Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[handyman]

Why is Willemse so kak at kicking for post oom, was he always this kak? I could kick those he missed and I was a flanker.

Some times I wonder at all the kak 10's do before they kick. 2 steps back, 3 steps sideways, look up and down 20 times. As a laaitie I use to place the ball in the grass, walk straight back a few steps, body in the direction I wanted to kick it and kick the damn thing. I swear it's all this crabbing sideways and having to turn the hips at the last moment that causes them to hook it.

Kyk, as die vrystaters begin dink hul weet beter...

[OomStruisbaai]

Sards biggest challenge is staying in the Republic of Stormers and supporting the Sharks.

He is part of the Cape Crusaders community

I love the Cape. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else. We have a strong family and friend structure here and the kids love their schools and the friends they have cultivated. Most going back 6 or 7 years. Where else do you get to freeze your balls off in winter, have the most sensational spring, a huge range of activities to do in the summer months, and very pleasant autumn's. Sport is very competitive. Which is awesome.

You only need to travel out of our Republic to appreciate coming back.

[Sards]

Sards biggest challenge is staying in the Republic of Stormers and supporting the Sharks.

He is part of the Cape Crusaders community

I love the Cape. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else. We have a strong family and friend structure here and the kids love their schools and the friends they have cultivated. Most going back 6 or 7 years. Where else do you get to freeze your balls off in winter, have the most sensational spring, a huge range of activities to do in the summer months, and very pleasant autumn's. Sport is very competitive. Which is awesome.

You only need to travel out of our Republic to appreciate coming back.

I know. And summer approaching is so welcome. Next month we are starting with the Baths in Citrusdal. Just taking some insurance on those warm spring waters. The following month we are booked at Die Dam for a fishing holiday. Again warm waters. Can't wait to start camping thereafter

[ia801310]

Interesting from the Press Conference that Kade Wolhuter is on the Bok radar.

[Sards]

Interesting from the Press Conference that Kade Wolhuter is on the Bok radar.

Really strange considering that Libbok has made a huge difference at the Stormers. Huge huge difference. I was very surprised by his performance last year. Super consistent once he got the nod. He should have been at the boks already. Kade....well thats another story of a youngster not taking the step up ..... from school.

[assfly]

You only need to travel out of our Republic to appreciate coming back.

The number of Saffas emigrating is staggering.

[OomStruisbaai]

Our season has changed meaning some Springboks will have to get a bit of a rest till our next test on 5 November against Ireland . Most Bokke play in Japan, so no rest for them. However Mapimpi, Amm, Willemse, Hendricks, Kitshoff, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Kolisi won't play URC until next year.

[assfly]

So where are the Boks after the RC and a year out from the world cup?

The negatives:

1. Our rolling maul from a lineout is not what it used to be. All three teams seemed to figure a way of stopping it legally, most of the time.
2. We have kept to our kicking game, but our chase has gone to shit. Especially when compared to the Lions series.
3. Our bomb squad looks more like a normal bench now. It doesn't have the same impact as it used to, especially now that Marx is playing so well for 60-70 minutes.
4. DDA seems the first pick for JN, despite his average form. We missed a great opportunity to give AE and Willemse a run in the 12 jersey.
5. Our depth at 10 is as deep as a puddle.
6. So many un-utilised players in the squad. What a waste of their time the last few weeks has been.

The positives:

1. Weise's performances at 8. Vermeulen is really going to have to play his socks off to get it back.
2. Match after match, Eben has been monumental. I hope he get's a well-earned rest in time for November.
3. Willemse just gets better season after season. I really hope we find a permanent jersey for him instead of shifting him between 10, 12, 15 and 23.
4. It's good to see some new faces in the 14 jersey, Kolbe is also going to have to play well before he gets it back.
5. Our win in Nelspruit was the best Bok performance since 2019.

We've got a tough tour coming up in November. But given the last few games, I'm not sure we can do much better than 2 win from 4. I'm more looking forward to the midweek games to see some of the younger lads given a run.

[OomStruisbaai]

I am looking forward to the Ireland and France tests. 3 out of 4 wins will be great.

The Rassie factor will lift the team.

[assfly]

I am looking forward to the Ireland and France tests. 3 out of 4 wins will be great.

The Rassie factor will lift the team.

Yes those will be crackers. The best two teams in the world that will be difficult to beat. We'll need Rassie to out-think them, as player on player they are much better than us.

[OomStruisbaai]

I am looking forward to the Ireland and France tests. 3 out of 4 wins will be great.

The Rassie factor will lift the team.

Yes those will be crackers. The best two teams in the world that will be difficult to beat. We'll need Rassie to out-think them, as player on player they are much better than us.

