Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:53 am
He's not wrong....
Fiendishly clever of Hamas to goad the IDF into doubling or tripling the number of 'human shields' available in Rafah. Clearly they could teach D Trump a thing or three about 4D chess.Ymx wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:13 pm I do not understand why they have held back on Rafah for so long having gained control of the rest of the strip.
Obviously Hamas are trying to keep their human shields in place there.
Calculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:44 am No 4D chess required, just a mentality where anybody who dies is a "martyr" and thereby serving the cause. Same mentality which makes the whole concept of war crimes totally alien. Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities, is justified, so cannot be considered a crime.
Hamas (via spokespeople)
2006: “The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to
serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw.”10
2014: “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in
order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamas, call
on our people to adopt this practice.”11
2014: “Hamas despise those defeatist Palestinians that criticize the high number of civilian
casualties. The resistance praises our people…we lead our people to death…I mean, to war.”12
Ismail Haniyeh, former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority (2006-
2014), Head of Hamas Political Bureau in Gaza (since 2017)
2006: Citizens were encouraged to gather at Muhammad Baroud’s house (a prominent PRC
combatant) in Jabaliya refugee camp, after the IDF issued a warning. Following the event,
Haniyeh stated: “I believe that what has happened tonight will be a role model… an example
to our Palestinian people and a clear message, that the [Zionist] aggression will not break our
will.”13
2008: “Israel threatens to bombard houses [in which freedom fighters live], but hundreds
and thousands of Palestinians climb to those houses rooftops in the middle of the night to
defend those houses.”14
Fathi Hamad, Hamas MP
2008: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry […]. This is why they have
formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen.”
15
Khaled Mashal, Head of the Hamas Political Bureau (1996-2017)
“If you will foolishly decide to enter Gaza, we will fight you. You will face not only thousands
of our combatants, but also a million and a half of our population, driven by the desire to
become martyrs.”16
Ministry of Interior in the Gaza Strip (via spokespeople)
2009: “Men in uniform have been declared targets for air strikes. As a result, while outside
in the terrain, uniforms are to be discarded and civilian clothes are to be worn.”17
2014: "“We call those who evacuated their houses to return immediately and stay there…
Israel’s warnings are nothing but psychological warfare… by leaving your houses you assist
the enemy to fulfil its plans, that is, annihilating your belongings and houses.”18
Quite possible.Tilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:59 amCalculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:44 am No 4D chess required, just a mentality where anybody who dies is a "martyr" and thereby serving the cause. Same mentality which makes the whole concept of war crimes totally alien. Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities, is justified, so cannot be considered a crime.
Hamas (via spokespeople)
2006: “The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to
serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw.”10
2014: “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in
order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamas, call
on our people to adopt this practice.”11
2014: “Hamas despise those defeatist Palestinians that criticize the high number of civilian
casualties. The resistance praises our people…we lead our people to death…I mean, to war.”12
Ismail Haniyeh, former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority (2006-
2014), Head of Hamas Political Bureau in Gaza (since 2017)
2006: Citizens were encouraged to gather at Muhammad Baroud’s house (a prominent PRC
combatant) in Jabaliya refugee camp, after the IDF issued a warning. Following the event,
Haniyeh stated: “I believe that what has happened tonight will be a role model… an example
to our Palestinian people and a clear message, that the [Zionist] aggression will not break our
will.”13
2008: “Israel threatens to bombard houses [in which freedom fighters live], but hundreds
and thousands of Palestinians climb to those houses rooftops in the middle of the night to
defend those houses.”14
Fathi Hamad, Hamas MP
2008: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry […]. This is why they have
formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen.”
15
Khaled Mashal, Head of the Hamas Political Bureau (1996-2017)
“If you will foolishly decide to enter Gaza, we will fight you. You will face not only thousands
of our combatants, but also a million and a half of our population, driven by the desire to
become martyrs.”16
Ministry of Interior in the Gaza Strip (via spokespeople)
2009: “Men in uniform have been declared targets for air strikes. As a result, while outside
in the terrain, uniforms are to be discarded and civilian clothes are to be worn.”17
2014: "“We call those who evacuated their houses to return immediately and stay there…
Israel’s warnings are nothing but psychological warfare… by leaving your houses you assist
the enemy to fulfil its plans, that is, annihilating your belongings and houses.”18
You're really invested in refusing to draw any distinction whatsoever between Israelis and Jews, aren't you?
no, that would be Hamas, who call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their charterTilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:59 amCalculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:44 am No 4D chess required, just a mentality where anybody who dies is a "martyr" and thereby serving the cause. Same mentality which makes the whole concept of war crimes totally alien. Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities, is justified, so cannot be considered a crime.
Hamas (via spokespeople)
2006: “The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to
serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw.”10
2014: “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in
order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamas, call
on our people to adopt this practice.”11
2014: “Hamas despise those defeatist Palestinians that criticize the high number of civilian
casualties. The resistance praises our people…we lead our people to death…I mean, to war.”12
Ismail Haniyeh, former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority (2006-
2014), Head of Hamas Political Bureau in Gaza (since 2017)
2006: Citizens were encouraged to gather at Muhammad Baroud’s house (a prominent PRC
combatant) in Jabaliya refugee camp, after the IDF issued a warning. Following the event,
Haniyeh stated: “I believe that what has happened tonight will be a role model… an example
to our Palestinian people and a clear message, that the [Zionist] aggression will not break our
will.”13
2008: “Israel threatens to bombard houses [in which freedom fighters live], but hundreds
and thousands of Palestinians climb to those houses rooftops in the middle of the night to
defend those houses.”14
Fathi Hamad, Hamas MP
2008: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry […]. This is why they have
formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen.”
