Official Springbok selection, moaning and bitching thread

[Sards]

Blake first post about him. I also did not like him but he impressed me in his three tests.

Anyways as you were....

I got excited by his Premiership promo reel; looked like a young Vermeulen when carrying the ball.

I’m not ashamed to say I was very, very wrong. He doesn’t have half of the rugby IQ Duane has, and didn’t see any of that ball carrying in the series. He was average at the only thing he was in the team for, and rather shit at everything else.

Yeah. Not good enough.

The Kwagga obsession is mind boggling.

Even more so the Elstadt obsession

[Sards]

Has anyone noticed Kolisi's workrate since moving to the Sharks

His workrate has been kak for the Sharks.

Kak man....its twice what ever it was before.

[Sards]

Has anyone noticed Kolisi's workrate since moving to the Sharks

I'll give that to you Sards
He is a different player.
Bok man of the series?

Kolisi
Etsebeth
De Allende
Mostert
Am

All had a fantastic series.

Best I have seen De Allende
I was very worried about Eben. But he was solid and hard like we know him without the discipline issues

[sunnybanana]

Haven’t seen any mention of the severity of PSdT’s injury…

[Big Nipper]

I'll give that to you Sards
He is a different player.
Bok man of the series?

Kolisi
Etsebeth
De Allende
Mostert
Am

All had a fantastic series.

Best I have seen De Allende
I was very worried about Eben. But he was solid and hard like we know him without the discipline issues

I would add Willie to the list. He made some great reads at the back, and called the open space that lead to that magic Kolbe try. It was the moment that turned the momentum of the test, and I very much doubt any other of our players could have played it as well as Willie

[JM2K6]

Blake first post about him. I also did not like him but he impressed me in his three tests.

Anyways as you were....

I got excited by his Premiership promo reel; looked like a young Vermeulen when carrying the ball.

I’m not ashamed to say I was very, very wrong. He doesn’t have half of the rugby IQ Duane has, and didn’t see any of that ball carrying in the series. He was average at the only thing he was in the team for, and rather shit at everything else.

He certainly can carry like a bigger man, but I'm guessing the highlights don't show just how braindead he's been on multiple occasions. His decision making and his discipline have both been awful for Tigers.

[boere wors]

I'll give that to you Sards
He is a different player.
Bok man of the series?

Kolisi
Etsebeth
De Allende
Mostert
Am

All had a fantastic series.

Best I have seen De Allende
I was very worried about Eben. But he was solid and hard like we know him without the discipline issues

Why were you worried, he played a good season for toulon, only broke his finger couple of month ago, he was well conditioned. And although playing the enforcer role, he never has discipline issues.

[boere wors]

Kolisi
Etsebeth
De Allende
Mostert
Am

All had a fantastic series.

Best I have seen De Allende
I was very worried about Eben. But he was solid and hard like we know him without the discipline issues

I would add Willie to the list. He made some great reads at the back, and called the open space that lead to that magic Kolbe try. It was the moment that turned the momentum of the test, and I very much doubt any other of our players could have played it as well as Willie

Fair enough, one could add him, he has played well and has been vital for our counterattack

[assfly]

I think our first problem with the 8 jersey is finding anyone who comes even close to the class of Duane. Neither of Weise or Kwagga did, and I don't think DdP would have either. I think we're just going to have to accept that whoever takes the jersey forward will have to be good enough.

I was excited to see Wiese included in the Bok team but he didn't live up to the hype. But then again, he was up against a very, very good team. He's a penalty machine and plays close to the line, but I still wouldn't mind seeing him given some more time in the Bok camp to develop his game. There is plenty of rugby coming up and it would be good to see him given some more time in somewhat slightly less stressful games.

[Cartman]

Wiese is a penalty machine but ALSO crap at a lot of other things. Can't jump for high balls to save his life, slow on defence, incredibly stupid, shit hands.
Solid in the tackle though, yay

[Big Nipper]

Wiese is a penalty machine but ALSO crap at a lot of other things. Can't jump for high balls to save his life, slow on defence, incredibly stupid, shit hands.
Solid in the tackle though, yay

I think we should look at getting Evan Roos in the squad, he has been damn good this year for the Stomps

[Cartman]

Wiese is a penalty machine but ALSO crap at a lot of other things. Can't jump for high balls to save his life, slow on defence, incredibly stupid, shit hands.
Solid in the tackle though, yay

I think we should look at getting Evan Roos in the squad, he has been damn good this year for the Stomps

Yeah he looks the goods for the future for sure

[Chilli]

Wiese is a penalty machine but ALSO crap at a lot of other things. Can't jump for high balls to save his life, slow on defence, incredibly stupid, shit hands.
Solid in the tackle though, yay

I think we should look at getting Evan Roos in the squad, he has been damn good this year for the Stomps

He is a top player

[Cartman]

Delicious tears

[Big Nipper]

Delicious tears

Those tears are just too good

[Chilli]

Delicious tears

Those tears are just too good

Who are they?

