The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

[SomersetJock]

Question, probably for TOTM but maybe for anyone else if they know; when a line up is poorly executed but the possession retained through essentially luck, does that count as a successful line out in the stats? For instance, in the Glasgow game just now the line out jumper fumbled the ball, but he fumbled it backward and the ball was retained. How would that be counted?

As successful, because they kept the ball so it's not "lost"

I had this very conversation with the analyst at our club recently. Even the slightest fumble and it’s considered a lost lineout, even if the ball is retained !

[I like neeps]

Question, probably for TOTM but maybe for anyone else if they know; when a line up is poorly executed but the possession retained through essentially luck, does that count as a successful line out in the stats? For instance, in the Glasgow game just now the line out jumper fumbled the ball, but he fumbled it backward and the ball was retained. How would that be counted?

As successful, because they kept the ball so it's not "lost"

I had this very conversation with the analyst at our club recently. Even the slightest fumble and it’s considered a lost lineout, even if the ball is retained !

Oh interesting, I would never have guessed. The wording is odd.

[Yr Alban]

Glasgow’s reserves pulled that one out of the bag.

[clydecloggie]

Worst game Glasgow have played in a long time. But Scarlets were pretty rank, so they just pulled it off.

[fishfoodie]

Worst game Glasgow have played in a long time. But Scarlets were pretty rank, so they just pulled it off.

Scoreboard has no pictures !

All that will be recorded is a win, & that's what matters at the end of the season.

[Slick]

Jare is a funny player, looks very raw. Hard for him to get time to develop but he's got something. Better than Samuel tonight by a good bit.

Haven’t seen very much to suggest he’s going any further to be honest.

This game is hard work to watch

Shane Williams just mentioned him as a MOTM candidate! Ryan Wilson giving him an honourable mention.

I think he'll make it, coming off a serious knee injury and came to rugby late. A year or so seasoning and he'll be fine.

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

[I like neeps]

Haven’t seen very much to suggest he’s going any further to be honest.

This game is hard work to watch

Shane Williams just mentioned him as a MOTM candidate! Ryan Wilson giving him an honourable mention.

I think he'll make it, coming off a serious knee injury and came to rugby late. A year or so seasoning and he'll be fine.

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

[KingBlairhorn]

Question, probably for TOTM but maybe for anyone else if they know; when a line up is poorly executed but the possession retained through essentially luck, does that count as a successful line out in the stats? For instance, in the Glasgow game just now the line out jumper fumbled the ball, but he fumbled it backward and the ball was retained. How would that be counted?

As successful, because they kept the ball so it's not "lost"

I had this very conversation with the analyst at our club recently. Even the slightest fumble and it’s considered a lost lineout, even if the ball is retained !

Thanks, I don’t know what I’ll do with this new found information but nice to know!

[KingBlairhorn]

Murray McCallum, Cammy Hutchinson and Tom Gordon all started in Newcastle’s win over Sarries last night with Ollie Leatherbarrow and Kiran McDonald on the bench.

[Slick]

Shane Williams just mentioned him as a MOTM candidate! Ryan Wilson giving him an honourable mention.

I think he'll make it, coming off a serious knee injury and came to rugby late. A year or so seasoning and he'll be fine.

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

Yeah, fair enough, his energy was very impressive and he did keep popping up in places I wasn’t expecting. I knew he only really started after Covid but didn’t know about the ACL. Would love him to kick on, and he did look like a player that needs more games (Super6 would be nice), but still not convinced

[I like neeps]

Murray McCallum, Cammy Hutchinson and Tom Gordon all started in Newcastle’s win over Sarries last night with Ollie Leatherbarrow and Kiran McDonald on the bench.

McCallum went 80 minutes at loosehead. 28 now but can't be far away from the Scotland squad. I wonder where he'd he if he wasn't forced to TH and allowed to develop as a LH.

It's too late for Tom Gordon as well but he's this generation's Roddy Grant. Having a very good season in the premiership I believe.

[Achahoish]

Murray McCallum, Cammy Hutchinson and Tom Gordon all started in Newcastle’s win over Sarries last night with Ollie Leatherbarrow and Kiran McDonald on the bench.

McCallum went 80 minutes at loosehead. 28 now but can't be far away from the Scotland squad. I wonder where he'd he if he wasn't forced to TH and allowed to develop as a LH.

It's too late for Tom Gordon as well but he's this generation's Roddy Grant. Having a very good season in the premiership I believe.

Tom Gordon was the man at Glasgow, and then Rory Darge arrived

[Big D]

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

Yeah, fair enough, his energy was very impressive and he did keep popping up in places I wasn’t expecting. I knew he only really started after Covid but didn’t know about the ACL. Would love him to kick on, and he did look like a player that needs more games (Super6 would be nice), but still not convinced

Young kids in his 1st start so a few nerves and a few poor bits of play is understandable.