15
Khaled Mashal, Head of the Hamas Political Bureau (1996-2017)
“If you will foolishly decide to enter Gaza, we will fight you. You will face not only thousands
of our combatants, but also a million and a half of our population, driven by the desire to
become martyrs.”16
Ministry of Interior in the Gaza Strip (via spokespeople)
2009: “Men in uniform have been declared targets for air strikes. As a result, while outside
in the terrain, uniforms are to be discarded and civilian clothes are to be worn.”17
2014: "“We call those who evacuated their houses to return immediately and stay there…
Israel’s warnings are nothing but psychological warfare… by leaving your houses you assist
the enemy to fulfil its plans, that is, annihilating your belongings and houses.”18
You're really invested in refusing to draw any distinction whatsoever between Israelis and Jews, aren't you?
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
And yet the wall of text you quoted in support of this:Calculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:28 amno, that would be Hamas, who call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their charterTilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:59 amCalculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:44 am No 4D chess required, just a mentality where anybody who dies is a "martyr" and thereby serving the cause. Same mentality which makes the whole concept of war crimes totally alien. Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities, is justified, so cannot be considered a crime.
Hamas (via spokespeople)
2006: “The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to
serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw.”10
2014: “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in
order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamas, call
on our people to adopt this practice.”11
2014: “Hamas despise those defeatist Palestinians that criticize the high number of civilian
casualties. The resistance praises our people…we lead our people to death…I mean, to war.”12
Ismail Haniyeh, former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority (2006-
2014), Head of Hamas Political Bureau in Gaza (since 2017)
2006: Citizens were encouraged to gather at Muhammad Baroud’s house (a prominent PRC
combatant) in Jabaliya refugee camp, after the IDF issued a warning. Following the event,
Haniyeh stated: “I believe that what has happened tonight will be a role model… an example
to our Palestinian people and a clear message, that the [Zionist] aggression will not break our
will.”13
2008: “Israel threatens to bombard houses [in which freedom fighters live], but hundreds
and thousands of Palestinians climb to those houses rooftops in the middle of the night to
defend those houses.”14
Fathi Hamad, Hamas MP
2008: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry […]. This is why they have
formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen.”
15
Khaled Mashal, Head of the Hamas Political Bureau (1996-2017)
“If you will foolishly decide to enter Gaza, we will fight you. You will face not only thousands
of our combatants, but also a million and a half of our population, driven by the desire to
become martyrs.”16
Ministry of Interior in the Gaza Strip (via spokespeople)
2009: “Men in uniform have been declared targets for air strikes. As a result, while outside
in the terrain, uniforms are to be discarded and civilian clothes are to be worn.”17
2014: "“We call those who evacuated their houses to return immediately and stay there…
Israel’s warnings are nothing but psychological warfare… by leaving your houses you assist
the enemy to fulfil its plans, that is, annihilating your belongings and houses.”18
You're really invested in refusing to draw any distinction whatsoever between Israelis and Jews, aren't you?
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities...
Fucking hell, defending Hamas by claiming they are not anti Semitic, well done youTilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:00 amAnd yet the wall of text you quoted in support of this:Calculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:28 amno, that would be Hamas, who call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their charterTilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:59 am
You're really invested in refusing to draw any distinction whatsoever between Israelis and Jews, aren't you?
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities...
Contained no mention of Jews at all.
It’s a pathological hatred of anything to do with Israel that makes them think that there is a moral equivalence between the actions of Hamas and Israel, or that Israel’s is even worseYmx wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:15 am Christ, just when you thought we had reached the bottom of the pro Hamas mong barrel.
Is that a terrorist who is revealing information during an interrogation by the IDF?Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:15 am Christ, just when you thought we had reached the bottom of the pro Hamas mong barrel.
Where is your mind with this latest Al-Shifa raid?
I have no idea, however I treat propaganda from both sides with a healthy amount today scepticism.Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:32 pmWhere is your mind with this latest Al-Shifa raid?
Are you not believing there was a Hamas re grouping there?
You are not just equating Hamas with the IDF, but are equating ISIS with the IDF??C69 wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:06 pmI have no idea, however I treat propaganda from both sides with a healthy amount today scepticism.
I suspect you would not take a n IDF hostage's words at face value if they were paraded across the media and had an ISIS flag behind them.
noCalculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:18 amFucking hell, defending Hamas by claiming they are not anti Semitic, well done youTilly Orifice wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:00 amAnd yet the wall of text you quoted in support of this:Calculon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:28 am
no, that would be Hamas, who call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their charter
Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities...
Contained no mention of Jews at all.
Check out one of the associated videos that pops up when that finished.
I have already seen some interviews with Israelis talking about how lovely it would be to live in Gaza overlooking the Mediterranean.
No not at all, comparing propaganda lapped up by morons on both sides who refuse to have any critical thinking.Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:29 pmYou are not just equating Hamas with the IDF, but are equating ISIS with the IDF??C69 wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:06 pmI have no idea, however I treat propaganda from both sides with a healthy amount today scepticism.Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:32 pm
Where is your mind with this latest Al-Shifa raid?
Are you not believing there was a Hamas re grouping there?
I suspect you would not take a n IDF hostage's words at face value if they were paraded across the media and had an ISIS flag behind them.
Jesus .
Pretty sure the last response is fake.
Not an equivalence any sane individual would make tbh.Ymx wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:14 pm And it’s stepped up yet another notch. Hamas now the good guys to the Pali Protestors
Low grade trolling on human misery of this scale isn't exactly a sign of reasonable mental health.
He looks a bit mad in that video.Ymx wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:00 pm Looks like Uncle F is out and about in London.
Would be trolling.
Turning point UK your sort of reactionary craZy vibe ?
This is a pretty crude fake designed to portray Jewish Israeli people in a bad light. Can't say I'm surprised you're spreading this propaganda.