NPR

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:38 pm Maybe as a reaction to today's unexpected event, could be a purge in process to find some scapegoats?

[EDIT] well for now it could just be fake news, or something minor blown up out of proportion

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:08 pm
Probably atacms or hrim2's. Same as was used on the Saky airbase.

It doesn't sound like it & the blast was just too big for any missile the Ukranians have.

The Beeb has an expert that reckons it was a SF operation, with placed charges, but even that is hard to believe, as you'd still need a shitload of explosives, & plenty of time to place them ?

One explosives expert told the BBC the fire was probably not caused by a missile.

"The lack of obvious blast / fragmentation damage on the road surface suggests that an air-delivered weapon was not used," he said.

He said it was possible that "a well-planned attack from below may have been the cause".

"I suspect explosives on the road bridge and train deck were initiated near simultaneously using coded radio command," he added.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:30 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:28 pm

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:08 pm
Probably atacms or hrim2's. Same as was used on the Saky airbase.

It doesn't sound like it & the blast was just too big for any missile the Ukranians have.

The Beeb has an expert that reckons it was a SF operation, with placed charges, but even that is hard to believe, as you'd still need a shitload of explosives, & plenty of time to place them ?

One explosives expert told the BBC the fire was probably not caused by a missile.

"The lack of obvious blast / fragmentation damage on the road surface suggests that an air-delivered weapon was not used," he said.

He said it was possible that "a well-planned attack from below may have been the cause".

"I suspect explosives on the road bridge and train deck were initiated near simultaneously using coded radio command," he added.

Nah, looks like it was a single atacm that did it. Maybe the explosion was the fuel train which was a fortunate coincidence. I'm the opposite of a military expert but I wonder it this wasn't a kind of test by the Ukrainians to see what the effect on the bridge would be and what Russia's reaction would be, before they fire of a few more and finish the job.

laurent wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:01 am Russia bombing City centers today.

Really hope there will be a hague tribunal for these murdering cunts. (add the Syrian War crimes and the tally is sky high.

PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:23 pm Probably just a feint to try and get Ukraine to move resources around

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:18 pm And regardless Ukraine can't ignore the threat. They have to keep soldiers along the border and protecting Kyiv. Plum.

Niegs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:27 pm I read something recently suggesting, in a given hot spot, Ukraine regularly rotated troops out of action to give them rest.

I suppose it's likely that the 'rear' locations, like around Kyiv, are often manned by soldiers who've had a LOT of experience, maybe even with their own equipment? Belorussia's 'Bridge Too Far' being stepping across the border, finding not 'old men on bicycles' but battle-hardened vets ready to kick some tail?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:13 pm

Niegs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:27 pm I read something recently suggesting, in a given hot spot, Ukraine regularly rotated troops out of action to give them rest.

I suppose it's likely that the 'rear' locations, like around Kyiv, are often manned by soldiers who've had a LOT of experience, maybe even with their own equipment? Belorussia's 'Bridge Too Far' being stepping across the border, finding not 'old men on bicycles' but battle-hardened vets ready to kick some tail?

There's zero appetitie for a fight from both the Belorussian Military, & the civilian population at large; this is just the minimum they can do to make the little dictator happy.

If they ever did get forced into the fight, I suspect the Ukranians would capture a lot of POWs in the first few hours, & take control of most of Belorussia's armor.

laurent wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:01 am Russia bombing City centers today.

Really hope there will be a hague tribunal for these murdering cunts. (add the Syrian War crimes and the tally is sky high.

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:43 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Very childlike view of WW1.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:59 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:43 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Very childlike view of WW1.

Very hard to say that it wasn't a critical factor in the start of the war and the decision to fight it to a finish

petej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:09 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:59 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:43 am

Very childlike view of WW1.

Very hard to say that it wasn't a critical factor in the start of the war and the decision to fight it to a finish

Didn't the German government pre Nazis do what was essentially lots of austerity type policies leading to the population becoming very unhappy?

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:08 pm Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:41 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:08 pm Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

Perhaps you are correct.

But at least they'd have a fighting chance of being able to read it...

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:41 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:08 pm Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

Perhaps you are correct.

But at least they'd have a fighting chance of being able to read it...

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:54 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:36 am Rumours on one Japanese news site that Zelenskyy had fled the country, though the main media do not seem to be taking it too seriously.

I hope bot a main stream site as that would be so stupid it would defy belief

Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:11 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:54 am

Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:36 am Rumours on one Japanese news site that Zelenskyy had fled the country, though the main media do not seem to be taking it too seriously.

I hope bot a main stream site as that would be so stupid it would defy belief

It has been ignored by every other news site I have looked at, as is fitting.