Re: The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 am
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Is this a podcast run by blind people orJock42 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:27 pmThe thistle podcast guys have him as the form 9 atmKingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:23 pmFair enough - it's excellent to have options.
I know we've said it before on this and the old forum, but it's so great to be discussing who has been left out rather than who we've brought in to make up the numbers. Changed days from even only a few years ago.
I watched Quins Irish and thought Steele was okay.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 amIs this a podcast run by blind people orJock42 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:27 pmThe thistle podcast guys have him as the form 9 atmKingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:23 pm
Fair enough - it's excellent to have options.
I know we've said it before on this and the old forum, but it's so great to be discussing who has been left out rather than who we've brought in to make up the numbers. Changed days from even only a few years ago.
Steele's not played that much recently and when he did, his first half was chock full of absolute howlers that really fucked us. Much improved in the second half, but jesus christ
He is the back up 10 who has been in the matchday squad for every game bar 1 since he arrived.
Does that mean he's better or worse than Price and Pyrgos?JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:49 amIs this a podcast run by blind people orJock42 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:27 pmThe thistle podcast guys have him as the form 9 atmKingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:23 pm
Fair enough - it's excellent to have options.
I know we've said it before on this and the old forum, but it's so great to be discussing who has been left out rather than who we've brought in to make up the numbers. Changed days from even only a few years ago.
Steele's not played that much recently and when he did, his first half was chock full of absolute howlers that really fucked us. Much improved in the second half, but jesus christ
SHC's been steady for Exeter which is better than "playing okay but shits the bed too often", IMO. But okay, if your 9 stocks are that bad at the moment I can see why people are enthusiastic about him - I just remember his 4 shockers in that first half!I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 amI watched Quins Irish and thought Steele was okay.
You have to remember JM we're comparing him not with other international 9s but SHC and Henry Pyrgos.
As ever with Scottish rugby, the drop off can be severe only one or two players into the depth chart.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:19 pmSHC's been steady for Exeter which is better than "playing okay but shits the bed too often", IMO. But okay, if your 9 stocks are that bad at the moment I can see why people are enthusiastic about him - I just remember his 4 shockers in that first half!I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 amI watched Quins Irish and thought Steele was okay.
You have to remember JM we're comparing him not with other international 9s but SHC and Henry Pyrgos.
I tend to agree, and I say that as a big fan of his.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:48 pmAs ever with Scottish rugby, the drop off can be severe only one or two players into the depth chart.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:19 pmSHC's been steady for Exeter which is better than "playing okay but shits the bed too often", IMO. But okay, if your 9 stocks are that bad at the moment I can see why people are enthusiastic about him - I just remember his 4 shockers in that first half!I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:58 am
I watched Quins Irish and thought Steele was okay.
You have to remember JM we're comparing him not with other international 9s but SHC and Henry Pyrgos.
Price is a good international quality 9, Horne is alright but wouldn't bench for any other Tier 1 nation (sorry but it's true), everyone else is average nothing more (and sometimes substantially less).
On the plus side, the best U20 9 in the UK (in my opinion) plays for Glasgow, so there's more depth coming.
So am I! I thought he was 20/21.C T wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:58 pmI tend to agree, and I say that as a big fan of his.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:48 pmAs ever with Scottish rugby, the drop off can be severe only one or two players into the depth chart.
Price is a good international quality 9, Horne is alright but wouldn't bench for any other Tier 1 nation (sorry but it's true), everyone else is average nothing more (and sometimes substantially less).
On the plus side, the best U20 9 in the UK (in my opinion) plays for Glasgow, so there's more depth coming.
His support play is great, always seems to be there when someone to offload too is needed but there just too many holes in his game the really gets exposed at international level.
I'm also a bit shocked to see he's 25, I would have hoped he would have developed more by now.
I think its his game management, rather than anything else , The trouble is the amount of game time he gets , If Price is fit he tends to be the number one choice for Glasgow, so Horne Jnr is relegated to the last 10/15 minutes much like for Scotland.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:34 pm What are the holes in Hornito’s game? Genuine question. Whenever I’ve seen him play (for Glasgow and his brief appearances for Scotland) he seems to be all-action with snappy service from
the breakdown and a real eye for a break. Is it his defence? His box kicking?
That's interesting. I've not seen SHC play this season but I've been impressed by Price recently. He seems to have matured and developed the game management aspect that he was maybe lacking before.
I am convinced that is part of the reason SHC dropped off. He spent a lot of the 2015/16 season not playing much with Scotland when at 22 he needed to be playing nearly every week.Dogbert wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:19 pmI think its his game management, rather than anything else , The trouble is the amount of game time he gets , If Price is fit he tends to be the number one choice for Glasgow, so Horne Jnr is relegated to the last 10/15 minutes much like for Scotland.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:34 pm What are the holes in Hornito’s game? Genuine question. Whenever I’ve seen him play (for Glasgow and his brief appearances for Scotland) he seems to be all-action with snappy service from
the breakdown and a real eye for a break. Is it his defence? His box kicking?
He also tends to be in the Scotland squad along with Price , so he doesn't get time to play for Glasgow , when Price is on international duties , and along with trying to get Dobie game time as well, it would probably be better if either Horne , or Price moved, if Horne want to play more regularly for a club
Really? I’ve thought Price has been a bit dull and slow of late.
I thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.Slick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:32 pmReally? I’ve thought Price has been a bit dull and slow of late.