Not long ago we struggled to win away. This group have shown they can beat any team where ever when they defend well. Playing in the URC and having coaches coaching in the UK in the past is a big asset for us.

[Sards]

I am looking forward to the Ireland and France tests. 3 out of 4 wins will be great.

The Rassie factor will lift the team.

Yes those will be crackers. The best two teams in the world that will be difficult to beat. We'll need Rassie to out-think them, as player on player they are much better than us.

Not long ago we struggled to win away. This group have shown they can beat any team where ever when they defend well. Playing in the URC and having coaches coaching in the UK in the past is a big asset for us.

This past rugby championship is not the measure of the Springboks other than against New Zealand , who lost a series to Ireland. And still won the RC. You cannot compare Northern sides with what we came second best in. The NH tour is the big test.

We get too carried away over our self worth.

[Chilli]

So where are the Boks after the RC and a year out from the world cup?

The negatives:

1. Our rolling maul from a lineout is not what it used to be. All three teams seemed to figure a way of stopping it legally, most of the time.
2. We have kept to our kicking game, but our chase has gone to shit. Especially when compared to the Lions series.
3. Our bomb squad looks more like a normal bench now. It doesn't have the same impact as it used to, especially now that Marx is playing so well for 60-70 minutes.
4. DDA seems the first pick for JN, despite his average form. We missed a great opportunity to give AE and Willemse a run in the 12 jersey.
5. Our depth at 10 is as deep as a puddle.
6. So many un-utilised players in the squad. What a waste of their time the last few weeks has been.

The positives:

1. Weise's performances at 8. Vermeulen is really going to have to play his socks off to get it back.
2. Match after match, Eben has been monumental. I hope he get's a well-earned rest in time for November.
3. Willemse just gets better season after season. I really hope we find a permanent jersey for him instead of shifting him between 10, 12, 15 and 23.
4. It's good to see some new faces in the 14 jersey, Kolbe is also going to have to play well before he gets it back.
5. Our win in Nelspruit was the best Bok performance since 2019.

We've got a tough tour coming up in November. But given the last few games, I'm not sure we can do much better than 2 win from 4. I'm more looking forward to the midweek games to see some of the younger lads given a run.

Dweba was a terrible choice as back up hooker. After Marx, Bongi and the Bulls hooker (Grobelaar?) the hooker cupboard is pretty empty.

DDA was terrible. He lacks basic passing skills. And needs to up.his thinking skills.

We have some AMAZING players. They just need to be coached and given a decent game plan.

[Sards]

Rassie and Nienaber are tag teaming it. Rassie pulling the strings. Don't get the results, Rassie is back as the savior.

Nienaber is very unpopular.

We have outstanding talent. But somehow Nienaber is so set on his selections he is not making any contingency in certain positions. It took a huge public outcry and the loss of the RC for Nienaber to bomb financing Dweba at the Springboks. Then Marx starts and things change. He refuses to bring in flyhalves. Still sits with deadwood in the backs . He doesn't give time to other players in the squad. It's like he doesn't want to be proven wrong. And all this time he is learning from the lessons.
What you saw last game is what you are going to get at the RWC. All about the forwards. They are doing the work and getting the tries. I have tried to be patient with De Allende because he is a Millies old boy and does go to the school to motivate the kids...but seriously......Duh.......I don't think I can take anymore .
There is always an article on social media talking him up and highlighting his work.....
I laughed at one poster on an article about De Allende's potent leg drive. Poster said thats why he doesn't have arms to pass the ball. Because he has an awesome leg drive.

[Chilli]

Rassie and Nienaber are tag teaming it. Rassie pulling the strings. Don't get the results, Rassie is back as the savior.

Nienaber is very unpopular.

We have outstanding talent. But somehow Nienaber is so set on his selections he is not making any contingency in certain positions. It took a huge public outcry and the loss of the RC for Nienaber to bomb financing Dweba at the Springboks. Then Marx starts and things change. He refuses to bring in flyhalves. Still sits with deadwood in the backs . He doesn't give time to other players in the squad. It's like he doesn't want to be proven wrong. And all this time he is learning from the lessons.
What you saw last game is what you are going to get at the RWC. All about the forwards. They are doing the work and getting the tries. I have tried to be patient with De Allende because he is a Millies old boy and does go to the school to motivate the kids...but seriously......Duh.......I don't think I can take anymore .
There is always an article on social media talking him up and highlighting his work.....
I laughed at one poster on an article about De Allende's potent leg drive. Poster said thats why he doesn't have arms to pass the ball. Because he has an awesome leg drive.

