assfly wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:59 am
I get worried when the Boks are favourites.
I think this Ireland team has too much talent and is too well-coached to just roll over. I think they'll have something up their sleeve.
But I was right. That was very close, and we were on the end of a couple of 50/50 calls.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:11 am
by _Os_
Back to the match.
Wasn't unexpected that the Boks would play with some more width. Bit of an issue stacking Kolisi and Du Toit on the wings though, this is an old AC tactic so we already know he ends up getting shutdown and not having space (removing forwards from the ruck and putting them on the wings = slower ball = no space on the wing), Kolisi is much better used taking off loads from line breaks closer in.
Tony Brown is about the same age as Rassie, but was coached by Rassie in 2008 at the Stomps (Rassie's playing career was quite short), I think what they're going to aim for is simple set moves not multi phase complexity that breaks under pressure, stuff like Kolisi on the wing isn't something a team is going to prepare for (even though it has been used before years ago), I'm expecting innovations like that.
An obvious one given how strong the Bok scrum is, is putting a centre on a flank for an attacking scrum, the eightman/scrumhalf then has the option to offload/pass to the 10 or a backrow on first phase (different set moves for different options), much harder to defend against. The Bulls used to do this a lot, can't remember the centre they did it with, maybe Jan Serfontein who maybe could've been a Bok great but went to France and disappeared.
If enough awkward set moves are added then it becomes much harder for opponents to prepare. It uses the versatility of players Rassie prefers too, so there doesn't need to be a whole new squad to play an entirely different way. Just with those two set moves you could combine them, so Kwagga or Kolisi are stacked on the wing on first phase from an attacking scrum. I'm expecting simple set moves which don't break easily but cumulatively start having an impact larger than the sum of the parts. That's Rassie's style going back to the Cheetahs before he coached Brown.
Ireland were good at the breakdown, got penalised a few times but it mostly worked for them. Ref will be wiser to Irish players coincidently on the ground in front of the ball on the Bok side of the ruck, but that's the main area the Boks have to improve.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:18 am
by assfly
The main takeaway for me was how different we played. Like Os says, seeing PSdT flying down the wing was not something we would have done last year. I felt that the added width also left us a bit exposed in the tackle, which is why Ireland got so many easy turnovers (anyone have the final stats for turnovers, I only recall us getting one jackal through Marx).
Overall I think everyone in our team played quite well. It was only Kwagga who probably didn't have his best outing, I'd be inclined to start Roos and get Kwagga off the bench. I though Sous was excellent, his workrate is simply incredible.
Kriel was outstanding again, he really seems to have notched his game to a higher level since being given the 13 jersey.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:50 am
by boere wors
assfly wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:18 am
The main takeaway for me was how different we played. Like Os says, seeing PSdT flying down the wing was not something we would have done last year. I felt that the added width also left us a bit exposed in the tackle, which is why Ireland got so many easy turnovers (anyone have the final stats for turnovers, I only recall us getting one jackal through Marx).
Overall I think everyone in our team played quite well. It was only Kwagga who probably didn't have his best outing, I'd be inclined to start Roos and get Kwagga off the bench. I though Sous was excellent, his workrate is simply incredible.
Kriel was outstanding again, he really seems to have notched his game to a higher level since being given the 13 jersey.
I am saying that over and over, Kwagga is probably the best impact player in the world, no matter which position he comes on. But starting him at 8 or even 7, as they used to, just doesn’t do the trick. I would also like to see Roos start, bring Kwagga on later.
Sous is the unsung hero of the boks, for years now.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:24 am
by boere wors
Kriel has become an outstanding rugby player. He proved us wrong at the RWC, when we were all lamenting Am’s injury. What a tournament he had and now just continues with that form. I watched the boks office podcast with Kriel a couple of weeks after the RWC and was quite impressed, really humble and well spoken guy, proper team man.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:26 am
by assfly
boere wors wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:24 am
Kriel has become an outstanding rugby player. He proved us wrong at the RWC, when we were all lamenting Am’s injury. What a tournament he had and now just continues with that form. I watched the boks office podcast with Kriel a couple of weeks after the RWC and was quite impressed, really humble and well spoken guy, proper team man.
