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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:31 pm

lilyw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:34 pm What I would add is that it was a refreshing piece of honesty coupled with humility - both sides need a deal!
No deal is not a win for either side.
With respect, many of you Irish lads are as bad as Brexiteers in thinking you hold all the cards
Both sides need each other, whether you like it or not.

The only people disagreeing with that statement are Brexiteers. Every single person from the EU side has said that No Deal is a terrible outcome.

Exactly !

On the PR thread the Brexiteers kept asking why we were so vocal on the thread; when it was bleeding obvious that we actually understood the potential fallout, & they didn't.

Oh; & on the we're both screwed front; we don't import >50% of the food we eat, & rely upon migrant workers for a significant portion of the other 50%

Are you really suggesting that in a no deal situation the UK will have no food?
Is this like Planes won't be allowed to take off?

Certain Brexiters on PR have painted the EU as a malevolent dictatorship so they should be terrified of something like the way Russia turns the Ukraine's gas supplies on and off.

The discussion on this board has thankfully been a lot more rational.

Brexit creates barriers to trade, hopefully these can be minimised but we're all worse off even in the best case outcome.

We won't have no food if no deal but the some items such as fruit and veg - of which we import a majority, especially out of season items - could be in short supply and more expensive. Prices for many items already increased significantly during the lockdown. Agreement on that seems general enough.

Of course we can find some different sources than the EU for some items - provided we can agree a trade deal. We should have had a long term contingency plan to produce more domestically grown foods but importing has been easy and cheap, as has migrant cheap labour..

I would have thought it was obvious that some food prices will rise in a no deal Brexit, I wasn't questioning that.
And being part of the EU for so long it is little wonder we have come to rely heavily on imported food. That may need to change after Brexit. But we'll have food, EU farmers won't just toss veg on the compost heap to spite the UK.
But a sensible deal with compromises on both sides is what makes sense

I live in a country which produces a lot of food and exports large amounts of it.
I can buy most foods I'm used to from home but they're expensive and beyond the means of most locals.
There will be some products that will no longer be affordable for some people in the UK due to Brexit but they'll just have to find an alternative, such is life.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:09 am I would have thought it was obvious that some food prices will rise in a no deal Brexit, I wasn't questioning that.
And being part of the EU for so long it is little wonder we have come to rely heavily on imported food. That may need to change after Brexit. But we'll have food, EU farmers won't just toss veg on the compost heap to spite the UK.
But a sensible deal with compromises on both sides is what makes sense

The WTO tariff rates on stuff like Beef, & Lamb are very high, 65%, & 40% (from memory); & remember, these are born by the consumer. At those tariff rates, you aren't going to sell as much product, so you just don't try; you try & increase your exports to other countries that don't have the same tariff barriers.

But at least if your selling beef,its in a refrigerated container; with fruit & veg, you don't want it stuck in a car park, or a traffic jam at a port; because that's time you lose off the shelf life of the product. If you it can only sit on a supermarket shelf for 3 days,instead of 4,or 5.

No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:09 am I would have thought it was obvious that some food prices will rise in a no deal Brexit, I wasn't questioning that.
And being part of the EU for so long it is little wonder we have come to rely heavily on imported food. That may need to change after Brexit. But we'll have food, EU farmers won't just toss veg on the compost heap to spite the UK.
But a sensible deal with compromises on both sides is what makes sense

Both sides have rationalised why compromises also hurt them when looking beyond the EU/UK deal, and they're not wrong to have done so because there are inherent problems. A deal makes sense, no deal given other concerns makes sense, I'm just still not remotely convinced entering into all this was sensible but that ship has sailed.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

They will if they didn't prepare for it, & rely on the UK Government.

But the Irish Government has been idle either; & they've secured new export markets; & anecdotally, from looking around this last year, I see a lot less cattle in the fields this last year.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

A bit from column A, & a bit from column B.

It takes a couple of years to raise beef cattle; & it's major investment of capital. Most of Irish beef is raised by small farmers, who then sell it on. When I say I see smaller numbers of cattle in the fields, I'm seeing small farmers reduce their risk to a No Deal scenario. China is a huge market, but they don't consume as much beef as other cultures, & its a recent thing, so isn't clear how much of what would have gone to the UK, that they will take over.

