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The Scottish Politics Thread
I'm going with unionists desperately hoping it's to do with personalities and not realising it's something deeper.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
This is worth a watch, even if only a smidgen of this is true it a really shocking, and a sad indictment of the state of the country.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... o-to-make/
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... o-to-make/
Jockaline wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:30 am This is worth a watch. Even if only a smidgen of this is true it's really shocking, and a sad indictment of the state of the country.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... o-to-make/
All the he said she said pish about Salmond has meant that important questions which are more relevant to people haven’t been asked. Half the UK adult population has been vaccinated, but Scotland is only 45%. But the main opposition party in Scotland is wanking so hard over a parliamentary report that the vast majority of the public doesn’t give a shit about, they haven’t actually pushed the government on why this is the case.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
It would be a lot worse if the UK went along with the SNP - and others - to have went with the EU/EMA and their woeful handling of the jabs.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:28 pm All the he said she said pish about Salmond has meant that important questions which are more relevant to people haven’t been asked. Half the UK adult population has been vaccinated, but Scotland is only 45%. But the main opposition party in Scotland is wanking so hard over a parliamentary report that the vast majority of the public doesn’t give a shit about, they haven’t actually pushed the government on why this is the case.
Having had mine on Thursday I am quite happy we are so far ahead of EU nations with most of them going into another extended lockdown.
As a bit of an aside, it's a false equivalence to suggest that the EMA / EU would have done the same pretty poor job if the UK was still in the EU (I know that's not what you're referring to here, but thought I'd throw it in as it's an interesting point that no one talks about). The EMA was based in London, and when it relocated to Amsterdam they lost a lot of staff to the MHRA. People seem to forget that the EMA had been gutted of staff in the year before the pandemic broke out. Also the UK would have either weighed in to alter the approach or would have gone it's own way regardless, which it could have done within the EU.westport wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:27 pmIt would be a lot worse if the UK went along with the SNP - and others - to have went with the EU/EMA and their woeful handling of the jabs.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:28 pm All the he said she said pish about Salmond has meant that important questions which are more relevant to people haven’t been asked. Half the UK adult population has been vaccinated, but Scotland is only 45%. But the main opposition party in Scotland is wanking so hard over a parliamentary report that the vast majority of the public doesn’t give a shit about, they haven’t actually pushed the government on why this is the case.
Having had mine on Thursday I am quite happy we are so far ahead of EU nations with most of them going into another extended lockdown.
For the situation we were actually in, which is what you're talking about, so far as I understood it at the time people were talking about buying in to the EU procurement as an additional source, rather than chucking everything in with them, it's definitely the way I was thinking at the time.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with your premise, do you really think it would be any different to education, health, economy etc where they are performing poorly and the answer is always Westminster?Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:28 pm All the he said she said pish about Salmond has meant that important questions which are more relevant to people haven’t been asked. Half the UK adult population has been vaccinated, but Scotland is only 45%. But the main opposition party in Scotland is wanking so hard over a parliamentary report that the vast majority of the public doesn’t give a shit about, they haven’t actually pushed the government on why this is the case.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
John Curtice suggesting the opposition parties may have shot themselves in the foot over this. They’ve made leadership the key issue for the election and most of the electorate still thinks Sturgeon is a significantly better leader than any of the others.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I don’t know much about the Labour guy, but it’s low bar otherwise
Calling for Sturgeon’s resignation before she gave evidence and again before the independent review had published was never going to go well
Yes, she lied but that’s it now.
Agree with the guys above also, the opposition parties have played it terribly and probably now lost a chunk of the switherers
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Yeah, if you commit this amount of political capital to a topic and fail, you look weak and ineffective.
And the Tories will continue to bang on about this for the whole election campaign, when all but those who would vote for them anyway will want them to talk about something else. It will just look like whining. They’ll lose the fishing communities off the back of Brexit as well.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I assumed the Hamilton report was known for a while hence all the capital invested in its outcome and discrediting the Parliamentary committee report. Salmond was always going to have to find a smoking gun to force her resignation - I honestly think even if todays report had come out the other way Sturgeon would brazen it out.
Notice yet another Indyref announcement was made today.
Notice yet another Indyref announcement was made today.
Most sensible people never really looked at as a resignation issue even if she had been found to have broken the code but they could have gone for the dishonesty angle (FM and others) instead of the money shot and made something of it even after this report. Even that has gone now really.Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:28 pmYeah, if you commit this amount of political capital to a topic and fail, you look weak and ineffective.
And the Tories will continue to bang on about this for the whole election campaign, when all but those who would vote for them anyway will want them to talk about something else. It will just look like whining. They’ll lose the fishing communities off the back of Brexit as well.
