NPR

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:57 pm

Sage documents also say only one in five people are fully self-isolating at home when they get symptoms.

Isn't the need to travel to a test centre to confirm that you have/haven't the virus making this somewhat self -defeating? Even with drive-through sites, if you can't drive yourself (either you don't drive or are too unwell) and you have symptoms already then you're putting someone else at risk to get you there.

I think that’s being generous to the selfish pricks

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:57 pm

Sage documents also say only one in five people are fully self-isolating at home when they get symptoms.

Isn't the need to travel to a test centre to confirm that you have/haven't the virus making this somewhat self -defeating? Even with drive-through sites, if you can't drive yourself (either you don't drive or are too unwell) and you have symptoms already then you're putting someone else at risk to get you there.

Combine it with an eye test, it's fine.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:15 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:17 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 am

PHE is trash, but The Government has been hugely flawed in this awarding contracts to clueless friends rather than those in the business. It's no coincidence that posters here pointed out the most COVID infected area of Australia got that way through a private contracts where other states used the public sector and didn't.

And yet private providers did fine in Germany and Switzerland.

Were the providers for profit companies?

Serco has a long list of failures and Deloitte are being fined all over the shop. Too big to fail even though they fail repeatedly.

Providers are only as good/bad as their government contract managers, most who i have encountered i wouldnt let manage a public toilet.

Reports in the Australian media today that the UK is entering a 2nd wave. Stay safe boets

Interestingly, these reports are in the same media that has been demanding that Australian states ease restrictions for months. So I guess governments are damned either way?

The rise in UK cases is pretty sharp and growing.

Deaths are climbing in the uk as well.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:06 pm Deaths are climbing in the uk as well.

Sadly, if the Australian context is anything to go by, increased deaths will follow increase numbers of infections. We've had six times as many deaths in our 2nd wave here than we had in the first wave in March/April.

Yep, and as cases are still rising, so will deaths. At least we're not France though... Hope we act before we get there.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:17 pm Yep, and as cases are still rising, so will deaths. At least we're not France though... Hope we act before we get there.

Victoria got to around 750 new cases per day at its peak. And despite some of the most onerous lockdown conditions anywhere on Earth they've still had 600 deaths since late June in that state alone. They are today down to 21 new cases so hopefully the deaths will slow down.

Jb1981 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:24 pm The rise in UK cases is pretty sharp and growing.

Hospital admissions are doubling every 8 days, although that is from a low base.

https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status ... 77864?s=09

India records 93,337 new infections overnight. Ouch. Certainly puts the challenges we are facing here in Australia into some context.

Those graphs showing UK positive tests are misrepresentations, the figures for the peak are an order of magnitude wrong for the numbers infected at the time.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:42 am

Jb1981 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:24 pm The rise in UK cases is pretty sharp and growing.

Hospital admissions are doubling every 8 days, although that is from a low base.

https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status ... 77864?s=09

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

Lots of those sent home though.

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:49 am Those graphs showing UK positive tests are misrepresentations, the figures for the peak are an order of magnitude wrong for the numbers infected at the time.

They can't make up stats they don't have. Which is why they made the point of noting when testing increased. Any 'truly' representative graph would be guesswork.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:05 am

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:49 am Those graphs showing UK positive tests are misrepresentations, the figures for the peak are an order of magnitude wrong for the numbers infected at the time.

They can't make up stats they don't have. Which is why they made the point of noting when testing increased. Any 'truly' representative graph would be guesswork.

It's probably best to ignore the first peak of cases and consider the current rate of change.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:10 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:05 am

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:49 am Those graphs showing UK positive tests are misrepresentations, the figures for the peak are an order of magnitude wrong for the numbers infected at the time.

They can't make up stats they don't have. Which is why they made the point of noting when testing increased. Any 'truly' representative graph would be guesswork.

It's probably best to ignore the first peak of cases and consider the current rate of change.

