NPR

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:44 am

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:36 pm Andy Burke on the BBC podcast stated earlier that one of the embra coaches, wouldn't name him, went up to the coaches box gobbing off about them having slated Kenny the week before, expecting plaudits this week. Absolutely bonkers that they don't think they deserve pelters for losing 5 on the bounce and shitting their pants against the Lions and that they think 1 win, with many flaws still, vindicates him (and presumably the rest of them by association).

ETA: The club is fucked if that mindset is endemic in throughout and considering how often the internationals fail to show up I fear it is.

If the Stormers were capable of passing, catching, holding on or kicking the ball then Embra would have struggled and been down at half time. The win was as much a measure of how awful the Stormers were as it was of Embra skill levels. I struggle to think of one backs move we executed throughout the game albeit the game plan of forward pods and box kicking was perfect against a Stormers back 3 who couldn't catch a cold let alone a high ball. I suspect we might struggle against a Cardiff team on Saturday who will be targeting us for an away win and will be well aware of how we play the game at the moment.

I am still not convinced that our current coaching set up is taking us forward and indeed fully expect us to finish off in the bottom half of the league again this year.

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:18 pm I think it is worth noting that very few front row forwards from other nations in last year's U20 Six Nations are playing Premiership/URC level rugby so I am not sure where this level of expectation for the Edinburgh youngsters is coming from.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:36 pm Andy Burke on the BBC podcast stated earlier that one of the embra coaches, wouldn't name him, went up to the press box gobbing off about them having slated Kenny the week before, expecting plaudits this week. Absolutely bonkers that they don't think they deserve pelters for losing 5 on the bounce and shitting their pants against the Lions and that they think 1 win, with many flaws still, vindicates him (and presumably the rest of them by association).

ETA: The club is fucked if that mindset is endemic in throughout and considering how often the internationals fail to show up I fear it is.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:39 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:36 pm Andy Burke on the BBC podcast stated earlier that one of the embra coaches, wouldn't name him, went up to the press box gobbing off about them having slated Kenny the week before, expecting plaudits this week. Absolutely bonkers that they don't think they deserve pelters for losing 5 on the bounce and shitting their pants against the Lions and that they think 1 win, with many flaws still, vindicates him (and presumably the rest of them by association).

ETA: The club is fucked if that mindset is endemic in throughout and considering how often the internationals fail to show up I fear it is.

What an embarrassment that is.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:09 am I hear Tom Jordan has been injured in training, and could be out the the games in RSA, Big blow to Glasgow if that is the case

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:19 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:39 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:36 pm Andy Burke on the BBC podcast stated earlier that one of the embra coaches, wouldn't name him, went up to the press box gobbing off about them having slated Kenny the week before, expecting plaudits this week. Absolutely bonkers that they don't think they deserve pelters for losing 5 on the bounce and shitting their pants against the Lions and that they think 1 win, with many flaws still, vindicates him (and presumably the rest of them by association).

ETA: The club is fucked if that mindset is endemic in throughout and considering how often the internationals fail to show up I fear it is.

What an embarrassment that is.

They could use it to their advantage, build a "Fuck 'em all" siege mentality and promote a hard edge to the side.

I'll be the first to say that "could" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:09 am I hear Tom Jordan has been injured in training, and could be out the the games in RSA, Big blow to Glasgow if that is the case

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:03 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:05 am That is the centre pairing I want to see kick on.

There is a bit of oomph in that back row, I hope they go well

Jock42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:11 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:05 am That is the centre pairing I want to see kick on.

There is a bit of oomph in that back row, I hope they go well

Definitely prefer Currie at 13.

Think I'd have swapped Crosbie and Muncaster, for as good as ge was, but I can certainly live with it. Glad Harrison is starting again, needs to gain confidence in his lineouts.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:12 am Kyle Steyn ruled out for the next 6 to 8 weeks due to injury. Will miss all the RSA URC games, and the Autumn Internationals

Achahoish wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:39 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:12 am Kyle Steyn ruled out for the next 6 to 8 weeks due to injury. Will miss all the RSA URC games, and the Autumn Internationals

Where did you get that from? He's listed to play today.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:03 am

Achahoish wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:39 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:12 am Kyle Steyn ruled out for the next 6 to 8 weeks due to injury. Will miss all the RSA URC games, and the Autumn Internationals

Where did you get that from? He's listed to play today.

You may be mixing up your Kyles

Rowe is playing, Steyn is out

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:03 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:25 pm There are some good and some very promising players in that Edinburgh team. Tuipulotu looks like he could be every bit as good as his brother, Matt Currie made some really good breaks. Duhan is Duhan, Graham looks like he is getting back to his best. Goosen is very good at this level. Thompson is growing on me, Price played well after a couple of howlers of games.

With Boff and Paterson to come in we have some exciting individuals, but they need a pattern to play to and I don't see one at the moment. Currie and Tuipulotu were making good breaks but the lack of execution at the end of it was very frustrating.

Btw, Embra up to 6th with Connacht to play Leinster just now.

I'll happily go down one if the Wesht can put one over on The Dubs.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:35 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:18 pm I think it is worth noting that very few front row forwards from other nations in last year's U20 Six Nations are playing Premiership/URC level rugby so I am not sure where this level of expectation for the Edinburgh youngsters is coming from.

