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- tabascoboy
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This is it, the panic we've been intending for has set in!
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Just a wonderful time to be a NZ cricket supporter.
Respected around the world for the skill we play with but also the way we play the game.
Competitive in all 3 formats.
Genuine world class players.
Just need to ride this as long as we can.
Respected around the world for the skill we play with but also the way we play the game.
Competitive in all 3 formats.
Genuine world class players.
Just need to ride this as long as we can.
Nasser had a great rant yesterday where he essentially said the same thing as me - I mean, it was pretty obvious, not claiming any great insight, but it was wonderful to see someone with some reach actually getting angry about it.
Dobell wrote an excellent piece, too: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... ak-1266370
Dobell wrote an excellent piece, too: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... ak-1266370
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Thanks for thatJM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:50 pm Nasser had a great rant yesterday where he essentially said the same thing as me - I mean, it was pretty obvious, not claiming any great insight, but it was wonderful to see someone with some reach actually getting angry about it.
Dobell wrote an excellent piece, too: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... ak-1266370

I dropped in to ask if we were going to get the customary article about how England doesn't play enough, of the long format, & focuses on the short format game; & I guess I got my answer !
Is it getting to the point now, where, young players who are in the mix; are going to self-select for the sexy, & financially lucrative short formats; & will only be dragged, kicking & screaming into the test side ?
We're past that point already I think. Test cricket does mean decent money for these guys if they're not good enough for anything beyond domestic franchise cricket.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:42 pmThanks for thatJM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:50 pm Nasser had a great rant yesterday where he essentially said the same thing as me - I mean, it was pretty obvious, not claiming any great insight, but it was wonderful to see someone with some reach actually getting angry about it.
Dobell wrote an excellent piece, too: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... ak-1266370![]()
I dropped in to ask if we were going to get the customary article about how England doesn't play enough, of the long format, & focuses on the short format game; & I guess I got my answer !
Is it getting to the point now, where, young players who are in the mix; are going to self-select for the sexy, & financially lucrative short formats; & will only be dragged, kicking & screaming into the test side ?
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Not convinced there have been many poorer England batting lineups than the ones we've put out over the last year or so. Root the only player of any quality there and if he fails we're stuffed.
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How much of this kind of batting collapse is down to coaching or player application?
I thought Vaughan was correct when he said that batters don't need to be technically perfect. But they do have to be able to modify their game depending on conditions. He also mentioned that the best example of that was Ross Taylors struggles at the start of his innings. All at sea, couldn't pick the line, the movement, the pace out of the hand or off the pitch. But he used his experience to modify what he was doing and change the way he played.
Why can't English batters do this - or why do they at the very least struggle to do this? And I don't know if the lack of test experience covers them that well - surely during the domestic season they are required to modify their batting just as much? Has the attack attack attack mindset messed up the player's minds?
Don't get me wrong - I love a good English batting collapse - but surely they have enough data to figure out a way of limiting it?
I thought Vaughan was correct when he said that batters don't need to be technically perfect. But they do have to be able to modify their game depending on conditions. He also mentioned that the best example of that was Ross Taylors struggles at the start of his innings. All at sea, couldn't pick the line, the movement, the pace out of the hand or off the pitch. But he used his experience to modify what he was doing and change the way he played.
Why can't English batters do this - or why do they at the very least struggle to do this? And I don't know if the lack of test experience covers them that well - surely during the domestic season they are required to modify their batting just as much? Has the attack attack attack mindset messed up the player's minds?
Don't get me wrong - I love a good English batting collapse - but surely they have enough data to figure out a way of limiting it?
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Clear lack of SaffasPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:38 am Not convinced there have been many poorer England batting lineups than the ones we've put out over the last year or so. Root the only player of any quality there and if he fails we're stuffed.

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Protease batting and struggling in the opening session
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44/3 @ lunch. Time for Verreynne to stand up.
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125/4 @ tea.
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West Indies knocked over for 149 after Mulder join the party.
Put into perspective de Kock and Edgar's batting effort.
Put into perspective de Kock and Edgar's batting effort.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/chea ... ll-1267175"A keg ball is when you buy a round of drinks for the team. We called a couple this game. I called one the first ball of this game, so unlucky me, but it's good for the team," Mulder explained. "It brings a little bit of spirit. When you feel your x-factor coming through and your instinct tells you there's going to be a wicket, or something is going to happen, that's when you call a keg ball. There were three or four in this innings and a couple in the last innings."
Olly Stone out for the season with a stress fracture (again). Sadly I think that's it for his chances of a real international career. A real shame, especially given how he showed his worth by out bowling Wood in the last Test. Have to hope Archer comes back fine and Wood stays fit, and that Silverwood picks a fucking spinner to give these guys a chance.
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Wood stays fit?! What are the odds of that for more than two consecutive tests?JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:13 am Olly Stone out for the season with a stress fracture (again). Sadly I think that's it for his chances of a real international career. A real shame, especially given how he showed his worth by out bowling Wood in the last Test. Have to hope Archer comes back fine and Wood stays fit, and that Silverwood picks a fucking spinner to give these guys a chance.
I did say hope...ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:17 amWood stays fit?! What are the odds of that for more than two consecutive tests?JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:13 am Olly Stone out for the season with a stress fracture (again). Sadly I think that's it for his chances of a real international career. A real shame, especially given how he showed his worth by out bowling Wood in the last Test. Have to hope Archer comes back fine and Wood stays fit, and that Silverwood picks a fucking spinner to give these guys a chance.
South Africa doing their best to let the Windies in:
59 for six in the second innings.
Mind you, they are 208 ahead, and the wicket doesn't look as flat as the commentators are claiming, so I don't think the game belongs to the Windies just yet.
59 for six in the second innings.
Mind you, they are 208 ahead, and the wicket doesn't look as flat as the commentators are claiming, so I don't think the game belongs to the Windies just yet.
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Look lekker now.
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