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handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:45 am

What happened to Bosch? We were told many, many times how the saaks were going to make him a Bok star.

injured

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:21 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:05 am

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:56 am

I would fire the saaks recruitment manager if that is the flyhalves in my squad.

I,d like to see them in 12 & 15.

Why

Vir my om te weet en vir jou om te raai.

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:21 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:05 am

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:56 am

I would fire the saaks recruitment manager if that is the flyhalves in my squad.

I,d like to see them in 12 & 15.

Why

These days players need to cover at least 2 positions.

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:11 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:21 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:05 am

I,d like to see them in 12 & 15.

Why

These days players need to cover at least 2 positions.

Most of them cover 15 too. There is a huge difference between Jack of all trades and master of none and a specialist 10. For 10 I prefer a specialist. They must at least be able to kick accurately at posts. Pass the ball. Something Jack of all trades can't seem to do. We have already seen that when a JOATs plays 10 the backline doesn't score tries. Only the forwards

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:37 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:11 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:21 am

Why

These days players need to cover at least 2 positions.

Most of them cover 15 too. There is a huge difference between Jack of all trades and master of none and a specialist 10. For 10 I prefer a specialist. They must at least be able to kick accurately at posts. Pass the ball. Something Jack of all trades can't seem to do. We have already seen that when a JOATs plays 10 the backline doesn't score tries. Only the forwards

Yeah boet, you must have missed all rugby the last decade. Almost every 10 can cover 10 and 12 or 15. Think Barrett, Beale, Farrell, Frans Steyn, Goosen, Lolesio among others.

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:00 pm

Yeah boet, you must have missed all rugby the last decade. Almost every 10 can cover 10 and 12 or 15. Think Barrett, Beale, Farrell, Frans Steyn, Goosen, Lolesio among others.

And none of them come close to Dan Carter.

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:37 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:00 pm

Yeah boet, you must have missed all rugby the last decade. Almost every 10 can cover 10 and 12 or 15. Think Barrett, Beale, Farrell, Frans Steyn, Goosen, Lolesio among others.

And none of them come close to Dan Carter.

Carter also played 10 and 12. Ai boet.

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:37 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:00 pm

Yeah boet, you must have missed all rugby the last decade. Almost every 10 can cover 10 and 12 or 15. Think Barrett, Beale, Farrell, Frans Steyn, Goosen, Lolesio among others.

And none of them come close to Dan Carter.

Carter also played 10 and 12. Ai boet.

Every 10 in the world can. Those others still don't come close to Carter . Maybe that's why. Focus on too much instead of doing 1 job properly

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:55 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:37 pm

And none of them come close to Dan Carter.

Carter also played 10 and 12. Ai boet.

Every 10 in the world can. Those others still don't come close to Carter . Maybe that's why. Focus on too much instead of doing 1 job properly

Not every player is an all time great. Point is, a player who only cover one position is a luxury.

The closest we have is morne Steyn

Sards wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:39 am The closest we have is morne Steyn

I agree that the Lions, Bulls and Stormers are far better at recruiting.

handyman wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:18 am

Sards wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 10:39 am The closest we have is morne Steyn

I agree that the Lions, Bulls and Stormers are far better at recruiting.

You need to get over your Sharks envy dude

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:55 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:37 pm

And none of them come close to Dan Carter.

Carter also played 10 and 12. Ai boet.

Every 10 in the world can. Those others still don't come close to Carter . Maybe that's why. Focus on too much instead of doing 1 job properly

Goosen's a fraud. A turkey and a pretender. He doesn't belong anywhere near that list. And Francois Steyn is a very average no.10.

Bok coaches satisfied with Stormers



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handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:00 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:37 pm

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:11 pm
These days players need to cover at least 2 positions.