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:10 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:05 am

They can't make up stats they don't have. Which is why they made the point of noting when testing increased. Any 'truly' representative graph would be guesswork.

It's probably best to ignore the first peak of cases and consider the current rate of change.

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:26 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:10 am

It's probably best to ignore the first peak of cases and consider the current rate of change.

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, the deaths are probably going to be the most accurate figure you have in the interim.

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:07 am Unfortunately, the deaths are probably going to be the most accurate figure you have in the interim.

You’d hope they could count the dead people accurately!

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:20 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:07 am Unfortunately, the deaths are probably going to be the most accurate figure you have in the interim.

You’d hope they could count the dead people accurately!

Quite. Yet it will depend on the definition of cause and what definition prevailed in the past relative to currently, in relation to Covid obviously.

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:25 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:20 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:07 am Unfortunately, the deaths are probably going to be the most accurate figure you have in the interim.

You’d hope they could count the dead people accurately!

Quite. Yet it will depend on the definition of cause and what definition prevailed in the past relative to currently, in relation to Covid obviously.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:19 am India records 93,337 new infections overnight. Ouch. Certainly puts the challenges we are facing here in Australia into some context.

If ever there was a country that provided the perfect conditions for Coronavirus to spread, it's India.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:31 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:19 am India records 93,337 new infections overnight. Ouch. Certainly puts the challenges we are facing here in Australia into some context.

If ever there was a country that provided the perfect conditions for Coronavirus to spread, it's India.

The population is young though, only 6% over the age of 65.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:26 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:10 am

It's probably best to ignore the first peak of cases and consider the current rate of change.

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Also true of politicians. Last time I checked there were 5 out of 650 MPs at Westminster who had a STEM degree.

Just checked and it’s changed a fair amount, it’s twenty something now. But that’s still shockingly low.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:11 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:26 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:14 am

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately we panicked people so much (rightly so) that they are fixated on numbers and aren't really factoring in the increased ability to catch cases so we get headlines like 'most cases since April!!!!!!!' without much explanation that it's not comparable.

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Also true of politicians. Last time I checked there were 5 out of 650 MPs at Westminster who had a STEM degree.

Just checked and it’s changed a fair amount, it’s twenty something now. But that’s still shockingly low.

Obviously it's not what you need to get ahead in the Great British Bluffocracy.

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:15 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:11 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:26 am

We are not really being helped by the media.

I've known quite a few journalists and most of them are pretty clueless when it comes to numbers, unfortunately.

Also true of politicians. Last time I checked there were 5 out of 650 MPs at Westminster who had a STEM degree.

Just checked and it’s changed a fair amount, it’s twenty something now. But that’s still shockingly low.

Obviously it's not what you need to get ahead in the Great British Bluffocracy.

Yeah, bluffing, bluster and persuasion don’t get you that far in science and engineering.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:20 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:07 am Unfortunately, the deaths are probably going to be the most accurate figure you have in the interim.

You’d hope they could count the dead people accurately!

You’d think, however they’ve made a second correction on that this week. They’re correcting by 1,000’s

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:17 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:33 am The problem with initial testing wasn’t that PHE was sidelined it was they resisted at PHE all private sector help .... that lasted months .

PHE totally at fault .

PHE is trash, but The Government has been hugely flawed in this awarding contracts to clueless friends rather than those in the business. It's no coincidence that posters here pointed out the most COVID infected area of Australia got that way through a private contracts where other states used the public sector and didn't.

And yet private providers did fine in Germany and Switzerland.

PHE are under direct control of Hancock and the Department, They dont do anything without his say so.

'Public Health England (PHE) is an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) which is the expert national public health agency which fulfils the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care's statutory duty to protect health and address inequalities, and executes his power to promote the ... '

dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:56 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:17 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 am

PHE is trash, but The Government has been hugely flawed in this awarding contracts to clueless friends rather than those in the business. It's no coincidence that posters here pointed out the most COVID infected area of Australia got that way through a private contracts where other states used the public sector and didn't.

