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sturginho wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:09 am He's not called "Honest" Bob for nothing you know

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:26 pm

epwc wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:50 pm Some stuff is just soooo important:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 21106.html

Well Liz Truss agrees and



Also now: "BREED FOR BRITAIN!"

The academic Tim Bale published research today on the differences between Tory members and the general public, picking out unsurprising but major divergence in how likely they were to agree with statements such as “Leaders need to be able to dominate people and show a bit of aggression now and then” (public: 43% disagree v 28% agree; members: 29% disagree v 47% agree) and “It’s important for leaders to be able to manipulate situations to get their way” (public: 48% disagree v 21% agree; members: 28% disagree v 43% agree).

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:06 pm

epwc wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:50 pm Some stuff is just soooo important:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 21106.html

I remain fascinated by the overtly pro Israel positions taken by mainstream politicians. Goes so far beyond what is required and does not really have an electoral audience

epwc wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:29 am Amazing about Rhodesia

_Os_ wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:22 amSomething very similar is happening with the online phenomena of Rhodesia nostalgia, from people who aren't from Zim/have no connection to the place/never been there/probably never even met anyone from there, but these clueless people who don't know what they're talking about are still trying to score some sort of point over a generation later (going on the youtube view counts there's an audience in the millions for it too).

epwc wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:15 am This bit:

_Os_ wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:22 amSomething very similar is happening with the online phenomena of Rhodesia nostalgia, from people who aren't from Zim/have no connection to the place/never been there/probably never even met anyone from there, but these clueless people who don't know what they're talking about are still trying to score some sort of point over a generation later (going on the youtube view counts there's an audience in the millions for it too).

Biffer wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:22 pm Tragic that Jonathan Gullis is having trouble finding work after losing his seat.

He attacked the joint NEU general secretaries Kevin Courtney and Mary Bousted when speaking to TalkTV on Monday, hours before union members announce the results of their strike ballots.

He dubbed the NEU the “Not Education Union” before getting personal.

Gullis said: ″Commie Courtney and Bolshevik Bousted have been working hard, desperately getting their strike that they’ve been so keen for because they’re Labour Party members, they’re Labour Party agitators who want to make sure they bring the Conservative government, and get an early general election.”

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:19 am Oh that. I suspect it's a result of Clarkson and Co's final The Grand Tour show in Zimbabwe that's brought some people out of the woodwork about the old Rhodesia.

It'll die out by the weekend.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:30 am

Biffer wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:22 pm Tragic that Jonathan Gullis is having trouble finding work after losing his seat.

What a shock, even if you ignore that he publicly demonstrated himself to be a weapons grade bellend on numerous occasions while in office, he has more than a few public comments about education that'd likely stymie any interest a school might have in him.

He attacked the joint NEU general secretaries Kevin Courtney and Mary Bousted when speaking to TalkTV on Monday, hours before union members announce the results of their strike ballots.

He dubbed the NEU the “Not Education Union” before getting personal.

Gullis said: ″Commie Courtney and Bolshevik Bousted have been working hard, desperately getting their strike that they’ve been so keen for because they’re Labour Party members, they’re Labour Party agitators who want to make sure they bring the Conservative government, and get an early general election.”

Attacking the biggest education union's leadership probably isn't helping his cause and just before the election he was saying he he didn't think he had the patience to return to teaching.

There's a possibility he might fit in ideologically at certain private schools, but it's also likely that the students would run rings around him if they even had any vacancies (which, would have been unlikely by the time he left office).

Biffer wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:22 pm Tragic that Jonathan Gullis is having trouble finding work after losing his seat.

She always wins fights she gets into (she fought and lost a leadership contest last time).

FIGHT THE BLOB!!! IMPRISON 5%-10% THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!! UNIONS!!!

Maternity pay is excessive (just quit your job like she did for the benefit of her employer).

On the subject of the working class ...

Kemi Badenoch, "Working classes are the people who have to work for a living, otherwise they will be in trouble". So that's pretty much everyone with a job.



She became working class via briefly working at McDonalds "flipping burgers" (no one flips burgers at McDonalds, they've optimised that out of their process).