[sorCrer]

Wiese is a penalty machine but ALSO crap at a lot of other things. Can't jump for high balls to save his life, slow on defence, incredibly stupid, shit hands.
Solid in the tackle though, yay

I think we should look at getting Evan Roos in the squad, he has been damn good this year for the Stomps

He is a top player

Both him and Elrigh Louw look the business. They need to be in the Bok camp soonest as understudies.

[assfly]

My good, bad and the ugly from the Lions series:

The Good
Willie le Roux. Still flakey on defence, but nothing gets through the green wall in front of him anyway and simply incredible on attack.
Kolbe. Best in the world.
Am. Can't believe he only has 17 caps, at this rate he could overtake Fourie as our best 13.
DdA. Outstanding, even better than 2019.
Kolisi. Best he's ever played. A true leader and captain. Happy to eat humble pie about him.
Mostert. Underrated workhorse, an absolute machine.
Eben. Possibly the best lock SA have ever produced.
JN and Rassie. The most intelligent rugby heads we have ever had.

The Bad
Depth at 8, 9 and 10 looks thin.
Our rolling maul defence wasn't great.

The Ugly
Our style of play, some might say
South African television producers
Very few of our starting team play their rugby in SA. Long term, I think this needs to be addressed.

[Sards]

I think we should look at getting Evan Roos in the squad, he has been damn good this year for the Stomps

He is a top player

Both him and Elrigh Louw look the business. They need to be in the Bok camp soonest as understudies.

If we don't have Duane s replacement going forward I would look at Notsche. He has been outstanding at the Sharks and it will add a ball carrying element to our pack.
I Thought him and Kolisi were ruck watchers at the Stomps.....lazy players....man they both have grown as players at the Sharks and won my respect.

[Sards]

The front row going forward. 1st test Ginger and Malherbe badly exposed for
Scrumming
Defense of rolling maul.
Ball carrying. Let's be honest and call them belly flops.

They didn't have the temperament to close out a game so you don't want them there at the end. I reckon first up is the best call. But get them to watch the Sharks vs Bulls game this past weekend. That game produced the best counter mauling I have ever seen in a game.

[Sandstorm]

I very much doubt any other of our players could have played it as well as Willie

[boere wors]

PSdT probably out for the rest of the year, had to undergo surgery on his shoulder.

Sorry for him, has a horrific spell of injuries.

[Blake]

Blake first post about him. I also did not like him but he impressed me in his three tests.

Anyways as you were....

I got excited by his Premiership promo reel; looked like a young Vermeulen when carrying the ball.

I’m not ashamed to say I was very, very wrong. He doesn’t have half of the rugby IQ Duane has, and didn’t see any of that ball carrying in the series. He was average at the only thing he was in the team for, and rather shit at everything else.

He certainly can carry like a bigger man, but I'm guessing the highlights don't show just how braindead he's been on multiple occasions. His decision making and his discipline have both been awful for Tigers.

I was actually aware of the discipline issue, but though it was something that Rassie and Nienaber might be able to coach out of him given how rock solid our disciple was during the World Cup. We were the team with one of the lowest penalty counts and the yellow card that Beast got for his tip-tackle against Japan was our only card of the tournament, despite how physical the lads played.

A lot of that went by the wayside in the Lions series though. Our penalty count was terrible, Kolbe was lucky not to get red for his challenge on Murray and Wiese, Faf was lucky to only get a yellow in the SA A game and lucky in the second test also. Wiese was 10cm away from a red for that idiotic cleanout on halftime of the last test as well. So yeah, Nienaber needs to get the guys to control their aggression more and Wiese just needs to go.

I'm no longer convinced he can be reformed.

[Chilli]

I very much doubt any other of our players could have played it as well as Willie

Fuck off Sandy

[Chilli]

PSdT probably out for the rest of the year, had to undergo surgery on his shoulder.

Sorry for him, has a horrific spell of injuries.

Very bad news

[OomStruisbaai]

PSdT probably out for the rest of the year, had to undergo surgery on his shoulder.

Sorry for him, has a horrific spell of injuries.

Very bad news

Kak.

[Chilli]

BREAKING NEWS: The world champion South African team were dealt a cruel injury blow this week.

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Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber confirmed on Tuesday that 2019 World rugby Player of the Year Pieter-Steph du Toit has undergone surgery.

Du Toit went under the knife on Monday and according to Nienaber he will be sidelined for a “some time”.

Du Toit injured his shoulder in the second Test of the two-one series win over the British and Irish Lions and did not feature in the decisive clash this past weekend.

Nienaber told @rugby365com that it is “impossible to put an exact timeframe on his return”, but the surgery means he won’t feature for the Boks in the near future.