Most of them cover 15 too. There is a huge difference between Jack of all trades and master of none and a specialist 10. For 10 I prefer a specialist. They must at least be able to kick accurately at posts. Pass the ball. Something Jack of all trades can't seem to do. We have already seen that when a JOATs plays 10 the backline doesn't score tries. Only the forwards

Yeah boet, you must have missed all rugby the last decade. Almost every 10 can cover 10 and 12 or 15. Think Barrett, Beale, Farrell, Frans Steyn, Goosen, Lolesio among others.

Let's put it in terms of players that Sards might have heard of:
Butch James 10/12
Percy Montgomery 10/ 12 / 15
Pat Lambie 10/12/15
Henri Honiball 10 / 12
Dick Muir 10 / 12
Gaffie Du Toit 10/ 11/15

The squads to be announced on Friday.

Roos in the Bok squad and almost guaranteed to start against England. Manie and Sashs in the A squad, playing this weekend.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:43 am The squads to be announced on Friday.

Roos in the Bok squad and almost guaranteed to start against England. Manie and Sashs in the A squad, playing this weekend.

Who's place is Roos going to take

Sards wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:05 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:43 am The squads to be announced on Friday.

Roos in the Bok squad and almost guaranteed to start against England. Manie and Sashs in the A squad, playing this weekend.

Who's place is Roos going to take

Wiese and Vermeulen plays for NH clubs and won't be available.

For all my concerns about Roos' temperament, I'll be glad to see him given a chance.

He'll have to be ready to be wound-up by the likes of Itoje.

assfly wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:36 am For all my concerns about Roos' temperament, I'll be glad to see him given a chance.

He'll have to be ready to be wound-up by the likes of Itoje.

I'd like to see him in tandem with Kwagga and Fourie. Maybe Italy first.

Thomas Tank to Bath

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:40 am Thomas Tank to Bath

The Bulls are in desperate need of a few good props. I wonder why Jake never bought him?

Chilli wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:39 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:40 am Thomas Tank to Bath

The Bulls are in desperate need of a few good props. I wonder why Jake never bought him?

He bought a better TH, Wilco Louw

Springbok squad:



Props: Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks), Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), Vincent Koch (unattached), Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), Ox Nche (Cell C Sharks), Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92)



Hookers: Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears), Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks)



Locks: Lood de Jager (Wild Knights), Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks), Jason Jenkins (Leinster), Salmaan Moerat, Marvin Orie (both DHL Stormers)



Loose forwards: Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz), Siya Kolisi (Cell C Sharks), Evan Roos (DHL Stormers), Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs), Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls), Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers)



Utility forwards: Deon Fourie (DHL Stormers), Franco Mostert (Honda Heat)



Scrumhalves: Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles), Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks), Cobus Reinach (Montpellier)



Flyhalves: Manie Libbok, Damian Willemse (both DHL Stormers)



Centres: Damian de Allende (Wild Knights), Andre Esterhuizen (Harlequins), Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles)



Outside backs: Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz), Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks), Sbu Nkosi (Vodacom Bulls)



Utility backs: Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls), Cheslin Kolbe (Toulon), Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu (DHL Stormers)



SA ‘A’ squad:



Forwards: Simphiwe Matanzima (Vodacom Bulls), Ntuthuko Mchunu (Cell C Sharks), Sazi Sandi (DHL Stormers), Mornay Smith (Vodacom Bulls), Jan-Hendrik Wessels (Vodacom Bulls), Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers), Andre-Hugo Venter (DHL Stormers), Ruan Nortje (Vodacom Bulls), Phepsi Buthelezi (Cell C Sharks), Sikhumbuzo Notshe (Cell C Sharks).



Backs: Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers), Sanele Nohamba (Emirates Lions), Grant Williams (Cell C Sharks), Johan Goosen (Vodacom Bulls), Gianni Lombard (Emirates Lions), Aphelele Fassi (Cell C Sharks), Cornal Hendricks (Vodacom Bulls), Suleiman Hartzenberg (DHL Stormers), Henco van Wyk (Emirates Lions).

