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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 pm C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

geordie_6 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:05 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:03 pm C4 Reporting that one of the Orc missiles has landed in Poland, & killed two people.

NATO will have to respond strongly if this is true

Hopefully, it'll be proven to have been knocked off course by air defences or some shit like that. Otherwise, it doesn't end well...

geordie_6 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:24 pm Haven't the Russians been using some of the S-300 systems as surface to surface weapons?

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.

All those former Soviet eastern block countries seem to be doing great inside the E.U, having been invested in etc, yet British Unionists and English supremacists insist Wales (having been run from Westminster forever) will not be able to make it.

Not even the EU could help us (like it could those former Soviet Eastern Block nations).

So maybe being under Russian Control is awesome? Unlike westminster, you have a future outside. They invest in you, build you up.
Don't extract every last resource, human natural and mineral and send you all their oddballs and pensioners so you can never be free of them.

You are definately fucked forever in the U.K. Union, and have to stay in it forever....and that is just according to its supporters, British Unionists and English supremacist types.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.

All those former Soviet eastern block countries seem to be doing great inside the E.U, having been invested in etc, yet British Unionists and English supremacists insist Wales (having been run into the ground from Westminster, forever) will (according to them) not be able to make it.

Not even the EU could help us (like it could those former Soviet Eastern Block nations).

So maybe being under Russian Control is awesome? Unlike westminster, you have a future outside. They invest in you, build you up.
Don't extract every last resource, human natural and mineral and send you all their oddballs and pensioners so you can never be free of them.

You are definately fucked forever in the U.K. Union, and have to stay in it forever....and that is just according to its supporters, British Unionists and English supremacist types.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:44 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.

All those former Soviet eastern block countries seem to be doing great inside the E.U, having been invested in etc, yet British Unionists and English supremacists insist Wales (having been run into the ground from Westminster, forever) will (according to them) not be able to make it.

Not even the EU could help us (like it could those former Soviet Eastern Block nations).

So maybe being under Russian Control is awesome? Unlike westminster, you have a future outside. They invest in you, build you up.
Don't extract every last resource, human natural and mineral and send you all their oddballs and pensioners so you can never be free of them.

You are definately fucked forever in the U.K. Union, and have to stay in it forever....and that is just according to its supporters, British Unionists and English supremacist types.

How many of those ex Soviet Bloc countries have you actually visited?, i can assure you i have visited many, and they are far from the utopia you seem to think they are, Infrastructure, facilities are still miles behind their western counterparts.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.

All those former Soviet eastern block countries seem to be doing great inside the E.U, having been invested in etc, yet British Unionists and English supremacists insist Wales (having been run into the ground from Westminster, forever) will (according to them) not be able to make it.

Not even the EU could help us (like it could those former Soviet Eastern Block nations).

So maybe being under Russian Control is awesome? Unlike westminster, you have a future outside. They invest in you, build you up.
Don't extract every last resource, human natural and mineral and send you all their oddballs and pensioners so you can never be free of them.

You are definately fucked forever in the U.K. Union, and have to stay in it forever....and that is just according to its supporters, British Unionists and English supremacist types.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:48 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:57 pm My favourite memory of a former Soviet bloc country is the wedding we went to in Poland. It was in an old hunting palace. Directly across the gate from the palace, in the middle of idyllic countryside was a giant tower block of flats. Going in the gate of the palace, we were treated to the sight of an auld lad in y fronts having a good ole scratch on the roadside.

Yup. The rot is so deep it will take decades but you see progress. I was in some Polish craphole called Elblag and it was mostly decrepit with lots of Soviet monuments in the cemeteries but just stuck in the 70's. You know that vibe- all brown carpets and chipped paint iron framed beds. However with EU money huge motorways were being built to it from Gdansk and you could see improvemts but as noted initially the rot after Soviet rule is extremely deep. Imagine cleaning up Russia

MH17: Three guilty as court finds Russia-controlled group downed airliner

A Dutch court has found three men guilty of murder for shooting down a passenger jet over eastern Ukraine in 2014, killing 298 people. The court found that a Russian-made missile supplied from Russia and fired by an armed group under Russian control brought down flight MH17.

The men - two Russians and one Ukrainian - were found guilty in absentia and sentenced to life in jail. A third Russian was acquitted.

The missile attack was one of the most notorious war crimes in Ukraine before allegations of atrocities there became an almost daily reality.

Many of the victims' relatives believe if the world had reacted differently, and taken a tougher stance against Russia eight years ago, the invasion of Ukraine and the geopolitical instability that has followed could have been avoided.

The judges ruled that it was a deliberate action to bring down a plane, even though the three found guilty had intended to shoot down a military not a civilian aircraft.

Igor Girkin, the military leader of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, was convicted of deploying the missile and seeking Russian help
Sergei Dubinsky was found to have ordered and overseen the transport of the Buk missile launcher
Leonid Kharchenko was found to have overseen the Buk, acting on Dubinsky's instructions.
Oleg Pulatov was the only one of the four accused to have legal representation at the trial. The judges acquitted him, although they found he knew about the missile.

On 17 July 2014, 298 people, including 80 children and 15 crew, boarded Malaysia Airlines flight 17 to Kuala Lumpur at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport.