“I spoke to him briefly this [Tuesday] morning and he said it [the surgery] went well,” the Bok coach told a virtual media briefing.

Scrumhalf Francois de Klerk also remains sidelined with the leg-muscle injury he suffered in the comprehensive 27-9 second Test win the Boks scored over the B&I Lions.

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The good news is that veteran No.8 Duane Vermeulen has been partaking in training with the Springboks since his arrival in camp last week.

Vermeulen underwent ankle surgery earlier this year, after being injured while playing for the Bulls in the Rainbow Cup.

“It is nice to have him here,” he said of the 35-year-old World Cup winner.

While still going through his rehabilitation process, there is no clear indication of when he will feature in the matchday squad.

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“His input and involvement in our structures are vital,” Nienaber said.

“We will never play him if he is not 100 percent confident. He must be confident, we must be confident and we must be happy with his on-field training.

“He did the majority of the training last week and he is training this week, but we won’t push him.

“None of the injured players will be selected until they are medically fit and clear.”

@king365ed
@rugby365com

TDT not injured............................did he have covid?

[boere wors]

TDT not injured............................did he have covid?

you mean as he wasnt selected? was wondering about that as well, should certainly have been on the bench this week. maybe next week then...
edit: ja, iirc he was one of those players affected by covid, but not sure

[Sandstorm]

TDT not injured............................did he have covid?

you mean as he wasnt selected? was wondering about that as well, should certainly have been on the bench this week. maybe next week then...
edit: ja, iirc he was one of those players affected by covid, but not sure

Too white

[boere wors]

TDT not injured............................did he have covid?

you mean as he wasnt selected? was wondering about that as well, should certainly have been on the bench this week. maybe next week then...
edit: ja, iirc he was one of those players affected by covid, but not sure

Too white

in place of Koch, like for like, no?!

[Sandstorm]

Whoosh

[ia801310]

Wonder when Nico Janse van Rensburg will get his chance. They need to give a full cap so France can't pinch him.

[boere wors]

Wonder when Nico Janse van Rensburg will get his chance. They need to give a full cap so France can't pinch him.

next week i assume

[OomStruisbaai]

Wonder when Nico Janse van Rensburg will get his chance. They need to give a full cap so France can't pinch him.

He have s test cap vs Georgia

[boere wors]

Wonder when Nico Janse van Rensburg will get his chance. They need to give a full cap so France can't pinch him.

He have s test cap vs Georgia

no he didnt play that test, only sa a vs lions

[boere wors]

Wonder when Nico Janse van Rensburg will get his chance. They need to give a full cap so France can't pinch him.

He would have been a great replacement for PSdT at 7, providing us with an additional lineout option. But we are stuck with Kwagga again, must be the shortest blindside flank in world rugby

[assfly]

The vacant 7 jersey should provide a great opportunity to one of our many great flanks to get some gametime. But I can't help but feel the ones in the current squad aren't the answer.

I haven't seen anything from Nico Janse van Rensburg that warrants his inclusion in the squad. Even if he gets selected, I can't see him getting a handful of caps and then disappearing.

I don't think Elstadt or Kwagga are our best options. I personally would have liked to have seen JLdP be given the chance, or someone like Elrigh Louw or Vincent Tshituka also given a couple of games to see how they get on.

[Cartman]

The vacant 7 jersey should provide a great opportunity to one of our many great flanks to get some gametime. But I can't help but feel the ones in the current squad aren't the answer.

I haven't seen anything from Nico Janse van Rensburg that warrants his inclusion in the squad. Even if he gets selected, I can't see him getting a handful of caps and then disappearing.

I don't think Elstadt or Kwagga are our best options. I personally would have liked to have seen JLdP be given the chance, or someone like Elrigh Louw or Vincent Tshituka also given a couple of games to see how they get on.

Tshituka must surely be called up this year
Surely

[Big Nipper]

Surely you just stick it out with Mostert at 7? Extra jumper at lineout, has a helluva tank on him, and makes it easy to select a 5 - 2 bench

[Sards]

The vacant 7 jersey should provide a great opportunity to one of our many great flanks to get some gametime. But I can't help but feel the ones in the current squad aren't the answer.

I haven't seen anything from Nico Janse van Rensburg that warrants his inclusion in the squad. Even if he gets selected, I can't see him getting a handful of caps and then disappearing.

I don't think Elstadt or Kwagga are our best options. I personally would have liked to have seen JLdP be given the chance, or someone like Elrigh Louw or Vincent Tshituka also given a couple of games to see how they get on.

Tshituka must surely be called up this year
Surely

Rassie is set on his players. He doesn't like to admit when he gets it wrong like with Kwagga and Elstadt.
So it's not going to change and if he doesn't like you you need to accept it and move on.