Dairy is a different set of problems; but at least with milk, you can use it in cheese. or baby formula, & sell it elsewhere.

I'm also not spoiling for a fight; but I don't know if there's any realization in the UK, as to how dependent they've become on imported food ?

The UK can import from outside the EU; or from the EU; but regardless of where it comes from; if the UK doesn't have a trade deal with the source; the consumer will pay a tariff on the food item; & those tariffs can be punitive. The logistics problems around the ports, & rationing of HGV licenses for the UK, are just cherries on the cake.

Now that we've "taken back control" we're now moaning that the French aren't doing enough to protecting our borders

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:34 pm Now that we've "taken back control" we're now moaning that the French aren't doing enough to protecting our borders

when did we take back control?
I thought everything stayed exactly the same till the end of the year

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Agreed. You're a troll.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:57 am No deal Brexit will wipe out many beef producers in Ireland.
Don't kid yourself.

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

You must always take a pinch of salt with everything an Irish farmer or fisherman will tell you, and that's their trade mag you are quoting. A bucket of salt is required. They tel Revenue they earned 10-20k the previous year, and they then go to the local council pleading poverty, and requiring a 10k grant to send their sprog to uni. The 2 then walk out and drive off in their brand new 150k merc.
Absolutely everything for them is a disaster, and they need to now change their car. The following week they turn up in an even higher spec model.

Cattle farmers in Ireland would have you believe they are carrying on some sacred tradition and protecting the land from threats they never articulate.

I'm not against cattle farming per se but commercial farms are a relatively new thing and have had a proven negative impact on the environment and public health.

Reducing this industry to domestic and niche export markets is a good thing imo.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:53 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:34 pm Now that we've "taken back control" we're now moaning that the French aren't doing enough to protecting our borders

when did we take back control?
I thought everything stayed exactly the same till the end of the year

We've always had control.

Oh and as so very helpfully pointed out by Bimbo on PR. We've left!

This resurgence in migrate boat reporting (BBC alone has published 7 articles in the last 10 days), it never went away, just the required rheotric since Brexit 2016 died down, is an orcestraded dead cat designed to draw attention away from the the Tory corruption & rape stories by appealing to the Brexit bases core fear. While highlighting that Brexit, as predicted has nothing to do with illegal immigration and asylum seekers and showing that leaving the EU would make it worse, not better as France/EU et al now have a lesser obligation on their end. (Remember the Calais camp the French built to stop them from trying the crossing?)

lilyw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:54 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Agreed. You're a troll.

I always try to be balanced. I think the UK would have been better off in the EU. I'm not going to pretend I'm a Europhile, though.
The UK needs a deal with the EU, but so does the EU need one with the UK. Accepting that reality does not make me a troll.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:25 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:53 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:34 pm Now that we've "taken back control" we're now moaning that the French aren't doing enough to protecting our borders

when did we take back control?
I thought everything stayed exactly the same till the end of the year

We've always had control.

Oh and as so very helpfully pointed out by Bimbo on PR. We've left!

This resurgence in migrate boat reporting (BBC alone has published 7 articles in the last 10 days), it never went away, just the required rheotric since Brexit 2016 died down, is an orcestraded dead cat designed to draw attention away from the the Tory corruption & rape stories by appealing to the Brexit bases core fear. While highlighting that Brexit, as predicted has nothing to do with illegal immigration and asylum seekers and showing that leaving the EU would make it worse, not better as France/EU et al now have a lesser obligation on their end. (Remember the Calais camp the French built to stop them from trying the crossing?)

Don't give a monkey's what Bimbo says, he's a weirdo

As for taking back control, I don't buy into cheap slogans either, however that was referring to legal immigration, not illegal.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:46 am

lilyw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:54 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm
Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Agreed. You're a troll.

I always try to be balanced. I think the UK would have been better off in the EU. I'm not going to pretend I'm a Europhile, though.
The UK needs a deal with the EU, but so does the EU need one with the UK. Accepting that reality does not make me a troll.

I would argue the EU needs one considerably less than the UK does, they already have trade deals in place, can more easily absorb the financial shock and need much less from the UK than the other way round.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:55 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:46 am

lilyw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:54 pm
Agreed. You're a troll.

