the Telegram group is online. Very quickly, within an hour or two, we were able to identify individuals, who they were, their UNRWA contract ID numbers. Numerous details of the people posting, including the fact that several of them, of the admins of the group, the leaders of this Telegram group, work for UNRWA.

They are people who, on the Telegram group, share internal UNRWA information. It’s a group of teachers who are sort of temporary, they maybe work from month to month. They don’t yet have fixed term contracts, but they undergo UNRWA training, they have UNRWA contracts. And on the Telegram group, they’re sharing of all kinds of internal, relevant UNRWA teacher information. And then they’re celebrating October 7th, saying that we need to have the same education that these Hamas individuals have for them, they were heroes, the same kind of education that they had, we need to replicate. This is really shocking.
This from an interview
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ILTV: Now, you know, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres did issue a strongly worded statement condemning the October 7th attacks. The timing, though very strange, nearly 102 days after the fact. He’s remained mostly silent on Hamas’s crimes. Do you think his statement now has to do with what UN Watch has revealed?

Hillel Neuer: Look, there’s no way for us to conclusively attribute the motives for his statement, but the timing was noticed. Several people on social media noticed that we had called out the Secretary General for his failure to act and indeed their disparaging of our report, which is – no one has challenged any of the evidence.

There’s a Telegram group we’ve submitted, two days ago we started to publish a Twitter thread with thousands of UNRWA names that appeared on this group that were shared by them, with contract ID numbers from UNRWA. No one has challenged any of this, these details, this information. And so perhaps the Secretary General was feeling defensive. Perhaps that was a motivation for them to do this. But you know, when they, I would say, insulted us and questioned the credibility of the report, we put out an enormous amount of information, details of UNRWA teachers posting celebrations of terrorism.

Look, just yesterday, the British Home Secretary James Cleverly declared that Hizb ut-Tahrir is a terrorist group. And he said in part because they celebrated the October 7th attacks, therefore they are promoting and encouraging terrorism under British law. Under British law, we asked if thousands of UNRWA teachers are systematically celebrating the October 7th attacks, saying that we want our youth to be “breastfed the jihad,” and cheering the attacks, sharing photos and videos from the Hamas attackers on October 7th, is not UNRWA also becoming a group that is promoting and encouraging terrorism and therefore could UNRWA under British law be declared a terrorist group?
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It’s ILTV, yes an Israeli channel …
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Ymx wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:49 pm You are closing your eyes and blocking your ears to that ??

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What?
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Slick wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:58 am
Hugo wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:14 am
Calculon wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:52 pm
So far Australia, Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, France, the UK,.the US and probably other countries have suspended aid to them. Maybe New Zealand gives them money.
They have joined the US in suspending aid immediately on account of 12 people out of an overall staff of 13,000 being accused by Israel. By Israel. That's not even a tenth of a percent of the people they employ.

Yet they do not press with the same sense of urgency for a ceasefire despite thousands of dead bodies piling up.

If anything it makes those countries look like their priorities are messed up. Overreacting on suspending aid and a muted response in terms of speaking up on behalf of innocent Palestinians.
Not Scotland though.

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:thumbup: To their credit countries like Scotland, Ireland, Norway don't lose sight sight of the human element of these conflicts.

To others it seems like its part of a political chess match and the human life is just the cost of advancing your pieces on the board. Sadly, to many European countries these Palestinian lives are not worth the price of falling out of favour with Washington or Israel.
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Interesting message here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68173904

Reality is that every single one of those settlers is a law breaker.
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Israel has a strong supported in one GOP Rep.

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Kiwias wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:32 am Israel has a strong supported in one GOP Rep.

You actually cannot make this up, he considers himself pro life, from his website:
https://mast.house.gov/blog?ID=D1E4B1E2 ... 465135150D
Each and every day, Brianna and I thank God for the four miracles in our lives: Magnum, Maverick, Madalyn and Major. They are a blessing to us, and I couldn’t imagine life without them.

The far-left activists who call for abortions, even at the last moment just before birth, shame pregnant women into getting abortions. In fact, they have influenced the Biden Administration to propose a new rule to restrict funding for pregnancy centers that serve new mothers.

By doing so, they reject the innocent unborn babies from the God-given unalienable rights—life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Americans understand each life is sacred and should be protected - this is what House Republicans continue to fight for.