Nienaber is just a puppet. Rassie still has huge influence over the squad, team and tactics.

[boere wors]

"We trust those guys and know what they have done for us"... is nienabers & rassies mantra. I have never seen a coaching team so reluctant to change like those two. It is getting absurd. If it wasnt for injuries, we would have seen Bongi starting every match, duane at 8 with kolbe on the wing and Pollard at 10. I said it before and say it again, we are not going anywhere with the 2019 guys in 2023.

[FalseBayFC]

"We trust those guys and know what they have done for us"... is nienabers & rassies mantra. I have never seen a coaching team so reluctant to change like those two. It is getting absurd. If it wasnt for injuries, we would have seen Bongi starting every match, duane at 8 with kolbe on the wing and Pollard at 10. I said it before and say it again, we are not going anywhere with the 2019 guys in 2023.

Spot on! Its like they're the leaders of a cult and expect everyone to have faith in their divine vision. I'm not so much worried about their selection policies as their single minded adherence to a very narrow game plan. It leaves too much in the hands of the referee and opposition.

[boere wors]

Spot on! Its like they're the leaders of a cult and expect everyone to have faith in their divine vision. I'm not so much worried about their selection policies as their single minded adherence to a very narrow game plan. It leaves too much in the hands of the referee and opposition.

Ja, both. The game plan is dull and further let down by selections. Rejuvinating the squad would give you the opportunity to evolve the game plan. Not happening, so we are stuck with both. The game plan and the old farts.

[average joe]

Call me stupid or whatever, I don't see what you guys are seeing. Rassie and Nienaber are some of the few coaches that actually interact with the supporters, take advise and listen. They listened about Dweba/Marx and did something. Jake the snake would have told you guys to go fetch him a beer.

No one was complaining about die Ellende till recently. it's an international thing to have one crashballer in the centres. You hardly notice his short comings when Am is there. Problem is when you have two of the same types playing side by side in the centres.

[OomStruisbaai]

I,d like to see Willemse in 12, Pollard 10 and Gelant or Willie in 15. Shift Ellende to 13 till Am is back. But then they need possession to produce magic for the wings not Hendricks and Faf vokken kicking 90%

[Sards]

I,d like to see Willemse in 12, Pollard 10 and Gelant or Willie in 15. Shift Ellende to 13 till Am is back. But then they need possession to produce magic for the wings not Hendricks and Faf vokken kicking 90%

Your obsession with Hendricks.
Dude....Herschel sucks 1000 year old Chinese eggs.
Hendricks was the only backline player that brought any respectability to the backline when Willemse was at 10. 2 awesome tries. The rest were scored by the forwards. That means our backline still can't score tries for shit. If it's not happening in the forwards it's happening around the forwards. The backline is just there to cover on defense.

Why oh why don't they get Libbok in......a proper flyhalf that passes and kicks effectively


It's a no brainer

[OomStruisbaai]

I,d like to see Willemse in 12, Pollard 10 and Gelant or Willie in 15. Shift Ellende to 13 till Am is back. But then they need possession to produce magic for the wings not Hendricks and Faf vokken kicking 90%

Your obsession with Hendricks.
Dude....Herschel sucks 1000 year old Chinese eggs.
Hendricks was the only backline player that brought any respectability to the backline when Willemse was at 10. 2 awesome tries. The rest were scored by the forwards. That means our backline still can't score tries for shit. If it's not happening in the forwards it's happening around the forwards. The backline is just there to cover on defense.

Why oh why don't they get Libbok in......a proper flyhalf that passes and kicks effectively


It's a no brainer

I have no obsession with the poor man's White, it's the kicking ,the system, the gameplan.

[Sards]

I,d like to see Willemse in 12, Pollard 10 and Gelant or Willie in 15. Shift Ellende to 13 till Am is back. But then they need possession to produce magic for the wings not Hendricks and Faf vokken kicking 90%

Your obsession with Hendricks.
Dude....Herschel sucks 1000 year old Chinese eggs.
Hendricks was the only backline player that brought any respectability to the backline when Willemse was at 10. 2 awesome tries. The rest were scored by the forwards. That means our backline still can't score tries for shit. If it's not happening in the forwards it's happening around the forwards. The backline is just there to cover on defense.

Why oh why don't they get Libbok in......a proper flyhalf that passes and kicks effectively


It's a no brainer

I have no obsession with the poor man's White, it's the kicking ,the system, the gameplan.

