So, coronavirus...

[Bimbowomxn]

mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now

The study found:

Cloth face coverings are effective in protecting the wearer and those around them.
Behavioural factors are involved, including how people understand the virus and their perceptions of risk, trust in experts and government, can adversely affect mask wearing.
Face masks need to be seen as part of ‘policy packages’ with other measures such as social distancing and hand hygiene.
Clear and consistent policies and public messaging are key to the adoption of wearing face masks and coverings by the general public

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

[Northern Lights]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

[Tichtheid]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

4,544,629 cases, 136,895 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/brazil/

[Biffer]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

[Tichtheid]

Hands up anyone who had to google "seroprevalence"

[JM2K6]

mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now

The study found:

Cloth face coverings are effective in protecting the wearer and those around them.
Behavioural factors are involved, including how people understand the virus and their perceptions of risk, trust in experts and government, can adversely affect mask wearing.
Face masks need to be seen as part of ‘policy packages’ with other measures such as social distancing and hand hygiene.
Clear and consistent policies and public messaging are key to the adoption of wearing face masks and coverings by the general public

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Incredible. You didn't even bother to read the links, you just referenced the wording of the URL of the last one and tossed off a half-arsed response. Intellectually bankrupt.

[Slick]

Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Idiot.

No one is supping a pint whilst drinking a pint but in Scotland you wear one when you enter until you are sat down.

Just this morning petrol station, bloke behind the desk with mask on, me the only customer wearing one. Hire car place, 3 separate employees coming to speak to me without masks, me the only customer with one on. Convenience store I’ve just come out of, me and one other person wearing one.

Idiot.

[Jb1981]

Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Scotland’s R number isn’t higher by the latest Government estimate. It is very close but England is edging it.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.bbc. ... k-51768274

On Friday, the government raised its estimate for the R number across the whole of the UK to between 1.1 and 1.4.

The estimate for England is 1.2-1.4, while for Scotland it is 1.1-1.4. The estimate for Wales is 0.7-1.0 and in Northern Ireland it is 1.2.

[Bimbowomxn]

mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Incredible. You didn't even bother to read the links, you just referenced the wording of the URL of the last one and tossed off a half-arsed response. Intellectually bankrupt.

I don’t give a fuck what you think I did and didn’t open, all these reports are post all the other reports that said mask evidence is sketchy at best.

Here’s a thought for you, if masks worked why are cases increasing in France where they’ve had strict mask policies for longer? It’s a question you won’t answer.

[Bimbowomxn]

Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Idiot.

No one is supping a pint whilst drinking a pint but in Scotland you wear one when you enter until you are sat down.

Just this morning petrol station, bloke behind the desk with mask on, me the only customer wearing one. Hire car place, 3 separate employees coming to speak to me without masks, me the only customer with one on. Convenience store I’ve just come out of, me and one other person wearing one.

Idiot.

Same R number as England near as damm it but with a much lower population density.

But the English.

The facts don’t reflect the anecdotes.

[Bimbowomxn]

Anyway some sense.

[Bimbowomxn]

Oh, and still no comments regarding the false positive test results.

[JM2K6]

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Incredible. You didn't even bother to read the links, you just referenced the wording of the URL of the last one and tossed off a half-arsed response. Intellectually bankrupt.

I don’t give a fuck what you think I did and didn’t open, all these reports are post all the other reports that said mask evidence is sketchy at best.

That's a world away from what you said literally hours ago:

"MASKS DON’T WORK"

"There’s no science at all that says they’re effective in any way. "

So when you said "there's no science at all", you were utterly wrong. Again. And instead of reading the science and going "well, that's good news" - because hey, anything that helps against this deadly virus is good news, right? - you're back on the attack like a rabid dog.

Here’s a thought for you, if masks worked why are cases increasing in France where they’ve had strict mask policies for longer? It’s a question you won’t answer.

Because no-one is saying that masks are going to cure COVID, just that they help prevent the spread of COVID quite a lot. And in France, they made masks mandatory after cases surged, which is a bit "stable door", and only in a few places (as far as I can tell it was just Paris and some outlying areas to begin with, and now they've added more - after the virus has gotten out of control).

[sockwithaticket]

The inaccurate thing about calling this bimbo is that the horse seems to recognise it's dead. The real one is staggering around, flesh sloughing off, refusing to accept the reality of the situation and snapping at anything that comes close enough out of nothing but instinct or muscle memory.

[Raggs]

Go Sweden! Show that economic advantage!



Oh wait, it's not the economic axis they're "winning"...

[Bimbowomxn]

[Glaston]

People are not following the mask guidance in France.

My Sis/Bro in law are pretty peeved about this, as they have been scrupulous in adhering to the rules for months.


People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

What is Bimbos objection to the wearing of masks?
Its a very simple thing to do. Even if it only is 1% effective, thats better than 0%

[Bimbowomxn]

People are not following the mask guidance in France.

My Sis/Bro in law are pretty peeved about this, as they have been scrupulous in adhering to the rules for months.


People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

What is Bimbos objection to the wearing of masks?
Its a very simple thing to do. Even if it only is 1% effective, thats better than 0%

I wear my placebo.

Masks are a an imposition though, especially on children and people with anxiety,

And no 1% effectiveness isn’t a price worth paying.