The coaching staff obviously think there's something about him and he'll get a chance at Glasgow to develop.

[robmatic]

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

Yeah, fair enough, his energy was very impressive and he did keep popping up in places I wasn’t expecting. I knew he only really started after Covid but didn’t know about the ACL. Would love him to kick on, and he did look like a player that needs more games (Super6 would be nice), but still not convinced

The first time I saw Devin Toner play for Leinster, I thought "He's big but he can barely play rugby" and he went on to get 70 caps for Ireland. I think Oguntibeju is not as big as Toner but sounds like he is more of an athlete, so maybe there will be something there with enough gametime. It's a shame that Glasgow don't seem to be interested in playing A games, because that would be ideal for him.

[Biffer]

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

Yeah, fair enough, his energy was very impressive and he did keep popping up in places I wasn’t expecting. I knew he only really started after Covid but didn’t know about the ACL. Would love him to kick on, and he did look like a player that needs more games (Super6 would be nice), but still not convinced

The first time I saw Devin Toner play for Leinster, I thought "He's big but he can barely play rugby" and he went on to get 70 caps for Ireland. I think Oguntibeju is not as big as Toner but sounds like he is more of an athlete, so maybe there will be something there with enough gametime. It's a shame that Glasgow don't seem to be interested in playing A games, because that would be ideal for him.

He's not as tall as Toner, but he's definitely bigger

[dpedin]

Yeah, fair enough, his energy was very impressive and he did keep popping up in places I wasn’t expecting. I knew he only really started after Covid but didn’t know about the ACL. Would love him to kick on, and he did look like a player that needs more games (Super6 would be nice), but still not convinced

The first time I saw Devin Toner play for Leinster, I thought "He's big but he can barely play rugby" and he went on to get 70 caps for Ireland. I think Oguntibeju is not as big as Toner but sounds like he is more of an athlete, so maybe there will be something there with enough gametime. It's a shame that Glasgow don't seem to be interested in playing A games, because that would be ideal for him.

He's not as tall as Toner, but he's definitely bigger

He is also far more mobile than Toner who was a bit of a Tin Man when running. I liked the look of him a lot, he has energy and seemed to know where to be and what was going on around him on the pitch. He ran himself into the ground too. He survived 12 years in Pilton and still wanted to come back to Edinburgh says tons for his motivation to be Scottish but why did Edinburgh not sign him? I think he is the next big thing off the rank as long as he keeps fit and healthy, already capped at A level he could be capped within 3 years!

[Yr Alban]

Murray McCallum, Cammy Hutchinson and Tom Gordon all started in Newcastle’s win over Sarries last night with Ollie Leatherbarrow and Kiran McDonald on the bench.

McCallum went 80 minutes at loosehead. 28 now but can't be far away from the Scotland squad. I wonder where he'd he if he wasn't forced to TH and allowed to develop as a LH.

It's too late for Tom Gordon as well but he's this generation's Roddy Grant. Having a very good season in the premiership I believe.

Tom Gordon was the man at Glasgow, and then Rory Darge arrived

Although I feel bad for Gordon, I love that we have sufficient depth that there are good players who can’t get a look in for Scotland.

[clydecloggie]

Shane Williams just mentioned him as a MOTM candidate! Ryan Wilson giving him an honourable mention.

I think he'll make it, coming off a serious knee injury and came to rugby late. A year or so seasoning and he'll be fine.

How raw do you have to be to run upright into contact and get turned over 3 times? I hope you are right, we will always need a unit

The first twenty with the drops, late hit on the 10, and superman dive over the ruck to try and score I did think there's no chance.

But the next 50 I thought cleared rucks well, disrupted mauls really well, carried well, his energy was off the charts he was the only Glasgow player chasing the 50/22.

And as he said he's only played two years of rugby really considering covid and his ACL. If he can get gametime (huge if for a player contracted to the Scottish rugby union) he'll be good I think.

Massive lock with the workrate of a flanker, that alone should see him in the mix. I agree totally with the above - iffy start but one of Glasgow's main players after that - carries, ruck contests, line out work - he was up for it

[Slick]

The first time I saw Devin Toner play for Leinster, I thought "He's big but he can barely play rugby" and he went on to get 70 caps for Ireland. I think Oguntibeju is not as big as Toner but sounds like he is more of an athlete, so maybe there will be something there with enough gametime. It's a shame that Glasgow don't seem to be interested in playing A games, because that would be ideal for him.

He's not as tall as Toner, but he's definitely bigger

He is also far more mobile than Toner who was a bit of a Tin Man when running. I liked the look of him a lot, he has energy and seemed to know where to be and what was going on around him on the pitch. He ran himself into the ground too. He survived 12 years in Pilton and still wanted to come back to Edinburgh says tons for his motivation to be Scottish but why did Edinburgh not sign him? I think he is the next big thing off the rank as long as he keeps fit and healthy, already capped at A level he could be capped within 3 years!