There you go. In this side if you don't play a certain way and do things their way you aren't in.
Did you see Pollard at a rugby match in the UK. I bet you he is so glad to get away from that toxic environment. It must be soul destroying to have to deal with the fallout of having to play a certain way

[boere wors]

Call me stupid or whatever, I don't see what you guys are seeing. Rassie and Nienaber are some of the few coaches that actually interact with the supporters, take advise and listen. They listened about Dweba/Marx and did something. Jake the snake would have told you guys to go fetch him a beer.

No one was complaining about die Ellende till recently. it's an international thing to have one crashballer in the centres. You hardly notice his short comings when Am is there. Problem is when you have two of the same types playing side by side in the centres.

Dweba is the perfect example of what is wrong. Talented player. He came in cold into the starting lineup, having not played much rugby before the test series, only to maintain the whole coaches idea of the bomb squad. Had to take over from injured bongi, as expected fucked up, as it was never a fair chance and was subsequently dropped. I say again, if it wasn't for injuries, we would not have seen any changes in the lineup over the past three month. Think of Pollard -> Willemse and Kolbe -> Arendse - Moodie. Guys like Duane or PSdT are woefully out of form, yet walk straight into the starting lineup keeping in form players out of the squad. Our locks play every game, week in week out, but what if one of them goes down? Who is the backup? No one was tried at test level. List goes on. You see it now?

[average joe]

Dweba is a shit example actually, he played for Bordeaux last year. They ended 4th on the Top 14 log and he was considered one of their standout players.
It was expected in 2021 that the Boks cap him before they lose him. He was identified as the next in line after Bongi and Marx so naturally when Bongi got injured he was called on.

You complain about players not getting game time yet Nienaber has given numerus players a chance. We lost a game against Wales because of it and you probably complained about that as well.

[boere wors]

Dweba is a shit example actually, he played for Bordeaux last year. They ended 4th on the Top 14 log and he was considered one of their standout players.
It was expected in 2021 that the Boks cap him before they lose him. He was identified as the next in line after Bongi and Marx so naturally when Bongi got injured he was called on.

You complain about players not getting game time yet Nienaber has given numerus players a chance. We lost a game against Wales because of it and you probably complained about that as well.

Did you actually try to understand what I had written?

[average joe]

No I didn't, because your first point on Dweba was a whole lot of nonsense so I felt it futile to even try.

[boere wors]

No I didn't, because your first point on Dweba was a whole lot of nonsense so I felt it futile to even try.

what was nonsense, care to explain?

[average joe]

He came in cold into the starting lineup, having not played much rugby before the test series,

[boere wors]

He came in cold into the starting lineup, having not played much rugby before the test series,

Get your facts straight. How many games did he play this year for Bègles?

[average joe]

This year? Probably two or three games. What's your point?

[Sards]

Dweba was fast tracked into the boks . I suspect it was part of his salary negotiations to receive a chunk from SARU as a Springbok. Remember SARU is administering the Stormers. He leapfrogged many deserving players and one could say it was for the " quotas :....but it was too sudden for that. I was dissapointed as hell in his performance. Don't want to see him back at the Springboks.

[average joe]

Dweba is project player that came through the ranks.

SA Schools 2013
SA U20 2014 - 2015
Springboks 2021

Hardly fast tracked. Sorry for bursting your Stormers biased conspiracy theory bubble but they had their eyes on him for a while and you're bound to see him again.

[boere wors]

Dweba is project player that came through the ranks.

SA Schools 2013
SA U20 2014 - 2015
Springboks 2021

Hardly fast tracked. Sorry for bursting your Stormers biased conspiracy theory bubble but they had their eyes on him for a while and you're bound to see him again.

You are missing the point, it is not so hard to understand, boet. He maybe wasnt fast tracked into the boks. But, he started 2 games this year for Bordeaux, was 3rd choice hooker behind 2 french guys. He was fast tracked into the starting line up against the All Blacks. With almost no games this year, he was bound to fail, starting against NZ. His Springbok career is probably damaged for good by Nienabers ignorance.

[OomStruisbaai]

Dweba is project player that came through the ranks.

SA Schools 2013
SA U20 2014 - 2015
Springboks 2021

Hardly fast tracked. Sorry for bursting your Stormers biased conspiracy theory bubble but they had their eyes on him for a while and you're bound to see him again.

You are missing the point, it is not so hard to understand, boet. He maybe wasnt fast tracked into the boks. But, he started 2 games this year for Bordeaux, was 3rd choice hooker behind 2 french guys. He was fast tracked into the starting line up against the All Blacks. With almost no games this year, he was bound to fail, starting against NZ. His Springbok career is probably damaged for good by Nienabers ignorance.

I am going to mark this one.

Remember the player Sards want in the Bok jersey, Manie Libbok? Where he come from?

