NPR

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:13 pm mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now

The study found:

Cloth face coverings are effective in protecting the wearer and those around them.
Behavioural factors are involved, including how people understand the virus and their perceptions of risk, trust in experts and government, can adversely affect mask wearing.
Face masks need to be seen as part of ‘policy packages’ with other measures such as social distancing and hand hygiene.
Clear and consistent policies and public messaging are key to the adoption of wearing face masks and coverings by the general public

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:02 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:13 pm mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now

The study found:

Cloth face coverings are effective in protecting the wearer and those around them.
Behavioural factors are involved, including how people understand the virus and their perceptions of risk, trust in experts and government, can adversely affect mask wearing.
Face masks need to be seen as part of ‘policy packages’ with other measures such as social distancing and hand hygiene.
Clear and consistent policies and public messaging are key to the adoption of wearing face masks and coverings by the general public

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:30 pm Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:30 pm Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

On Friday, the government raised its estimate for the R number across the whole of the UK to between 1.1 and 1.4.

The estimate for England is 1.2-1.4, while for Scotland it is 1.1-1.4. The estimate for Wales is 0.7-1.0 and in Northern Ireland it is 1.2.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:09 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:02 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:13 pm mAsKs DoNt WoRk

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-ox ... rk-act-now


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12003836

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... lines.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 1595083298

“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Incredible. You didn't even bother to read the links, you just referenced the wording of the URL of the last one and tossed off a half-arsed response. Intellectually bankrupt.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:15 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:30 pm Having spent the last few days in various parts of England it’s a really stark difference from Scotland in terms of how folk are going about their daily lives.

Very few masks in pubs and restaurants, lots of people in shops without masks, very little social distancing anywhere. We’ve been quite shocked

And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Idiot.

No one is supping a pint whilst drinking a pint but in Scotland you wear one when you enter until you are sat down.

Just this morning petrol station, bloke behind the desk with mask on, me the only customer wearing one. Hire car place, 3 separate employees coming to speak to me without masks, me the only customer with one on. Convenience store I’ve just come out of, me and one other person wearing one.

Idiot.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:50 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:09 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:02 am



“Is growing”

These are the Masks that didn’t work a few months ago. No science has changed that.

Incredible. You didn't even bother to read the links, you just referenced the wording of the URL of the last one and tossed off a half-arsed response. Intellectually bankrupt.

I don’t give a fuck what you think I did and didn’t open, all these reports are post all the other reports that said mask evidence is sketchy at best.

Here’s a thought for you, if masks worked why are cases increasing in France where they’ve had strict mask policies for longer? It’s a question you won’t answer.

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:47 am People are not following the mask guidance in France.

My Sis/Bro in law are pretty peeved about this, as they have been scrupulous in adhering to the rules for months.


People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

What is Bimbos objection to the wearing of masks?
Its a very simple thing to do. Even if it only is 1% effective, thats better than 0%

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:52 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:15 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:33 pm



And yet the Scottish R number is higher.

Who the f uck is wearing a mask while supping a pint ?

I’ve not seen one person in a shop without a mask.

(Btw masks are a placebo ).

Idiot.

No one is supping a pint whilst drinking a pint but in Scotland you wear one when you enter until you are sat down.

Just this morning petrol station, bloke behind the desk with mask on, me the only customer wearing one. Hire car place, 3 separate employees coming to speak to me without masks, me the only customer with one on. Convenience store I’ve just come out of, me and one other person wearing one.

Idiot.

Same R number as England near as damm it but with a much lower population density.

But the English.

The facts don’t reflect the anecdotes.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:27 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Thanks. The tests are curious one as if they arent going to track and trace as seems to be our plan, poorly executed, the testing to my mind isnt as important other than confirming the deaths were with Covid or not. That is my layman's take on it though.

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:27 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Thanks. The tests are curious one as if they arent going to track and trace as seems to be our plan, poorly executed, the testing to my mind isnt as important other than confirming the deaths were with Covid or not. That is my layman's take on it though.

I take it they are just carrying on with life though as opposed to taking meaningful steps to try and prevent the spread?

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:47 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:28 am What is going on with Brazil these days? Bolsonaro just basically ignored it and the deaths piled up, i believe some of the state goveners tried to do something but Bolsonaro over ruled them or something. Basically are they even remotely close to this thing burning out or is it still rampaging like mad?

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:27 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:52 am Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:52 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:47 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:59 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:52 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:47 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 am

Still going, averaging 30,000 cases a day and 750 deaths. 136,000 deaths so far. Rates of death reported fairly flat since May at that level. So no sign of it easing off. They have done fewer tests than the UK whilst having three times the population.

In one state, Maranhao, seroprevalence May be 35-40%. They have reported around 3500 deaths, so double that to get to seroprevalence of the level required for herd immunity. But there’s evidence, by looking at excess death rates, that there is a massive under reporting Of deaths of up to 80%in this state, which would suggest they’re heading for 35,000 deaths in a population of 6.8 million. That’s be an IFR of around 0.8% which is inline with studies. Bear in mind that their demographics are younger, so our IFR is likely to be higher. A similar incidence in the UK would likely get up towards 400,000 deaths.

Ouch, I just looked at the difference in demographics. 7.8% over 65 in Brazil vs 18% in the UK, so they are not benefiting as much from their young population as I would have thought.

Probably indicative of the fallacy of the 'only old people die' argument.

At a press conference today Professor Chris Whitty stated “the U.K. is heading in the wrong direction”. He also stated we could be seeing 49,000 new cases a day in coming weeks.

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:47 am
People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:30 pm

At a press conference today Professor Chris Whitty stated “the U.K. is heading in the wrong direction”. He also stated we could be seeing 49,000 new cases a day in coming weeks.

Fearmongering!!!! WTF does he know!!!! He's just a lefty

Niegs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:29 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:47 am
People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Do the shops not sanitise for you?

Here in Canuckistan, you put them back in a designated spot and an employee sanitises before putting back where you pick them up.

Early on, I had to laugh at one shop as someone took a cart and immediately withdrew his hands with a disgusted grunt. "Sir, that's hand sanitizer," the kid interjected before the oldie had a chance to complain.

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:17 pm

Niegs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:29 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:47 am
People are still not following the rules in the UK either, numerous people in the supermarkets not wearing masks, not sanitising trolleys/baskets etc.

Do the shops not sanitise for you?

Here in Canuckistan, you put them back in a designated spot and an employee sanitises before putting back where you pick them up.

Early on, I had to laugh at one shop as someone took a cart and immediately withdrew his hands with a disgusted grunt. "Sir, that's hand sanitizer," the kid interjected before the oldie had a chance to complain.

Can't speak for anywhere else but our local supermarket were very good with one way systems from the car park, sanitising trolleys and limiting numbers but they seem to have given up all 3. Someone still does the trolleys but they're not there all the time so you can't guarantee the next trolley isn't one that's just been returned.