Speaking at the Spectator fringe, Kemi Badenoch says: “HR is running the economy right now. I want that to change.”
Badenoch: “If people think the government can pronounce on something, it changes their attitude.” She cites the oasis tickets controversy and says Labour getting involved in it was like government “as a concierge service.”
Badenoch: “Businesses would do lot more for their staff if they didn't have the burdens. Asking govt to mandate things for business is just adding another burden. We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.”

On the subject of immigrants ...

Muslim immigrants hate Israel, especially those from Northern Nigeria, but not all Muslims.



Do not employ foreign carers, when there's an aging population and not enough carers:

Kemi Badenoch, "I never have gaffes.. Or apologising for something.. That's not what I meant.. I never have to clarify.. Because I think very careful about what I say"

_Os_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:42 am Who are we picking for Tory leader?

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inactionman wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:57 am

_Os_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:42 am Who are we picking for Tory leader?

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Badenoch is like a bad Armando Iannucci fever dream.

So many characteristics you just don't want in leaders or politicians, but are hilariously cringeworthy.

Badenoch - We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:24 am

Badenoch - We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.

No they won't. And she knows they won't. A few businesses might if they have the good fortune to be run by an actual human being, but such businesses are pretty unusual and generally fairly modest in scale. Mostly, business as a whole has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do anything that's beneficial for the employee. Regulations are won through the blood, sweat and tears of obviously egregious worker exploitation.

Fuck her and whichever Tufton Strett cunt is handing out her talking points.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:39 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:24 am

Badenoch - We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.

No they won't. And she knows they won't. A few businesses might if they have the good fortune to be run by an actual human being, but such businesses are pretty unusual and generally fairly modest in scale. Mostly, business as a whole has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do anything that's beneficial for the employee. Regulations are won through the blood, sweat and tears of obviously egregious worker exploitation.

Fuck her and whichever Tufton Strett cunt is handing out her talking points.

It's the Tory libertarian thing "collapse the state, imprison the civil servants, let businesses do as they please unregulated, then they will pay their staff a minimum wage and give them maternity leave ... the government has the power to do this but should not". They haven't been a conservative party for awhile, they've been a utopian party since at least Brexit (could argue Thatcher). This notion that if there is no state (the EU, the ECHR, the civil service) and is no plan, then magically there's sunlit uplands and everything people wanted from the state magically happens anyway but better, is a utopian delusion.

In reality shit gets pumped into every river and onto every beach.

Included that one because it gets to the heart of the madness. You know any Tory coming out with that stuff is a full on loon.

_Os_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:42 am Have to wonder how she got so high up the ladder at a young age. Looks like another possible Tory diversity hire (Truss and Braverman definitely examples of that). She's had the full works done on her, even the Ashcroft biography. Truss was the same, the right thought she was fucking brilliant. It seems there's a species of Tory who is deeply impressed by anyone who is a woman and/or not white, that can breathe wear a blue rosette and put a sentence together all at the same time.

SCOOP: Badenoch is running her bid to be nxt Tory leader from a wealthy donor’s home.
-undercuts Tory efforts to attack Starmer over his use of a donor’s home
-she hasn’t yet declared her use of the home
-but donor Neil Record says she’s got “stardust”

Badenoch now. I can't take much more of this. No-one should have to go through this. God knows what she's babbling about.

Badenoch reminds me quite a bit of Jeremy Corbyn. People seem to get very excited about her. But then you see her do a speech and you're like: Really? Is that it?

Needless to say, Badenoch is talking about how brave she is when she is attacked on Twitter.

"If you call communism environmentalism you can close down businesses, block the roads and you can stop people going to work." I've no idea what she is talking about and I don't believe she does either.

She's now suggesting conservative students are being marked down by their lecturers as punishment for their political views. There's that thin layer of conspiratorial sludge in her rhetoric. It's not just right-wing, it's deeply paranoid.

Amazing how rarely the Lib Dems are mentioned. She just said they won't help. Cleverly said they're wet. Lots of Tory seats were lost to the Lib Dems in the centre. Not a fucking word about it in that hall.

