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Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:59 pm The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:08 pm Abbreviation of retard

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:42 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:59 pm The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

It's almost as if the people actually having to deal with an unprecedented crisis know more about it than us. Crazy.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm
I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:42 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:59 pm The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

It's almost as if the people actually having to deal with an unprecedented crisis know more about it than us. Crazy.

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:53 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm
I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:53 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm
I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:53 pm

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:53 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 pm
I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:31 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:53 pm

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Seems like some fairly sensible policies there. Apart from the farmers.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:26 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:52 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:26 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:00 pm Boris is Blair with wierd hair

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:26 pm the only 'tards here are one that can read through pages and pages of transgressions on this thread and this, "Yup, I'll vote for them"

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:52 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:26 pm

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:52 pm

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm
PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:52 pm

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:41 am Going back to Dyson, am I right in thinking that the issue was that JD didn’t want his ex-pat employees being hit for extra tax if they came back early to the UK to work on ventilators?

The full scale of Home Office failures in managing former military sites as makeshift accommodation for asylum seekers is laid bare in a raft of damning documents seen by the Guardian.

An unpublished report by prison inspectors and correspondence sent by the outgoing chief inspector of borders and immigration, David Bolt, highlight “serious mistakes” and “fundamental failures of leadership and planning” by the Home Office in its management of the Napier barracks site in Kent and Penally camp in Pembrokeshire.

In an explosive letter to Priti Patel, the home secretary, Bolt criticises her department’s failure to consult local authorities, its “wholly inadequate” health assessments, “extremely poor” communications and reveals some subcontractors working at the sites were breaching their visa conditions.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:09 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am
I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Yeah, that must be it

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:16 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am
I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:36 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:09 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Yeah, that must be it

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:42 am And this is our PM showing his admirable ability to address the media and its global audience with articulate speech



Say one thing for Thatcher, say that she didn't sound as if she had only just learned the gift of speaking

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:02 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:36 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:09 am

Yeah, that must be it

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

They think differently and have different priorities to you?

I've never voted Tory so I'm not defending them, but comments about only imbeciles voting for them is a bit daft really. I'd have thought the majority of Tory voters are pretty well educated.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm
PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:06 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:43 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:52 pm

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:02 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 pm
PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

I disagree with that. There are PR systems with minority and coalition governments in the UK devolved nations that have pushed more change than the UK govt and often led where Westminster has followed.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:58 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:02 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:13 am
The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

I disagree with that. There are PR systems with minority and coalition governments in the UK devolved nations that have pushed more change than the UK govt and often led where Westminster has followed.

Right. The more innovative and dynamic ideas are likely to come from the smaller parties who tend to be created around these issues; the same smaller parties who in our current system haven't a hope in hell of getting any power at all. The broader church Big Parties tend to be less focused on change beyond their right/left dynamic.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:58 am
Right. The more innovative and dynamic ideas are likely to come from the smaller parties who tend to be created around these issues; the same smaller parties who in our current system haven't a hope in hell of getting any power at all. The broader church Big Parties tend to be less focused on change beyond their right/left dynamic.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:45 pm

Someone has a plan at least !

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:54 am

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:02 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:36 am

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

They think differently and have different priorities to you?

I've never voted Tory so I'm not defending them, but comments about only imbeciles voting for them is a bit daft really. I'd have thought the majority of Tory voters are pretty well educated.

Being well-educated only makes people learned, which doesn't really count for much beyond what you've been taught.

My comment was more made in bewilderment that despite everything, the austerity of ten years, the Brexit vote, the shambolic handling of the pandemic, the breaking of their own rules by their main people, the lying to parliament, the deals that seem very dodgy at best, the fact that their friends and donors are the beneficiaries of these deals, despite all of that and more, they are extending their lead in the polls.

Johnson's whole persona is a sham, an act, "Boris" is a creation, he's not a real person, and to repeat myself, it bewilders me that people swallow it.