This is why the House passed the Supporting Pregnant and Parenting Women and Families Act, which will block the Biden Administration from restricting funds for pregnancy centers. The House also passed the Pregnant Students’ Rights Act, which would require schools to inform all pregnant college students of their rights and protections to carry a pregnancy to term, like modified class schedules, excused absences and others.

We should celebrate life in America. I will continue to support women who are fighting to protect life every step of the way.
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The scale of the reprisal actions is something else.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... dApp_Other
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This kid keeps on exposing idiots



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God I hope this is not true.

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So when Israel say they will demilitarised Gaza what exactly do they mean?
The IDF will be able to kill and attack whoever they want with impunity or it will be demilitarised.
By demilitarised I mean no military at all.
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Ymx wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:49 pm God I hope this is not true.

I don't normally like you Kiwi. But these Celts. Someone has to straighten them out 😂
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Ymx wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:49 pm God I hope this is not true.

I'm sure many of the hostages that were taken have already
been murdered, some soon after being captured, but that list seems to be unverified. Totally irresponsible to be spreading it around if so.
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Calculon wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:38 am
Ymx wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:49 pm God I hope this is not true.

I'm sure many of the hostages that were taken have already
been murdered, some soon after being captured, but that list seems to be unverified. Totally irresponsible to be spreading it around if so.
Pictures of babies are always good propaganda
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What are you even saying?

Who cares !
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UNRWA again

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Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:50 pm UNRWA again

So you are suggesting UNRWA built it?
Btw. Whatever happened to the HAMAS head quarters under the hospital.
You know the one that never existed.
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C69 wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:57 pm
Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:50 pm UNRWA again

So you are suggesting UNRWA built it?
Btw. Whatever happened to the HAMAS head quarters under the hospital.
You know the one that never existed.
Nope.

Are you saying UNRWA were not aware of what they were hiding ?
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Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:01 pm
C69 wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:57 pm

So you are suggesting UNRWA built it?
Btw. Whatever happened to the HAMAS head quarters under the hospital.
You know the one that never existed.
Nope.

Are you saying UNRWA were not aware of what they were hiding ?
If the most technically advanced army in the world, coupled with the most highly rated intelligence agencies in the game couldn't tell the difference between empty tunnels under a hospital and an advanced command centre, then perhaps expecting a UN agency set up for aid and governance delivery to know what is going on underground is a bit unrealistic.

I find your hysteria over tunnels under Gaza curious. It's Palestinian territory... currently governed by Hamas. Whatever we all think of Hamas basically being a bunch of cunce, they are entitled to do what they want within their own territory. Finding tunnels in itself isn't a big deal, despite your attempts to drive a reaction to them.

Meanwhile, Israel continues to kill children at a phenomenal rate... in self defense, of course. Because kids really scare the shit out of the world's most advanced armies.
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So you think UNRWA with feet on the ground had no idea about what they were hiding ??
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So I guess the key asset wasn’t under the hospital, as was uncovered soon after, but was in fact under UNRWA HQ.
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Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:40 pm So you think UNRWA with feet on the ground had no idea about what they were hiding ??
I think that's plausible, yeah. We don't know where the access to that tunnel complex lies... actually, we don't know anything about it other than being told by Israel that it's under the UNRWA building. I' not inclined to believe anything from Israel at face value, particularly with regard to UNRWA.

There's also the issue of UNRWA's remit having nothing to do with intelligence gathering. You want them to be impartial but you also want them to be either collecting intelligence or investigating. It's not consistent with their role. I'm assuming, of course, that Hamas' tunnel infrastructure isn't set up like a tube station entrance.
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Here’s a vid which shows the extent of the connections to underground. A large breadth of cables, which were severed in the UNRWA HQ (above ground)

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YMX exactly how many UNRWA staff have been found guilty of being complicit with Hamas or guilty of anything?
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C69 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:18 pm YMX exactly how many UNRWA staff have been found guilty of being complicit with Hamas or guilty of anything?


It’s early days … and probably not a hill you wish to die on.



Meanwhile they have added security

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This is getting crazy now!

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Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:04 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:18 pm YMX exactly how many UNRWA staff have been found guilty of being complicit with Hamas or guilty of anything?


It’s early days … and probably not a hill you wish to die on.



Meanwhile they have added security

The answer you are looking for ATM is zero.
You do realise that employees and contractors are placed on a list that is given to Israel every year for approval. As recently as last May all UNRWA workers had been vetted and approved by Israel.
Israel missed all this tunnel building and now allegedly missed terrorists in their vetting.
Seems like either incompetence of some degree of complicity. Israels internal security is increasingly losing credibility.
There is also an ivestigation into how some of these dosiers have found their way into USA hands.
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If you don’t think this is a smoking gun, I worry.