[average joe]

Dweba is project player that came through the ranks.

SA Schools 2013
SA U20 2014 - 2015
Springboks 2021

Hardly fast tracked. Sorry for bursting your Stormers biased conspiracy theory bubble but they had their eyes on him for a while and you're bound to see him again.

You are missing the point, it is not so hard to understand, boet. He maybe wasnt fast tracked into the boks. But, he started 2 games this year for Bordeaux, was 3rd choice hooker behind 2 french guys. He was fast tracked into the starting line up against the All Blacks. With almost no games this year, he was bound to fail, starting against NZ. His Springbok career is probably damaged for good by Nienabers ignorance.

Who would have picked instead of him?

[average joe]

BTW the Top 14 season starts in Sept and ends in June.
Your Euro teams have huge squads due to over lapping competitions.
Bordeaux also competed in the Champions Cup Dec to June

[boere wors]

Dweba is project player that came through the ranks.

SA Schools 2013
SA U20 2014 - 2015
Springboks 2021

Hardly fast tracked. Sorry for bursting your Stormers biased conspiracy theory bubble but they had their eyes on him for a while and you're bound to see him again.

You are missing the point, it is not so hard to understand, boet. He maybe wasnt fast tracked into the boks. But, he started 2 games this year for Bordeaux, was 3rd choice hooker behind 2 french guys. He was fast tracked into the starting line up against the All Blacks. With almost no games this year, he was bound to fail, starting against NZ. His Springbok career is probably damaged for good by Nienabers ignorance.

Who would have picked instead of him?

Grobbelaar, obviously, as he was the standout hooker of the URC and has been with the boks the year before. So has Dweba and the point is merely, whoever they would have picked, that player should never have started a test match against the ABs. That was Marx's job with the backup hooker only being introduced later in the game if necessary. It is the perfect example of what is wrong, we have 2 hookers, and after that nothing as nobody is slowly given game time and being introduced behind those two at test level. Applys for other positions as well, locks, flyhalf, fullback, openside, inside centre...

[average joe]

You are missing the point, it is not so hard to understand, boet. He maybe wasnt fast tracked into the boks. But, he started 2 games this year for Bordeaux, was 3rd choice hooker behind 2 french guys. He was fast tracked into the starting line up against the All Blacks. With almost no games this year, he was bound to fail, starting against NZ. His Springbok career is probably damaged for good by Nienabers ignorance.

Who would have picked instead of him?

Grobbelaar, obviously, as he was the standout hooker of the URC and has been with the boks the year before. So has Dweba and the point is merely, whoever they would have picked, that player should never have started a test match against the ABs. That was Marx's job with the backup hooker only being introduced later in the game if necessary. It is the perfect example of what is wrong, we have 2 hookers, and after that nothing as nobody is slowly given game time and being introduced behind those two at test level. Applys for other positions as well, locks, flyhalf, fullback, openside, inside centre...

So you would have brought in a player from outside and picked him ahead of someone already in camp? I'm with you on him not starting against the AB's. Marx should have started. He's the best we have and should start every game. That would mean no one ells gets a start though and we're back to you complaining that we only have two hookers with enough experience. How many other hookers do you want to cap, how many do we need? How big do you want the squad to be? How many games are there to give every player enough game time?

Fact is Springbok games are few and far between. You only have so many games to give players game time and there's also a matter of continuity, and also winning. If you just said Dweba is a shit player according to your opinion I could perhaps have let it fly. But his performances for Bordeaux says otherwise.

[boere wors]

Who would have picked instead of him?

Grobbelaar, obviously, as he was the standout hooker of the URC and has been with the boks the year before. So has Dweba and the point is merely, whoever they would have picked, that player should never have started a test match against the ABs. That was Marx's job with the backup hooker only being introduced later in the game if necessary. It is the perfect example of what is wrong, we have 2 hookers, and after that nothing as nobody is slowly given game time and being introduced behind those two at test level. Applys for other positions as well, locks, flyhalf, fullback, openside, inside centre...

So you would have brought in a player from outside and picked him ahead of someone already in camp? I'm with you on him not starting against the AB's. Marx should have started. He's the best we have and should start every game. That would mean no one ells gets a start though and we're back to you complaining that we only have two hookers with enough experience. How many other hookers do you want to cap, how many do we need? How big do you want the squad to be? How many games are there to give every player enough game time?

Fact is Springbok games are few and far between. You only have so many games to give players game time and there's also a matter of continuity, and also winning. If you just said Dweba is a shit player according to your opinion I could perhaps have let it fly. But his performances for Bordeaux says otherwise.

i give up, you are too dumb