I always try to be balanced. I think the UK would have been better off in the EU. I'm not going to pretend I'm a Europhile, though.
The UK needs a deal with the EU, but so does the EU need one with the UK. Accepting that reality does not make me a troll.

I would argue the EU needs one considerably less than the UK does, they already have trade deals in place, can more easily absorb the financial shock and need much less from the UK than the other way round.

Maybe as a whole yes
But individual countries (like Ireland) definitely do.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:02 pm Maybe as a whole yes
But individual countries (like Ireland) definitely do.

We'll probably use the potential damage to our cattle ndustry as leverage in negotiations over more important things like our corporation tax rate.

Imagine that, being able to negotiate

So this current discussion started with Coveney being warned in an official Irish government briefing that a "Second shock’ of Brexit may be too much for Ireland to cope with"
............. And it concludes with, "We'll be fine lads, corporation tax"

Problem solved then.

Ireland really should have the swarm in charge of things over there. No Deal, No Sweat.

Pretty much so.

lilyw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:54 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:07 pm

One of the Irish lads will probably be able to correct me on this, but I saw a report not that long ago about increasing clashes between conservationists and Irish farmers because the rate of expansion at Irish livestock farms is starting to have a serious local ecological impact. This expansion was largely attributed to Chinese demand for more meat.

Which would suggest they'll be fine if we stop buying their beef. There might be a slowing in the rate of expansion, but they'll be far from wiped out.

Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Agreed. You're a troll.

Yes quite.

There is a feeling of déjà vu about him.

And he appears to be Irish obsessed too.

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:00 am

lilyw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:54 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm
Less cattle in the fields or is it more now for the Chinese?
It's very confusing
Worries in the Irish agricultural sector are not well founded then. They should listen to you guys.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ir ... cguinness/

BTW, I'm no Brexiteer (mostly racist weirdos) I'm just looking for an honest evaluation of the situation.

Agreed. You're a troll.

Yes quite.

There is a feeling of déjà vu about him.

And he appears to be Irish obsessed too.

Just because someone has a opinion you may not agree with that does not make them a troll
There is a severe lack of any other EU nations on this forum to discuss Brexit or any other subject with, there are mostly Irish posters and that's about it.There is you of course, but I don't know what you are, you seem Irish too except for rugby.
But it matters not, deal or no deal the Irish will be fine apparently. I'm happy to acknowledge that the UK won't be fine, we need a deal. I wrongly thought that some nations among the EU also needed a deal for their economies to survive, but I've been corrected - corporation tax solves everything for them.
Well. you live and learn

Lads, can I get a green name too???

Irish posters have already mentioned that no deal, which is likely, will have a negative impact on all parties.
Of course it will.

The UK put us all in this position. Now, they are asking for a deal that cannot be granted for obvious reason: cake

This all thing is painful to watch, the lack of quality of your leaders in particular. Add to that the covid situation and we have got ourselves a magnificent car crash.

But hey, the Irish....

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:40 pm Lads, can I get a green name too???

Irish posters have already mentioned that no deal, which is likely, will have a negative impact on all parties.
Of course it will.

The UK put us all in this position. Now, they are asking for a deal that cannot be granted for obvious reason: cake

This all thing is painful to watch, the lack of quality of your leaders in particular. Add to that the covid situation and we have got ourselves a magnificent car crash.

But hey, the Irish....

I don't disagree with anything you have said really. I think Brexit is going to make us all poorer and more divided
But we are where we are
Compromises need to be found,
something creative
It is in all our interests, except the Irish of course who will be fine with corporation tax.

Mods, can you give La Soule his green please.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:40 pm Lads, can I get a green name too???

Irish posters have already mentioned that no deal, which is likely, will have a negative impact on all parties.
Of course it will.

The UK put us all in this position. Now, they are asking for a deal that cannot be granted for obvious reason: cake

This all thing is painful to watch, the lack of quality of your leaders in particular. Add to that the covid situation and we have got ourselves a magnificent car crash.

But hey, the Irish....

I don't disagree with anything you have said really. I think Brexit is going to make us all poorer and more divided
But we are where we are
Compromises need to be found,
something creative
It is in all our interests, except the Irish of course who will be fine with corporation tax.