And yet private providers did fine in Germany and Switzerland.

PHE are under direct control of Hancock and the Department, They dont do anything without his say so.

'Public Health England (PHE) is an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) which is the expert national public health agency which fulfils the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care's statutory duty to protect health and address inequalities, and executes his power to promote the ... '

The running argument within PHE on using private provision back in Mar / April is well documented. Hancock is a f ucking lunatic btw.

I want to change all health provision in the UK , I don’t want any politician to be that close to decisions.

They need to make spreaders more accountable.

" Bolton's high rate had been linked back to pubs and a "cohort of people" who refused to follow guidance.
It is currently subject to tighter restrictions to halt the rise.
Mr Greenhalgh told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the spike "took us by surprise as we were arguing to have a further easing of restrictions at the time".
He said: "We had an extreme spike where we went from 12 cases per 100,000 and in less than three weeks we were up at 212 cases."

The rise led Bolton to have the highest rates of Covid-19 in the country.
"We had somebody who did not adhere to quarantine, did not stay the 14 days, literally went on a pub crawl with a number of mates," Mr Greenhalgh said.
"From that incident which took place over a weekend - (they) visited a number of premises - led to a large number of individual transmissions from that one person which you can imagine then is like holding back the tide because he then became symptomatic two days after they had all gone on this pub crawl.
"That is four or five days where all the people he was in contact with have been going about their normal day-to-day business."

A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:14 pm A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

I did think something similar but thought maybe I was being a bit mean.


I dont understand what is going on overall. Its like some people have forgotten the last 7 months and couldnt care less about the consequnces.
Looking at the younger generation here.

Wash hands, wear a mask, social distance. If you do that it, shouldnt spread .


Came across a Twitch stream of Swedish girls in Italy just totally not giving a monkeys

Yeah yeah, lol Swedish girls on Twitch

It was a random thing

Glaston wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:14 pm A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

I did think something similar but thought maybe I was being a bit mean.


I dont understand what is going on overall. Its like some people have forgotten the last 7 months and couldnt care less about the consequnces.
Looking at the younger generation here.

Wash hands, wear a mask, social distance. If you do that it, shouldnt spread .


Came across a Twitch stream of Swedish girls in Italy just totally not giving a monkeys

Yeah yeah, lol Swedish girls on Twitch

It was a random thing

Was Yeeb watching too?

Well in the North routine appointments being cancelled, critical care beds filling up with Covid pneumonitis.
Great stuff....not

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:00 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:56 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:14 pm A 20k fine and some jailtime would not be excessive

I did think something similar but thought maybe I was being a bit mean.


I dont understand what is going on overall. Its like some people have forgotten the last 7 months and couldnt care less about the consequnces.
Looking at the younger generation here.

Wash hands, wear a mask, social distance. If you do that it, shouldnt spread .


Came across a Twitch stream of Swedish girls in Italy just totally not giving a monkeys

Yeah yeah, lol Swedish girls on Twitch

It was a random thing

Was Yeeb watching too?

That would be worrying.


Did come across a Youtube channel that would suit him

https://www.youtube.com/c/Sailingdoodle ... _polymer=1

Anything with Taylor in it.
and I am not a boob guy.

Well shit - wanna poor more fear onto me?

A new study of more than one million people suggests those with a certain blood type are less at risk of contracting Covid-19 than others.

The study of 1.05 million participants over four months, published on medrxiv.org, has found people with O-type blood may be less susceptible to contracting coronavirus.

The results have not been peer reviewed.

The study is based on research results from personal genomics and biotechnology company 23andMe, which conducted the work this year. So probably means I am safe. Phew

It found people with O-type blood appear to be at a lower risk of being infected and also are less likely to have a severe case of the disease.

Interesting article

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bo ... HxxsLG59vA