Mikey Jones played U20 rugby in 2021.

I think there are some quite outdated views on this here so here are some comparisons to other 2021 props that shape my view*. This is the tournament props for each of the U20 6N squads and where they are now:

Scotland
Olly Frostwick: no pro appearances
George Breese: no pro appearances
Cole Lamberton: no pro appearances
Corey Bowker: no pro appearances
Mikey Jones: 1 appearance for Edinburgh totalling 5 minutes. 200 minutes in the English Championship

France
Henzo Kiteau: 30+ appearances across D2, Top14 and Challenge cup for 600+ minutes
Victor Montgaillard: 30+ appearances across Top14 and Challenge cup for 1000+ minutes
Eliott Yemsi: 4 appearances across Top14, Challenge Cup and D2 for 100 minutes
Daniel Biziwu: 50+ appearances across Top14, Champs Cup and Challenge Cup for 1000+ minutes

Italy
Muhamed Hasa: 27 appearances across URC and Challenge cup for 1000+ minutes
Luca Rizzoli: 30+ appearances for 1000+ minutes across URC and Challenge Cup
Ion Neculai: 30+ appearances for 1000+ minutes across URC and Challenge Cup
Mirco Spagnolo: 20+ appearances for c.900 minutes across URC and Challenge Cup

England
Luke Green: 18 appearances at Prem/Champ/Challenge Cup level plus 24 at MLS level for 1500+ minutes
Tarek Haffar: 15+ appearances at Prem/Champs Cup/Prem Cup level for 500+ minutes
Harvey Beaton: 40+ appearances at Prem/Prem Cup/Champ level for 1400+ minutes
Phil Brantingham: c.30 appearances at Prem/Prem Cup/Challenge Cup level for 1000+ minutes

Ireland
Mark Donnelly: 10+ appearances at URC/Champs cup level for c. 140 minutes
Jack Boyle: 11 appearances at URC level for 400+ minutes
Sam Illo: 20+ appearances at URC/Champs Cup/Challenge Cup level for 500+ minutes
Temi Lasisi: 4 URC appearnaces for 40 minutes

Wales
Zak Giannini: no pro appearances
Lewys Jones: 1 D2 appearance and 5 in Nationale for c. 200 minutes
Nathan Evans: 2 pro appearances at URC / champs Cup level for 30 minutes
Cameron Jones: 2 appearances at URC / Challenge Cup for 55 minutes

Calling a 22 year old prop a young player and saying it is not unusual to have no real pro rugby experience is an outdated view as can be seen. Yes, they *can* develop later, but the majority of his contemporaries are 2 or 3 season players now. The only vaguely comparable nation to us in terms of development progress is Wales and they are a shitshow. They are still doing better than us.

It's substandard and it has to improve.


* all stats for all.rugby. I believe them to be broadly correct.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:43 pm Some horrible scores every week in the Premiership at the moment, my adopted lot, Musselburgh getting humped every week. It’s fairly disastrous for the club even if they knew it was coming.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:43 pm Some horrible scores every week in the Premiership at the moment, my adopted lot, Musselburgh getting humped every week. It’s fairly disastrous for the club even if they knew it was coming.

I haven't actually been following it, but now I've had a look it's a bit of a joke league by the looks of things.

I hear rumours of payments still being made to players at some clubs.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:28 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:43 pm Some horrible scores every week in the Premiership at the moment, my adopted lot, Musselburgh getting humped every week. It’s fairly disastrous for the club even if they knew it was coming.

I haven't actually been following it, but now I've had a look it's a bit of a joke league by the looks of things.

I hear rumours of payments still being made to players at some clubs.

They are allowed to pay at that level, the problem is the S6 players have largely stayed at the S6 clubs they were at before so they are smashing everyone - and getting paid more than others. It will take at least a couple of seasons to get sorted out which is a massive waste of time for everyone

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:28 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:02 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:43 pm Some horrible scores every week in the Premiership at the moment, my adopted lot, Musselburgh getting humped every week. It’s fairly disastrous for the club even if they knew it was coming.

I haven't actually been following it, but now I've had a look it's a bit of a joke league by the looks of things.

I hear rumours of payments still being made to players at some clubs.

They are allowed to pay at that level, the problem is the S6 players have largely stayed at the S6 clubs they were at before so they are smashing everyone - and getting paid more than others. It will take at least a couple of seasons to get sorted out which is a massive waste of time for everyone

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:25 pm There are some good and some very promising players in that Edinburgh team. Tuipulotu looks like he could be every bit as good as his brother, Matt Currie made some really good breaks. Duhan is Duhan, Graham looks like he is getting back to his best. Goosen is very good at this level. Thompson is growing on me, Price played well after a couple of howlers of games.

With Boff and Paterson to come in we have some exciting individuals, but they need a pattern to play to and I don't see one at the moment. Currie and Tuipulotu were making good breaks but the lack of execution at the end of it was very frustrating.

Btw, Embra up to 6th with Connacht to play Leinster just now.

I'll happily go down one if the Wesht can put one over on The Dubs.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:16 pm Chris Hoy - I don't know what to say, this is terribly sad, what with his wife's diagnosis as well

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/ ... -diagnosis

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:16 pm Chris Hoy - I don't know what to say, this is terribly sad, what with his wife's diagnosis as well

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/ ... -diagnosis