Mods, can you give La Soule his green please.

Can you explain what kind of, "compromise"; you have in mind ?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:24 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:40 pm Lads, can I get a green name too???

Irish posters have already mentioned that no deal, which is likely, will have a negative impact on all parties.
Of course it will.

The UK put us all in this position. Now, they are asking for a deal that cannot be granted for obvious reason: cake

This all thing is painful to watch, the lack of quality of your leaders in particular. Add to that the covid situation and we have got ourselves a magnificent car crash.

But hey, the Irish....

I don't disagree with anything you have said really. I think Brexit is going to make us all poorer and more divided
But we are where we are
Compromises need to be found,
something creative
It is in all our interests, except the Irish of course who will be fine with corporation tax.

Mods, can you give La Soule his green please.

Can you explain what kind of, "compromise"; you have in mind ?

Something that will get a deal done. I'm not a trained negotiator. We need a deal otherwise we all lose.
Of course it is highly likely that we will all lose, which we could do with like a hole in the head at this time.

But I not sure why an immune Irish fella would be interested in this.
Unless of course Zig was talking rubbish

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:29 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:24 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:00 pm

I don't disagree with anything you have said really. I think Brexit is going to make us all poorer and more divided
But we are where we are
Compromises need to be found,
something creative
It is in all our interests, except the Irish of course who will be fine with corporation tax.

Mods, can you give La Soule his green please.

Can you explain what kind of, "compromise"; you have in mind ?

Something that will get a deal done. I'm not a trained negotiator. We need a deal otherwise we all lose.
Of course it is highly likely that we will all lose, which we could do with like a hole in the head at this time.

But I not sure why an immune Irish fella would be interested in this.
Unless of course Zig was talking rubbish

Where did anyone say we were immune ?, You're the only one here pushing that bullshit.

You seem to be taking the Daily Express line that Ireland is going to get screwed, & as a result we should throw our lot in with Colonial Masters. Because ...

Can I suggest that you can't suggest a "compromise"; because you know there isn't one that won't be shot down immediately; & shot down with a dozen quotes, & articles where the EU said this "compromise" was impossible.

What ever happened to an "Oven Ready Deal"?

What ever happened to holding all the cards ?

There's no deal, & no prospect of a deal; because the people running your Government, & negotiating for them, have a negotiation position that precludes a deal. The EU27 told the UK on day one, that the Post-Brexit relationship of the UK, COULD NOT; be better than what it had as a member.

We don't think we're immune; but we do think that the price we will pay is better than the alternative of the UK with the deal it wants. A year of WTO rules ill work wonders for the UKs expectations.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:51 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:29 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:24 pm


Can you explain what kind of, "compromise"; you have in mind ?

Something that will get a deal done. I'm not a trained negotiator. We need a deal otherwise we all lose.
Of course it is highly likely that we will all lose, which we could do with like a hole in the head at this time.

But I not sure why an immune Irish fella would be interested in this.
Unless of course Zig was talking rubbish

Where did anyone say we were immune ?, You're the only one here pushing that bullshit.

You seem to be taking the Daily Express line that Ireland is going to get screwed, & as a result we should throw our lot in with Colonial Masters. Because ...

Can I suggest that you can't suggest a "compromise"; because you know there isn't one that won't be shot down immediately; & shot down with a dozen quotes, & articles where the EU said this "compromise" was impossible.

What ever happened to an "Oven Ready Deal"?

What ever happened to holding all the cards ?

There's no deal, & no prospect of a deal; because the people running your Government, & negotiating for them, have a negotiation position that precludes a deal. The EU27 told the UK on day one, that the Post-Brexit relationship of the UK, COULD NOT; be better than what it had as a member.

We don't think we're immune; but we do think that the price we will pay is better than the alternative of the UK with the deal it wants. A year of WTO rules ill work wonders for the UKs expectations.

I am not a Brexiteer you idiot
Id happily follow EU rules
I want a deal to save jobs
But bollox to this
Good bye

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:02 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:51 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:29 pm
Something that will get a deal done. I'm not a trained negotiator. We need a deal otherwise we all lose.
Of course it is highly likely that we will all lose, which we could do with like a hole in the head at this time.