She's talking about her "comprehensive plan" to reboot the British state. This sounds like a Trussite agenda: It seems that it's about defenstrating the institutions which restrain the executive. She mentions the ECHR, judicial review, the Treasury, the Bank of England, devolution, the civil service. Obviously that's sold as giving power back to the people. In reality it is about giving power to the government.

"Government needs to be the servant of the market." What an extraordinary thing to say.

epwc wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:05 pm He seems like a nice fella:

https://www.desmog.com/neil-record/

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:24 am

Badenoch - We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.

No they won't. And she knows they won't. A few businesses might if they have the good fortune to be run by an actual human being, but such businesses are pretty unusual and generally fairly modest in scale. Mostly, business as a whole has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do anything that's beneficial for the employee. Regulations are won through the blood, sweat and tears of obviously egregious worker exploitation.

Fuck her and whichever Tufton Strett cunt is handing out her talking points.


Ultimately, she's nasty and ambitious enough to woo the Tory party membership. I hope that will be insufficient to restore the Tories as an electoral force.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:00 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:24 am

Badenoch - We need to take the burden off business then they will pay their staff more. They will give better maternity rights.

No they won't. And she knows they won't. A few businesses might if they have the good fortune to be run by an actual human being, but such businesses are pretty unusual and generally fairly modest in scale. Mostly, business as a whole has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do anything that's beneficial for the employee. Regulations are won through the blood, sweat and tears of obviously egregious worker exploitation.

Fuck her and whichever Tufton Strett cunt is handing out her talking points.


Ultimately, she's nasty and ambitious enough to woo the Tory party membership. I hope that will be insufficient to restore the Tories as an electoral force.

Well some would, quite a number of businesses would actually. But it's blood tricky if you're competing against people/businesses who look to underpay because instantly you're under huge pressure on your price points, so a lot of what regulation is about is protecting those businesses being run as you'd want them to be run (or more like you'd want them to be run)

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:06 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:00 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:24 am

No they won't. And she knows they won't. A few businesses might if they have the good fortune to be run by an actual human being, but such businesses are pretty unusual and generally fairly modest in scale. Mostly, business as a whole has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do anything that's beneficial for the employee. Regulations are won through the blood, sweat and tears of obviously egregious worker exploitation.

Fuck her and whichever Tufton Strett cunt is handing out her talking points.


Ultimately, she's nasty and ambitious enough to woo the Tory party membership. I hope that will be insufficient to restore the Tories as an electoral force.

Well some would, quite a number of businesses would actually. But it's blood tricky if you're competing against people/businesses who look to underpay because instantly you're under huge pressure on your price points, so a lot of what regulation is about is protecting those businesses being run as you'd want them to be run (or more like you'd want them to be run)

Mrs PB works for a firm in an industry heavily dominated by graduate women 25-45. There is absolutely a bidding war between firms on mat leave. Given that a majority of grads are women its fair to say there is an increasing free market on this stuff, of course doesn’t particularly help people at small firms and non grads

Lobby wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:02 am

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

The funniest part of that article is the calls for Johnson to be interviewed by someone else, as if Johnson would agree to be grilled by a less friendly journalist, or one who might refuse to send him the questions before hand 'by accident'.

dpedin wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:05 am

Lobby wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:02 am

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

The funniest part of that article is the calls for Johnson to be interviewed by someone else, as if Johnson would agree to be grilled by a less friendly journalist, or one who might refuse to send him the questions before hand 'by accident'.

He would shite his pants if the BBC asked Victoria Derbyshire to step in at the last minute! LK is desperately bad and needs to go.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:36 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

Selected Cc instead of Bcc

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

epwc wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:44 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:36 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

Selected Cc instead of Bcc

The most plausible explanation

weegie01 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:37 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:38 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dApp_Other

Dear oh dear. Laura K caught red handed, she needs to be fired yesterday.

What am I missing? According to that article she made a mistake that would have undermined the integrity of the interview so pulled out. If she'd kept quiet and done it anyway then that would have been a story.