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Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:11 am
by Gumboot
Religion is the opium of the people
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:27 pm
by FalseBayFC
Coalition of the willing including NZ, Aus, UK, France have pursued wars all across the planet against islamists. Often on very sketchy grounds. Why can't they assist one of the poorest countries in the world just like they assisted the Yazidis and the Kurds? NZ and Aus SAS were very willing in Afg, Libya and Iraq surely they could lend a hand.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:01 pm
by Lemoentjie
Because they fucked up in Syria.
The CIA and Mossad wanted Assad out, as he was getting too close with Iran. Civil war erupts, huge flow of migrants, etc. They didn't even care about the unintended consequences such as the rise of ISIS. Luckily Russia got involved to stabilise things.
Mozambique should rely on regional partners, not the USA or UK or France.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:19 pm
by FalseBayFC
Cabo Delgado is home to a multibillion-dollar liquefied natural gas project by French multinational Total.
Surely this would place this incident within France's sphere of interest. Ffs this is as many died as the Christchurch massacre. Which incidentally was a million miles from the South African sphere of interest yet was covered extensively by South African media.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:24 am
by Insane_Homer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55079754
A convicted terrorist organiser, who has refused to tell an inquiry about his contact with the Manchester Arena bomber, is to be released from jail.
Abdalraouf Abdallah, 27, was jailed in 2016 after being found guilty of helping people travel to Syria to join the Islamic State group.
The Manchester Arena Inquiry heard he was in touch with bomber Salman Abedi in the months leading up to the attack.
The BBC understands he will be released on licence later this week
...
It is understood that Abdallah's licence conditions will be similar to those imposed on the hate preacher Anjem Choudary, who was released on licence two years ago.
The measures are understood to include:
Being placed in supervised probation accommodation not in Manchester, wearing a GPS tag, obeying a curfew and reporting in several times a day, as well as engaging with the government's "desistance and disengagement" de-radicalisation scheme
Barring him from Manchester city centre, where the inquiry is taking place, as well as Moss Side and surrounding areas in the south of the city, where he previously lived
A ban on unsupervised internet use, limits on phone use, surrender of his passport, and not being allowed to give talks or sermons
He will also not be allowed contact with any serving prisoner or anyone convicted of a terrorism offence, nor unsupervised contact with anyone under 18
...
There has been significant public debate over the past the year following attacks in London - at Fishmongers' Hall and Streatham - by recently released prisoners convicted of terror-related offences.
So how long until we read about this guy again, presumable after 'lack of police funding' results in any surveillance being dropped?
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:44 am
by Hugo
Good question, half of those conditions seem unenforceable, no way the police have the resources to ensure he is not in Manchester city centre.
The nutter who carried out the Reading murders was an asylum seeker with half a dozen convictions - one for carrying a knife - yet still he was out in the public free to kill at will.
The justice system is nowhere near tough or stringent enough to properly address this problem and protect the public from the nutters.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:59 am
by Lobby
Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:44 am
Good question, half of those conditions seem unenforceable, no way the police have the resources to ensure he is not in Manchester city centre.
The nutter who carried out the Reading murders was an asylum seeker with half a dozen convictions - one for carrying a knife - yet still he was out in the public free to kill at will.
The justice system is nowhere near tough or stringent enough to properly address this problem and protect the public from the nutters.
The problem is we can't simply detain these people indefinitely; once they have served their sentence (or at least the portion they are legally required to serve), they have to be released, whether they are still radicalised or not. The only option in these cases seems to me to impose stringent conditions that removes them from their circle of contacts and prevents them contacting others or using the internet and other social media. With regard to his movements, I assume the GPS tag he is required to wear would quickly show any attempt on his part to travel to prohibited areas.
I also don't think that imposing ever longer sentences is the answer either. We already have an overstretched justice system with far too many people in prison. In most of these cases the imposition of sentences that are appropriate for the offences they have committed (such as knife or drug crimes) cannot take account of the significant danger they will continue to pose at the end of their sentence because of their ideological hatred of western democracies.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:53 am
by Torquemada 1420
I'm thinking of opening an online, guillotine supplier. Shipping to the Middle East free.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:02 am
by JM2K6
Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:44 am
Good question, half of those conditions seem unenforceable, no way the police have the resources to ensure he is not in Manchester city centre.
The nutter who carried out the Reading murders was an asylum seeker with half a dozen convictions - one for carrying a knife - yet still he was out in the public free to kill at will.
The justice system is nowhere near tough or stringent enough to properly address this problem and protect the public from the nutters.
The justice system is criminally underfunded. There's a huge backlog of work that existed pre-COVID, and it can take years for people to see justice. Making the system tougher is not the answer. Making it work quicker and fairer? Yes please.
Re: Another beheading in France
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:00 pm
by Kawazaki
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:02 am
Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:44 am
Good question, half of those conditions seem unenforceable, no way the police have the resources to ensure he is not in Manchester city centre.
The nutter who carried out the Reading murders was an asylum seeker with half a dozen convictions - one for carrying a knife - yet still he was out in the public free to kill at will.
The justice system is nowhere near tough or stringent enough to properly address this problem and protect the public from the nutters.
The justice system is criminally underfunded. There's a huge backlog of work that existed pre-COVID, and it can take years for people to see justice. Making the system tougher is not the answer. Making it work quicker and fairer? Yes please.
Priti Patel gets called Nazi as it is, can you imagine the uproar if she made it easier to deport refugees/illegal immigrants/people who look different?
If we're a soft touch, we've only got ourselves to blame, not the politicians. Underfunded or not, the spooks still know who most of the proper wrong 'uns are.