The plane was cruising at 33,000 feet over Ukraine. It was the early days of Russia's efforts to control parts of the country. At the time this was a relatively low-level conflict zone, but fighting had recently expanded into the air. In the preceding months a number of military planes had been shot down. In response, Ukraine closed the airspace at lower altitudes - up to 32,000 feet. But planes were still crossing the country.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was flying 1,000 feet above this restricted airspace.

At 13:20 GMT, it lost contact with air traffic control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63637625

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:06 pm I've wondered this seeing videos of soldiers with MANPADS, how do they identify a target? Assuming those cunts just aimed at something coming from the direction of 'the enemy'? But surely there's technology / protocol to identify military vs civilian and friend from foe, even if you've got a shoulder-launched weapon?

Calculon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:45 pm The Uzbek government has no plans to ty and restore the Aral, there is far too much money on cotton. Anyway, I lived on the banks of the Amu Darya and the locals have no concept of water conversation. They pump out as much water as they can with no thought of the consequences.TBF, although that area is worse than any part of Wales I've been too, Tashkent is lovely, much nicer than Cardiff. I also imagine somewhere like Lithuania won't compare too badly to Wales.

laurent wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:22 pm

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:06 pm I've wondered this seeing videos of soldiers with MANPADS, how do they identify a target? Assuming those cunts just aimed at something coming from the direction of 'the enemy'? But surely there's technology / protocol to identify military vs civilian and friend from foe, even if you've got a shoulder-launched weapon?

The Manpad type do not have the reach to hit civilian aircraft at cruising altitude .

Military aircraft have IFF but ukrainian manpads are so varied I doubt this would work. (Polish French US and English as far as I know) there is 1 incident of Blue on blue that is known

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:06 pm I've wondered this seeing videos of soldiers with MANPADS, how do they identify a target? Assuming those cunts just aimed at something coming from the direction of 'the enemy'? But surely there's technology / protocol to identify military vs civilian and friend from foe, even if you've got a shoulder-launched weapon?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:54 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:48 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:57 pm My favourite memory of a former Soviet bloc country is the wedding we went to in Poland. It was in an old hunting palace. Directly across the gate from the palace, in the middle of idyllic countryside was a giant tower block of flats. Going in the gate of the palace, we were treated to the sight of an auld lad in y fronts having a good ole scratch on the roadside.

Yup. The rot is so deep it will take decades but you see progress. I was in some Polish craphole called Elblag and it was mostly decrepit with lots of Soviet monuments in the cemeteries but just stuck in the 70's. You know that vibe- all brown carpets and chipped paint iron framed beds. However with EU money huge motorways were being built to it from Gdansk and you could see improvemts but as noted initially the rot after Soviet rule is extremely deep. Imagine cleaning up Russia

"decades", Ha !, try a century !!

The Communism experiment didn't just fail to keep up, it set about digging the hole deeper than ever before !

The only reason there aren't dozens of submarine reactors polluting Russia, is the charity, & expertise of the US & EU, putting them in cold storage; but that's small beans compared to ecological, biological, & chemical catastrophes that are scattered across the entire USSR.

How do you un-fuck the disaster that is the Aral Sea ?

If the fucking Orcs had had control of Wales; they'd have strip mined the valleys, & piled the spoil heaps so high, there'd have been twenty Aberfans, & no one in Moscow would have given a fuck.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:22 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:54 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:48 pm

Yup. The rot is so deep it will take decades but you see progress. I was in some Polish craphole called Elblag and it was mostly decrepit with lots of Soviet monuments in the cemeteries but just stuck in the 70's. You know that vibe- all brown carpets and chipped paint iron framed beds. However with EU money huge motorways were being built to it from Gdansk and you could see improvemts but as noted initially the rot after Soviet rule is extremely deep. Imagine cleaning up Russia

"decades", Ha !, try a century !!

The Communism experiment didn't just fail to keep up, it set about digging the hole deeper than ever before !

The only reason there aren't dozens of submarine reactors polluting Russia, is the charity, & expertise of the US & EU, putting them in cold storage; but that's small beans compared to ecological, biological, & chemical catastrophes that are scattered across the entire USSR.

How do you un-fuck the disaster that is the Aral Sea ?

If the fucking Orcs had had control of Wales; they'd have strip mined the valleys, & piled the spoil heaps so high, there'd have been twenty Aberfans, & no one in Moscow would have given a fuck.

Where do you even start with a place like Lake Karachay. An hour there gives you a lethal dose of radiation.

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:29 am

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:06 pm I've wondered this seeing videos of soldiers with MANPADS, how do they identify a target? Assuming those cunts just aimed at something coming from the direction of 'the enemy'? But surely there's technology / protocol to identify military vs civilian and friend from foe, even if you've got a shoulder-launched weapon?

I'm not an expert, but on one of the MANPAD vids I saw the soldiers were on the radio to command to get approval before they fired. Presumably someone up the line has an idea whether there are any friendly aircraft on missions in the area etc.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:26 am Source and veracity of this is as yet unverified

Calculon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:45 pm The Uzbek government has no plans to ty and restore the Aral, there is far too much money on cotton. Anyway, I lived on the banks of the Amu Darya and the locals have no concept of water conversation. They pump out as much water as they can with no thought of the consequences.TBF, although that area is worse than any part of Wales I've been too, Tashkent is lovely, much nicer than Cardiff. I also imagine somewhere like Lithuania won't compare too badly to Wales.