But I not sure why an immune Irish fella would be interested in this.
Unless of course Zig was talking rubbish

Where did anyone say we were immune ?, You're the only one here pushing that bullshit.

You seem to be taking the Daily Express line that Ireland is going to get screwed, & as a result we should throw our lot in with Colonial Masters. Because ...

Can I suggest that you can't suggest a "compromise"; because you know there isn't one that won't be shot down immediately; & shot down with a dozen quotes, & articles where the EU said this "compromise" was impossible.

What ever happened to an "Oven Ready Deal"?

What ever happened to holding all the cards ?

There's no deal, & no prospect of a deal; because the people running your Government, & negotiating for them, have a negotiation position that precludes a deal. The EU27 told the UK on day one, that the Post-Brexit relationship of the UK, COULD NOT; be better than what it had as a member.

We don't think we're immune; but we do think that the price we will pay is better than the alternative of the UK with the deal it wants. A year of WTO rules ill work wonders for the UKs expectations.

I am not a Brexiteer you idiot
Id happily follow EU rules
I want a deal to save jobs
But bollox to this
Good bye

Whether your a Remainer, or a Leaver; you're looking to the wrong place for a deal.

I'd suggest writing to your MP, or PM; but he's buggered off on two weeks holiday; so that should tell you all you need to know about how worried he is about getting a deal.

So. apparently the UK - Japan trade deal hinges on smelly cheese:

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

The Department for International Trade said talks are ongoing.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

The Financial Times, which first reported that talks had hit a snag, said Ms Truss may be looking for a symbolic victory, as sales of blue cheese to Japan from the UK were only £102,000 last year.

A better deal for the products may mean her department could claim a slightly more favourable deal than the one the EU secured with Japan last year, when the two sides secured a cut of €1bn of tariffs on food.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

So if we export more things with a strong blue vein, Brexit's a win lads!

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:55 pm So. apparently the UK - Japan trade deal hinges on smelly cheese:

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

The Department for International Trade said talks are ongoing.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

The Financial Times, which first reported that talks had hit a snag, said Ms Truss may be looking for a symbolic victory, as sales of blue cheese to Japan from the UK were only £102,000 last year.

A better deal for the products may mean her department could claim a slightly more favourable deal than the one the EU secured with Japan last year, when the two sides secured a cut of €1bn of tariffs on food.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

So if we export more things with a strong blue vein, Brexit's a win lads!

Yep £120k's worth!! Pathetic

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:55 pm So. apparently the UK - Japan trade deal hinges on smelly cheese:

A post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and Japan may have met an unlikely obstacle - stilton cheese.

On Friday, the two sides said they hoped to agree the details of a post-Brexit trade agreement by the end of the month.

The Department for International Trade said talks are ongoing.

But progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses.

The Financial Times, which first reported that talks had hit a snag, said Ms Truss may be looking for a symbolic victory, as sales of blue cheese to Japan from the UK were only £102,000 last year.

A better deal for the products may mean her department could claim a slightly more favourable deal than the one the EU secured with Japan last year, when the two sides secured a cut of €1bn of tariffs on food.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53737388

So if we export more things with a strong blue vein, Brexit's a win lads!

the whole story stinks; not just the cheese.

while we know Truss is as thick as two short planks; it's just a teeny bit hard to believe that Cummings isn't watching over her shoulder the entire time; & there's not much chance of him passing up a great, good news story like this over a poxy 120k

Don't forget Cummings job isn't to advance Brexit, the Tories or anything else, it's to undermine public confidence in the government, the parliamentary system and the judiciary to the point where it is either utterly ineffective or the public demands something else. He might be be the Grima Wormtongue of this Government but he isn't the Saruman, that's some utter shitbags over in the US.

The EU compromise with JP was that the Japanese have 16 years to reduce then eliminate their 29% tarriff on various soft cheese types. The Japanese are trying to protect their (soft) cheese manufacturers. The UK just playing politics with what in reality is a product that the Japs may not actually buy.
They are just reaching for the headline, "our deal is wider" despite there may not be any economic impact.

Soundbite spin bullshit.
Well Japan is not playing ball as every pyrrhic victory obtained by UK is in fact a political defeat back home for them.