I still think it is going to be tight - majority/no majority, not the result - but they need to drop the no confidence vote and use it as another issue rather than the main thrust. It is quite startling that all parties just seem to be trying to appeal to their core vote rather than chasing the undecided
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Have the last few Indy polls not swung back the other way?
EDIT: Just saw one from yesterday swung back to yes!
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
For all she was cleared by the "independent " investigation, he does state that it is up to the ScotParl to decide if she did or otherwise mislead parliament and with the Greens firmly in the back pocket she will be found to have not.
What is more worrying is that for someone in such a position, with such a terrible memory, her first job should be to get that looked at.
What is more worrying is that for someone in such a position, with such a terrible memory, her first job should be to get that looked at.
From the Herald
Cyber vandals altered the wikipedia entry on the man charged with deciding whether Nicola Sturgeon broke the ministerial code to say he was a member of the SNP.
Within hourss of the release of James Hamilton's report on whether the First Minister had fallen short of ministerial standards, the short entry on Mr hamilton;s career was changed to say he was a former member of her political party.
The edit has since been corrected, but not before some on social media had begin to quote it.
SNP are famously opaque about how many members they have and the last set of accounts they published do not suggest a massive membership (by its own past standards). Some suggestion the 'thousands of new memberships' may well be renewals.
Anyway - Salmond widely believed to be making a statement in an hour or so.....assume he's standing for HR.
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:55 pmSNP are famously opaque about how many members they have and the last set of accounts they published do not suggest a massive membership (by its own past standards). Some suggestion the 'thousands of new memberships' may well be renewals.
Anyway - Salmond widely believed to be making a statement in an hour or so.....assume he's standing for HR.
Even the Herald in its very own particular method of spin are admitting to the growth in membership, whilst having a swipe at the SNP at the same time
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/191 ... nd-affair/
Not sure that Herald article sheds any more light on it - we simply have to take the SNPs word on it although the apparent disappearance of the ring fenced 'indyref2' fund into general spending and the extra branch levies do suggest otherwise.
Anyway surprised that's the part you commented on - Salmond standing against the SNP is sensational news - if he stands in NS's constituency even on the list presumably he'll be up against her in hustings.
Anyway surprised that's the part you commented on - Salmond standing against the SNP is sensational news - if he stands in NS's constituency even on the list presumably he'll be up against her in hustings.
Alex Salmond to stand for Holyrood for new pro-independence Alba Party. He will be the leader
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/poli ... e-23801422
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/poli ... e-23801422
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:03 pm Alex Salmond to stand for Holyrood for new pro-independence Alba Party. He will be the leader
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/poli ... e-23801422
who saw this coming? Apart from everyone.I suspected the movement would end up eating itself but not as quick as this.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Slightly disturbed that I have a drunken Thai tattoo on my arm that says "Alba"
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Actually agree with Biffer on this - the greens have burrowed out a nice niche as the SNPs simps in Holyrood - the gig might be about to end.
I don't know enough about it to be perfectly honest, but I think that's a bit of wishful thinking, there are a lot of folk going to be jumping the SNP ship to join Salmond
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
I think Biffer is right in that this could well hurt the Greens.
Alba is being touted as a list-only party, the SNP didn't win too many seats from the Additional Member list last time.
I haven't read through the numbers yet, but Salmond claims that under current polling the SNP wouldn't win any list seats, whereas that is where the Greens won representation last time.
Of course it doesn't directly translate like that, but it's an interesting proposition.
I think it would be a shame if the Green voice is lost in this.
Alba is being touted as a list-only party, the SNP didn't win too many seats from the Additional Member list last time.
I haven't read through the numbers yet, but Salmond claims that under current polling the SNP wouldn't win any list seats, whereas that is where the Greens won representation last time.
Of course it doesn't directly translate like that, but it's an interesting proposition.
I think it would be a shame if the Green voice is lost in this.
I think a lot of folk who give their second vote to the greens will give it to Salmond / Alba instead. They won't have enough candidates to contest many seats, but will go onto all of the lists. Hence taking votes from the Greens. So he's actually picked a tricky fight - mostly with Patrick Harvie, who is very well liked by younger voters, minority groups and women.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Cheers, got it - just been frantically reading up on it all...Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:14 pmI think a lot of folk who give their second vote to the greens will give it to Salmond / Alba instead. They won't have enough candidates to contest many seats, but will go onto all of the lists. Hence taking votes from the Greens. So he's actually picked a tricky fight - mostly with Patrick Harvie, who is very well liked by younger voters, minority groups and women.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul