Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:08 pm
Have to take that with some salt, but there have been claims that incidents like the explosion in the gas pipeline recently near St Petersburg are part of a sabotage campaign to discredit the FSB by the Prigozhin / Kadyrov faction trying to show the FSB can't guarantee safety of the nation's infrastructure hoping to be given - or be able to assume - greater powers within Russia .
What difference does that make? They are doing great outside if Soviet control, having been invested in and not exploited too much...ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:44 amHow many of those ex Soviet Bloc countries have you actually visited?, i can assure you i have visited many, and they are far from the utopia you seem to think they are, Infrastructure, facilities are still miles behind their western counterparts.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 am I often wonder how better off Wales would have been under Russian/ Soviet control over the last say 100 years.
All those former Soviet eastern block countries seem to be doing great inside the E.U, having been invested in etc, yet British Unionists and English supremacists insist Wales (having been run into the ground from Westminster, forever) will (according to them) not be able to make it.
Not even the EU could help us (like it could those former Soviet Eastern Block nations).
So maybe being under Russian Control is awesome? Unlike westminster, you have a future outside. They invest in you, build you up.
Don't extract every last resource, human natural and mineral and send you all their oddballs and pensioners so you can never be free of them.
You are definately fucked forever in the U.K. Union, and have to stay in it forever....and that is just according to its supporters, British Unionists and English supremacist types.
Seventy missiles fired, 51 intercepted - Ukraine Air Force
As we've been reporting, Russia has launched multiple missile strikes across Ukraine today, hitting both residential and critical infrastructure sites and causing mass power outages across the country.
According to the Ukrainian Air Force, air defences managed to intercept 51 of the 70 cruise missiles fired by Russia today. Some of the explosions have been reported in the south and south-east of the country.
Just coincidence?Two Ukrainian nuclear power plants disconnected from grid
The Interfax-Ukraine news agency has reported that Ukraine's Khmelnytskyy and South Ukrainian nuclear power plants have been disconnected from the national electricity grid following the Russian air attack.
MP Oleksiy Honcharenko said that the power units of the South Ukrainian NPP - Ukraine's second-largest, in the south-west - had an "emergency shutdown".
The mayor of the north-western town of Netishyn, near the Khmelnytskyy power plant, was quoted as saying that the units "have been halted" and there was no electricity, water or heating in the town.
The last major Russian missile attack, which occurred last week, also caused the Khmelnytskyy NPP and one power unit of the western Rivne NPP to be disconnected from the energy grid.
EU parliament website hit by cyber attack
We're hearing that the European Parliament's website was disrupted by a cyber attack shortly after it passed a resolution recognising Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism earlier today.
The man in charge of communications for the parliament, Jaume Duch, described it as a distributed denial of service attack (DDOS), which is an attempt to take a website offline by overwhelming it with internet traffic.
I doubt if Kadyrov himself has that ambition, better to be a strong right arm to a true Russian like Prigozhin, who while a Putin ally can probably see the writing on the wall and is looking to the future. Even Prigozhin might prefer someone as a dependent puppet leader who could also be set up for a fall if things get even uglier. Can't imagine Russian accepting a (token) muslim as leader.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:24 pm Is Kadyrov a credible successor to Putin?
Surely his support base outside Chechnya is very limited?
The moment Putin gets to a point where he might lose in Russia, Ukraine is less important. As Timothy Snyder stated, "For all of the actors concerned, it might be bad to lose in Ukraine, but it is worse to lose in Russia."tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:22 pmI doubt if Kadyrov himself has that ambition, better to be a strong right arm to a true Russian like Prigozhin, who while a Putin ally can probably see the writing on the wall and is looking to the future. Even Prigozhin might prefer someone as a dependent puppet leader who could also be set up for a fall if things get even uglier. Can't imagine Russian accepting a (token) muslim as leader.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:24 pm Is Kadyrov a credible successor to Putin?
Surely his support base outside Chechnya is very limited?
Just guessing from some things I've read though.
Seems familiar but well worth a reread.petej wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:54 pmThe moment Putin gets to a point where he might lose in Russia, Ukraine is less important. As Timothy Snyder stated, "For all of the actors concerned, it might be bad to lose in Ukraine, but it is worse to lose in Russia."tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:22 pmI doubt if Kadyrov himself has that ambition, better to be a strong right arm to a true Russian like Prigozhin, who while a Putin ally can probably see the writing on the wall and is looking to the future. Even Prigozhin might prefer someone as a dependent puppet leader who could also be set up for a fall if things get even uglier. Can't imagine Russian accepting a (token) muslim as leader.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:24 pm Is Kadyrov a credible successor to Putin?
Surely his support base outside Chechnya is very limited?
Just guessing from some things I've read though.
I suspect many have already read this but if you haven't definitely worth reading. https://snyder.substack.com/p/how-does- ... um=reader2
Ukraine war: Russia demands annexations recognised before talks
Russia says the West's refusal to recognise "new territories" seized from Ukraine makes peace talks harder, after President Joe Biden indicated he would be ready to meet Vladimir Putin. The Kremlin said it was open to negotiations, but not on the West's demand to pull out of Ukraine.
Russia illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions at the end of September, without controlling any of them. Nine months into its invasion, it has lost more than half the land it seized.
President Biden told reporters on Thursday night that he was ready to meet the Russian leader "if in fact there is an interest in him deciding that he's looking for a way to end the war".
Standing beside him in the White House, France's Emmanuel Macron made clear the two men had agreed they would never urge the Ukrainians to make a compromise "that will not be acceptable for them".
The apparent flurry of diplomatic activity followed months with little sign of enthusiasm for talks. Russia's military has been forced into a retreat in southern Ukraine while launching widespread attacks on civilian infrastructure.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63832151
The fact that they're even replying, is sign enough that they know they're buggered.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:09 pm "Please let us keep the annexed territories so we can re-arm and have another go later"
Did someone push Putler down the stairs? I guess he needs to stay in power long enough to take the blame.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:45 pmThe fact that they're even replying, is sign enough that they know they're buggered.Uncle fester wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:09 pm "Please let us keep the annexed territories so we can re-arm and have another go later"
Dividing Ukrainians into four categories for killing, intimidating, or inducing to collaborate, wargames to hunt down and kill Ukrainian activists, and filtration camps to deport unruly Ukrainians into Russia, all to destroy Ukrainian sovereignty and identity and steal Ukraine’s military enterprises and nuclear power plants. A recent report by the RUSI Institute tells why Russia decided it could pull it off (spoiler: they tested the west’s reaction) and why it ultimately failed.
You're never going to get realistic war gaming when you imprison and kill the red team.tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:32 am Nothing especially new in this, but it does summarise what we have learned over the last many months
Russia had a secret plan to wipe Ukraine off the face of the Earth. This report tells why it failed
Dividing Ukrainians into four categories for killing, intimidating, or inducing to collaborate, wargames to hunt down and kill Ukrainian activists, and filtration camps to deport unruly Ukrainians into Russia, all to destroy Ukrainian sovereignty and identity and steal Ukraine’s military enterprises and nuclear power plants. A recent report by the RUSI Institute tells why Russia decided it could pull it off (spoiler: they tested the west’s reaction) and why it ultimately failed.
The Russians have managed to finally corner lukashenko?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:15 am A week after their foreign minister dies, not suspicious at all.
They'll get mangled.petej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:57 pmThe Russians have managed to finally corner lukashenko?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:15 am A week after their foreign minister dies, not suspicious at all.
“A completely defenceless airbase” - wow, don’t tell everybody.
I read somewhere that a Colonel was killed in the incident. Made me wonder if the conscripts killed their CO and burned down the gaff to hide the evidence.