Yes, to be fair, he did a great job with Thompson in the 2nd game.I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:54 pmI thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.
Same- was decent when he arrived on scene in 2017 but has been pretty mediocre since then (although 2020 was an improvement on the previous two years).I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:54 pmI thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.
Price is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:24 pmSame- was decent when he arrived on scene in 2017 but has been pretty mediocre since then (although 2020 was an improvement on the previous two years).I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:54 pmI thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.
This is probably about right. I think also that the really dynamic Price we remember was when he was coming on at the end of games and we were playing a very different style that really suited him - probably the same reason that Horne was getting such rave reviews at the time. In saying that I think he has gone off the boil a little lately.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 amPrice is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:24 pmSame- was decent when he arrived on scene in 2017 but has been pretty mediocre since then (although 2020 was an improvement on the previous two years).I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:54 pm
I thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.
Don't disagree with that at all: best 9 we have. Was just picking at the relative (hoped for) progression versus the reality.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 amPrice is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:24 pmSame- was decent when he arrived on scene in 2017 but has been pretty mediocre since then (although 2020 was an improvement on the previous two years).I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:54 pm
I thought he was quite good in the games Vs Edinburgh. Managed the last game well and guided Thompson through. Never really been sold on Price.
I also agree with this. With 9s there is a tendency to view any that doesn't play like Dupont as a bit rubbish. The reality is that generally a 9 playing slowly or box kicking every 5 minutes is following coaching instruction. I think more than any other position on the pitch they are impacted by coaching direction and style. A 9 that can follow that direction and execute well should be seen as an effective player.Caley_Red wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:30 amDon't disagree with that at all: best 9 we have. Was just picking at the relative (hoped for) progression versus the reality.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 amPrice is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.
Price does play best in tandem with Russell but he is at a point in his career when he should be much more consistent in his game management. He still too frequently gets into excited puppy mode.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 am Price is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.
This is the thing about his brain farts. People say, well every player has them, but he seems to have his at critical moments far too often, and they can be game turning.Soapy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:45 amPrice does play best in tandem with Russell but he is at a point in his career when he should be much more consistent in his game management. He still too frequently gets into excited puppy mode.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 am Price is one of these players who we don't appreciate when we have them but will miss badly when/if he is no longer available. He is a pretty solid performer and, apart from the odd obvious brainfart, has been reliable and a good 9. He comes alive when playing with his mate Finn and when together they really threaten oppo defences. He does struggle though when playing with a 10 who sits too deep. He is easily the best 9 we have at the moment. However high hopes for Dobbie and Shiel.
Witness the end of the Edinburgh game. With 5 mins to go, up on the scoreboard and pressing in the Ed 22, he had threw a needless, wild double miss pass into touch which commenced the march back into Glasgow's 22 and ultimately the Sau try. A composed, top-class 9 just doesn't make these sorts of error.
He should never have left. From an SRU/Glasgow perspective, I wonder if he’s ended up considerably cheaper than if they had recontracted him at Glasgow last time around. You’d think he might be.Begbie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:35 pm Bhatti on his way back to Glasgow next season...
https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/gl ... for-bhatti
Hadn’t even thought of that!KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:42 pm With the England squad announced this afternoon, I hope Toonie is on the phone to Fraser Dingwall as we speak
It's only got another 6.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:22 pm A gritty win from Edinburgh. Ref was a wee bit of a homer (the red was deserved though) but they dug in and got it done. As long as the season has another 11 games I’d expect Edinburgh to be okay. A solid 3rd place would be my prediction.
Is that confirmed? I thought with the Rainbow cup almost certainly dead in the water they would re-evaluate?Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:26 pmIt's only got another 6.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:22 pm A gritty win from Edinburgh. Ref was a wee bit of a homer (the red was deserved though) but they dug in and got it done. As long as the season has another 11 games I’d expect Edinburgh to be okay. A solid 3rd place would be my prediction.
Good win that. If we win the other game in hand vs Dragons we're right u with Connacht, Scarlets and Cardiff. Do better than one of them and we're fourth, which would get us the playoff for the format as it normally is.
Effectively the same but I thought a yellow. Italian was about on his kneesKingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:22 pm A gritty win from Edinburgh. Ref was a wee bit of a homer (the red was deserved though) but they dug in and got it done. As long as the season has another 11 games I’d expect Edinburgh to be okay. A solid 3rd place would be my prediction.
Decent enough interview with him in the Times today (I’ll post tomorrow) where he says he wanted to be an established player, playing well before he made a decision. I think that probably means a decent contract without the need to be EQ which seems fair enough really.
I haven’t had a drink this year either. I’d love to say that I felt SO much better for it, but I don’t feel that different TBH, aside from being crabbit and wanting a drink a lot. OK, my reflux symptoms are a fair bit better, which I guess is progress. I have also run 70k so far this month, though I was going to do that anyway (target for this year is 1000k).
Takes me about a month before I really start feeling much better and not so tired. In saying that, the smug feeling in the morning without a hangover is lovely.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:14 amI haven’t had a drink this year either. I’d love to say that I felt SO much better for it, but I don’t feel that different TBH, aside from being crabbit and wanting a drink a lot. OK, my reflux symptoms are a fair bit better, which I guess is progress. I have also run 70k so far this month, though I was going to do that anyway (target for this year is 1000k).
And to you, mate.