I’m confused as to what you’re now implying?? Complicity? In what? Are you saying UNRWA are supporting Hamas? And that Israel was complicit? Holy shit ! You’re on the conspiracy spectrum !!!

FYI, there have been allegations for years about UNRWA. Especially by the U.N. watch entity.

I guess the vetting was not perfect. But I guess when 80% of Gaza supports Hamas, there is bound to be this.

The trigger has been the outright involvement of around a dozen of them in Oct 7, currently being investigated. And compounded by the terrorist celebrations exposed in the telegram channel which I believe is still active.






https://t.me/UNRWA_edu
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Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:26 pm If you don’t think this is a smoking gun, I worry.

I’m confused as to what you’re now implying?? Complicity? In what? Are you saying UNRWA are supporting Hamas? And that Israel was complicit? Holy shit ! You’re on the conspiracy spectrum !!!

FYI, there have been allegations for years about UNRWA. Especially by the U.N. watch entity.

I guess the vetting was not perfect. But I guess when 80% of Gaza supports Hamas, there is bound to be this.

The trigger has been the outright involvement of around a dozen of them in Oct 7, currently being investigated. And compounded by the terrorist celebrations exposed in the telegram channel which I believe is still active.






https://t.me/UNRWA_edu
You have completely misunderstood my post. It's pretty clear really.
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You called Israel complicit
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Speaking of complicit

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/worl ... &sgrp=c-cb
Israel has long made a broader accusation: UNRWA didn’t go far enough to root out Hamas and was unwilling to clean up systematically. It has said UNRWA is a completely compromised organization that is too weak to protect against infiltration and needs to be replaced by a more neutral aid group.

Last month, Israel accused 12 UNRWA staff members of participating in the Hamas-led raid on Israel at the start of the war on Oct. 7 or in the raid’s aftermath. It has also said that one in 10 UNRWA employees in Gaza are Hamas members.

These two claims — for which Israel provided some evidence to the United States, albeit not publicly — have led at least 19 foreign funders to suspend donations for the agency. The loss of funding has endangered UNRWA’s existence when the majority of Gazans depend on the group for food and shelter.

UNRWA’s leaders say the agency strives to ensure its 13,000 employees in Gaza uphold standards of neutrality, regularly training its staff to stay above politics and investigating those who do not. But they add that it is impossible for UNRWA — like any large organization that draws its staff from a cross-section of society — to track the private political allegiances of all its employees.

“What we want to make sure is that our staff does not have a public political function, because that would be completely incompatible with the function of a civil servant,” Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA’s commissioner general, said in an interview with The New York Times on Friday.

But, Mr. Lazzarini added, “Our employees are part of the social fabric of Gaza and its ecosystem. And as part of the social fabric in Gaza, you have also Hamas.”

While Mr. Lazzarini fired most of the 12 employees accused of connections to Oct. 7, he said he had not been able to personally investigate the claims, in part because of the dire situation inside Gaza, and that they had been fired without due process. A separate U.N. investigative unit based in New York is now looking into the accusations.

In Israel’s view, UNRWA should have been far more proactive in protecting its neutrality. Israelis have often said the group has done too little to stop Hamas from building military infrastructure close to its facilities, or even from using those facilities to store munitions.

To bolster that argument, the Israeli military this week led a group of international journalists, including two for The Times, to one of the many tunnels dug by Hamas underneath Gaza to house its military infrastructure.

Roughly 20 yards beneath an upscale neighborhood of Gaza City, the tunnel ran in a southeasterly direction from under an UNRWA-run school. After passing under a major road, the tunnel eventually led to a subterranean communications hub, full of servers and computer hardware, that lay directly beneath UNRWA’s sprawling headquarters in the territory.
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Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:31 pm You called Israel complicit
No I didn't. Read my post again.
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"The way Israel is conducting this war, they're not winning against Hamas.

When you're in a counter-insugency campaign like this, you can't just kill terrorists, because you have to be aware that you might kill a terrorist, and at the same time his brother might sign up.

And we know, based on just facts...just based on statistics, that there is more support for Hamas now in Gaza, more support for Hamas in the West Bank, indeed more support for Hamas in the Arab world, than there was before October 7th.

That's not a good sign for Israel's success."

- Rep. Seth Moulton (D) Massachusetts
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