I read something last night that said he was originally signed to Edinburgh but somehow made his way across. He absolutely does see himself as Scottish Nigerian

[I like neeps]

He's not as tall as Toner, but he's definitely bigger

He is also far more mobile than Toner who was a bit of a Tin Man when running. I liked the look of him a lot, he has energy and seemed to know where to be and what was going on around him on the pitch. He ran himself into the ground too. He survived 12 years in Pilton and still wanted to come back to Edinburgh says tons for his motivation to be Scottish but why did Edinburgh not sign him? I think he is the next big thing off the rank as long as he keeps fit and healthy, already capped at A level he could be capped within 3 years!

I read something last night that said he was originally signed to Edinburgh but somehow made his way across. He absolutely does see himself as Scottish Nigerian

Had a trial at Edinburgh who didn't then sign him. Went to Ealing on the Brunel partnership and then did his ACL, MCL, and tore him hamstring off the bone for Scotland u20s and was out for two years then rocked up at Stirling Wolves.

[Yr Alban]

He is also far more mobile than Toner who was a bit of a Tin Man when running. I liked the look of him a lot, he has energy and seemed to know where to be and what was going on around him on the pitch. He ran himself into the ground too. He survived 12 years in Pilton and still wanted to come back to Edinburgh says tons for his motivation to be Scottish but why did Edinburgh not sign him? I think he is the next big thing off the rank as long as he keeps fit and healthy, already capped at A level he could be capped within 3 years!

I read something last night that said he was originally signed to Edinburgh but somehow made his way across. He absolutely does see himself as Scottish Nigerian

Had a trial at Edinburgh who didn't then sign him. Went to Ealing on the Brunel partnership and then did his ACL, MCL, and tore him hamstring off the bone for Scotland u20s and was out for two years then rocked up at Stirling Wolves.

Does anyone actually expect Edinburgh to make good decisions? And if so, based on what?

[Yr Alban]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

[C T]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

I switched off the game as soon as the final whistle went, can't bring myself to sit through the pundits explaining why that win was much more meaningful than Scotlands win last week.

[Slick]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

Yup. Booking my flights to Paris for the showdown. This is our year

[Yr Alban]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

I switched off the game as soon as the final whistle went, can't bring myself to sit through the pundits explaining why that win was much more meaningful than Scotlands win last week.

As you know they will…

[Yr Alban]

Just encountered a guy on FB banging on about how this is the weakest talent pool available to the Lions for years, and we’re lucky we’re only playing Australia. I expect I’m oversensitive, but isn’t it amazing how, when Scotland are one of the better teams in the mix and likely to get decent representation, suddenly the depth of talent is poor?

[SomersetJock]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

I am fighting against that hope thing right now myself. It’s kicked me where it hurts way too many times

[Yr Alban]

So Australia beat England, slaughtered Wales and were edged out against Ireland. We were the only team to beat them comfortably.

This gives me a bit of hope for the 6N, as we play Ireland at home. But we’ve been here before…

I am fighting against that hope thing right now myself. It’s kicked me where it hurts way too many times

What I can’t get past is that Wales can still win titles intermittently, despite often being a total rabble in between. We have to get lucky eventually, right?

[Big D]

One of the better 1st halves from Edinburgh.

[Slick]

One of the better 1st halves from Edinburgh.

Benetton have been rubbish, but a decent effort indeed. It almost feels like some of them have been given a warning about not getting picked for Scotland - which seems a great environment at the moment

[Slick]

Not sure where this wind is coming from, calm out at the seaside

[Big D]

Forwards have switched off. Skykes and Bradbury in particular guilty of losing the height battle around the ruck.

[Slick]

I’m at a loss as to why it hasn’t occurred to any of the Edinburgh players that you need to keep kicks low in wind like this

[Slick]

Forwards have switched off. Skykes and Bradbury in particular guilty of losing the height battle around the ruck.

Ritchie still playing well to be fair

[Big D]

Forwards have switched off. Skykes and Bradbury in particular guilty of losing the height battle around the ruck.

Ritchie still playing well to be fair

Thought Ritchie and Muncaster were good.

[Big D]

I’m at a loss as to why it hasn’t occurred to any of the Edinburgh players that you need to keep kicks low in wind like this

Vellacott running down a blind alley then putting a pish wee grubber thing through would piss me right off as a forward.

He can't very starting 9 next year.

Graham should have given a pass there. Too greedy.

[Big D]

Wins a win and all that and there was a strong wind but that isn't a well drilled and well coached team.

[Biffer]

Perilously close to shitting the bed in that second half

[Tichtheid]

Just about to watch it

Can we no just win instead of being shite even when we win?

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Apropos of nothing, I just returned from my uncle's memorial service in Edinburgh. He was a teacher at Merchiston Castle for many years and very involved with rugby there. I met Fraser Brown's dad. I imagine the list of Merchiston alumni who played for Scotland has a few names on it.