[Slick]

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Idiot.

No one is supping a pint whilst drinking a pint but in Scotland you wear one when you enter until you are sat down.

Just this morning petrol station, bloke behind the desk with mask on, me the only customer wearing one. Hire car place, 3 separate employees coming to speak to me without masks, me the only customer with one on. Convenience store I’ve just come out of, me and one other person wearing one.

Idiot.

Same R number as England near as damm it but with a much lower population density.

But the English.

The facts don’t reflect the anecdotes.

I give my observation, you say it’s not true, I give you specific up to date examples of my observations, you talk about something else.

Idiot

[tc27]

So softened up for more restrictions tomorrow I guess.

[Carter's Choice]

Sad to see this 51 page thread has been reduced to bimboman baiting posters into reacting to his increasingly ridiculous and attention seeking comments and outbursts.

[Northern Lights]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Thanks. The tests are curious one as if they arent going to track and trace as seems to be our plan, poorly executed, the testing to my mind isnt as important other than confirming the deaths were with Covid or not. That is my layman's take on it though.

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?

[robmatic]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

[JM2K6]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Thanks. The tests are curious one as if they arent going to track and trace as seems to be our plan, poorly executed, the testing to my mind isnt as important other than confirming the deaths were with Covid or not. That is my layman's take on it though.

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?

I think Bolsonaro hasn't managed to overrule the state governors - there's been plenty of lockdowns but no concerted and co-ordinated response.

[Biffer]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Thanks. The tests are curious one as if they arent going to track and trace as seems to be our plan, poorly executed, the testing to my mind isnt as important other than confirming the deaths were with Covid or not. That is my layman's take on it though.

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?

People are wearing masks and social distancing so far as I understand, although there's limited compliance with masks and what's happening in the favelas is anyone's guess as these will be the ones least likely to be tested. There's been different restrictions in each state, regardless of Bolsonaro's posturing.

[Biffer]

What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

[TheNatalShark]

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?
[/quote]

Not my Brazilian friends in Sao Paolo, they've been holding in doors. Not sure because of restrictions, but they have and live with elderly parents. I know they recently reopened borders.

[Sandstorm]

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

Lot of Fliddy's in Brazil, not easy to put your own mask on.







*Yes, I'm going straight to hell.

[Hong Kong]

[robmatic]

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

Or that access to adequate healthcare is important to ensure good outcomes for the young.

[CM11]

Very good!

[Bimbowomxn]

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

No one claims “only”. They do claim that the average age of Covid deaths are in many countries higher than the average life expectancy though.

[Insane_Homer]

At a press conference today Professor Chris Whitty stated “the U.K. is heading in the wrong direction”. He also stated we could be seeing 49,000 new cases a day in coming weeks.

Fearmongering!!!! WTF does he know!!!! He's just a lefty

[Niegs]

People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Do the shops not sanitise for you?

Here in Canuckistan, you put them back in a designated spot and an employee sanitises before putting back where you pick them up.

Early on, I had to laugh at one shop as someone took a cart and immediately withdrew his hands with a disgusted grunt. "Sir, that's hand sanitizer," the kid interjected before the oldie had a chance to complain.

[Bimbowomxn]

At a press conference today Professor Chris Whitty stated “the U.K. is heading in the wrong direction”. He also stated we could be seeing 49,000 new cases a day in coming weeks.

Fearmongering!!!! WTF does he know!!!! He's just a lefty

Happy to have a flounce bet with you that we don’t get to 49,000 cases a day in October.

[Slick]

Cathy Newman on C4 news really can be shite. Desperately trying to get 3 experts to disagree with each other but all 3 started almost every reply with “we are all agreed on this” but still she thrashed.

[CM11]

People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Do the shops not sanitise for you?

Here in Canuckistan, you put them back in a designated spot and an employee sanitises before putting back where you pick them up.

Early on, I had to laugh at one shop as someone took a cart and immediately withdrew his hands with a disgusted grunt. "Sir, that's hand sanitizer," the kid interjected before the oldie had a chance to complain.

Can't speak for anywhere else but our local supermarket were very good with one way systems from the car park, sanitising trolleys and limiting numbers but they seem to have given up all 3. Someone still does the trolleys but they're not there all the time so you can't guarantee the next trolley isn't one that's just been returned.

[The Druid]

For the first time ever I listened to Talk Radio (UK) today.
Christ! What a screaming hysterical bunch of presenters they have.

[Slick]

People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Do the shops not sanitise for you?

Here in Canuckistan, you put them back in a designated spot and an employee sanitises before putting back where you pick them up.

Early on, I had to laugh at one shop as someone took a cart and immediately withdrew his hands with a disgusted grunt. "Sir, that's hand sanitizer," the kid interjected before the oldie had a chance to complain.

Can't speak for anywhere else but our local supermarket were very good with one way systems from the car park, sanitising trolleys and limiting numbers but they seem to have given up all 3. Someone still does the trolleys but they're not there all the time so you can't guarantee the next trolley isn't one that's just been returned.

Oddly, the local supermarket I went too last night in London had a guy on the door making sure everyone had a mask and a one in one out system. Today no one on the door and most people wandering around without masks

[CM11]

Night security doing extra but no day security needed so no one there to take up the slack?