Roos, Libbok and Sasha plus a Leinsterman Jenkins included in Bok squad

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 am Springbok squad:

OK, so I've just read on the Springbok official website that 9 players from the Springbok squad will drop to the SA A squad after the first test.
Very happy that Jason Jenkins is included. Always rated him and love having monster locks in our team. He's also only 26 years old.
Elrigh Louw injured I assume.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:54 am

SA ‘A’ squad:



Forwards: Simphiwe Matanzima (Vodacom Bulls), Ntuthuko Mchunu (Cell C Sharks), Sazi Sandi (DHL Stormers), Mornay Smith (Vodacom Bulls), Jan-Hendrik Wessels (Vodacom Bulls), Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers), Andre-Hugo Venter (DHL Stormers), Ruan Nortje (Vodacom Bulls), Phepsi Buthelezi (Cell C Sharks), Sikhumbuzo Notshe (Cell C Sharks).



Backs: Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers), Sanele Nohamba (Emirates Lions), Grant Williams (Cell C Sharks), Johan Goosen (Vodacom Bulls), Gianni Lombard (Emirates Lions), Aphelele Fassi (Cell C Sharks), Cornal Hendricks (Vodacom Bulls), Suleiman Hartzenberg (DHL Stormers), Henco van Wyk (Emirates Lions).

Vok me....Dweba , Herschel........ ....the poor A team

I thought Wiese wasn't available

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:35 am I thought Wiese wasn't available

Only for the England test.

boere wors wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:37 am

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:35 am I thought Wiese wasn't available

Only for the England test.

Sards struggle to understand.

boere wors wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:37 am

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:35 am I thought Wiese wasn't available

Only for the England test.

OK thanks

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:45 am

boere wors wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:37 am

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:35 am I thought Wiese wasn't available

Only for the England test.

OK thanks

That last weekend end of November falls outside the official international window. Hence the Boks will be without their French and English-based squad members. Dont know if the english clubs have released all England players, probably not. The japanese clubs have released their bok players for that test

Stormers by far the biggest producers of Springbok rugby players.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:03 pm Stormers by far the biggest producers of Springbok rugby players.

They are being funded by SARU , to top up the salaries, who are administrators of WPRU. I have made peace with this. I almost feel sorry for WP now. It's one thing to produce. Another to be able to afford it

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:07 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:03 pm Stormers by far the biggest producers of Springbok rugby players.

They are being funded by SARU , to top up the salaries, who are administrators of WPRU. I have made peace with this. I almost feel sorry for WP now. It's one thing to produce. Another to be able to afford it

You only got the repeated one liner. Money can't developed real rugby talent or rugby heart.

This "resting" of Vermeulen worries me.

We've already got Wiese in the 8 jersey, and Roos pushing hard, and Kwagga as capable backup. But the way Rassie speaks of him it's like he's being rested so he can just walk into the 8 jersey at next year's world cup.

More stressed about the centres. Three crowbars and no playmaker. To many much sameness

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:54 pm

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:07 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:03 pm Stormers by far the biggest producers of Springbok rugby players.

They are being funded by SARU , to top up the salaries, who are administrators of WPRU. I have made peace with this. I almost feel sorry for WP now. It's one thing to produce. Another to be able to afford it

You only got the repeated one liner. Money can't developed real rugby talent or rugby heart.

Dude. Herschel and Dweba shouldn't be there. Much mich better players available. And surprisingly Sacha got the nod ahead of Chris and Jordan on one game for the Stormers. Cmaan

Sards wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:55 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:54 pm

Sards wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:07 pm

They are being funded by SARU , to top up the salaries, who are administrators of WPRU. I have made peace with this. I almost feel sorry for WP now. It's one thing to produce. Another to be able to afford it

You only got the repeated one liner. Money can't developed real rugby talent or rugby heart.

Dude. Herschel and Dweba shouldn't be there. Much mich better players available. And surprisingly Sacha got the nod ahead of Chris and Jordan on one game for the Stormers. Cmaan

It must keep you awake at night that we are the urc champs.