I don't know what Am is going to do to get that jersey back.
I would be inclined to send him back to the Sharks to get some much needed gametime in the Currie Cup.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:41 am
by boere wors
Ja was asking that question in the bok thread a couple of weeks ago, who is the incumbent 13 now. On current form, Kriel can’t be dropped. Luxury problem to have. He said it himself in the podcast, him and Am are good friends and pushing themselves.
Slick wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:06 am
And the issue is that only South Africans seem to think that institutionalised taking the piss out of a beaten opposition is acceptable.
You constantly excuse this type of behaviour by saying things like “ahh it’s our culture to be a bit shit, so what do you expect”.
assfly wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:18 am
The main takeaway for me was how different we played. Like Os says, seeing PSdT flying down the wing was not something we would have done last year. I felt that the added width also left us a bit exposed in the tackle, which is why Ireland got so many easy turnovers (anyone have the final stats for turnovers, I only recall us getting one jackal through Marx).
Overall I think everyone in our team played quite well. It was only Kwagga who probably didn't have his best outing, I'd be inclined to start Roos and get Kwagga off the bench. I though Sous was excellent, his workrate is simply incredible.
Kriel was outstanding again, he really seems to have notched his game to a higher level since being given the 13 jersey.
assfly wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:18 am
The main takeaway for me was how different we played. Like Os says, seeing PSdT flying down the wing was not something we would have done last year. I felt that the added width also left us a bit exposed in the tackle, which is why Ireland got so many easy turnovers (anyone have the final stats for turnovers, I only recall us getting one jackal through Marx).
Overall I think everyone in our team played quite well. It was only Kwagga who probably didn't have his best outing, I'd be inclined to start Roos and get Kwagga off the bench. I though Sous was excellent, his workrate is simply incredible.
Kriel was outstanding again, he really seems to have notched his game to a higher level since being given the 13 jersey.
Pollard?
Get Libbok in there quickly
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:29 am
by Uncle fester
Casey and Sheehan out for next game. Sheehan is probably out for a long time.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:39 am
by Sards
Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:29 am
Casey and Sheehan out for next game. Sheehan is probably out for a long time.
Wow. Huge loss for Ireland
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:43 am
by assfly
Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:29 am
Casey and Sheehan out for next game. Sheehan is probably out for a long time.
What actually happened to Sheehan?
When I saw them strapping his knee, it was clear it was a serious injury. I don't know why so many teams try and make players last by taping them up to the point they can't bend their limbs. Surely those extra few minutes would have only made the injury worse?
Same with Henshaw. He should have gone for a HIA immediately.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:51 am
by boere wors
Sheehan has done his ACL. He played on at first.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:53 am
by boere wors
Was Henshaw the guy that collided with Kolisi?! That looked like a concussion, he was disorientated, couldnt believe he wasnt sent for an HIA
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:57 am
by assfly
boere wors wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:53 am
Was Henshaw the guy that collided with Kolisi?! That looked like a concussion, he was disorientated, couldnt believe he wasnt sent for an HIA
Yes. Clear-cut concussion. We (as in a lot of teams) seem to be regressing at how we apply HIA protocols.
Blake wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:30 pm
Unchanged Bok team for the second test.
Fair enough. If Pollard kicks straight and Kwagga can catch the ball, we'll be golden.
Probably want to put the series to bed. Can experiment against Portugal the week after.
Might also be handy to give Pollard and Kwagga opportunity to set things right and shut up their doubters.
Think Rassie might pull Pollard a little earlier this Saturday and give Sasha more time than last week.
Re: Springbokke vs Ireland series
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:43 pm
by Sards
As long as Libbok stays away from the pitch when the boks play. Unless Rassie gives him the Portugal game to appease the Cape community who are very vocal about how kak Pollard is on social media. Punting Misbok
Hopefully the fans of the losing team on Saturday will be decent.
Oh I hope so.
My brittle character cannot handle any more Whinging from the world of rugby about the Springboks. The sensible thing would be to throw the match and take the heat off the Springboks for awhile. Problem will be all the gloating. I honestly don't know which is worse.
