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Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:03 am

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:38 am

This is a pretty crude fake designed to portray Jewish Israeli people in a bad light. Can't say I'm surprised you're spreading this propaganda.

You're really invested in refusing to draw any distinction whatsoever between Israelis and Jews, aren't you?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:37 am Swastika depends upon context, in anti-Israel (Joo) march.



Just when you thought the met were rock bottom.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:37 am Swastika depends upon context, in anti-Israel (Joo) march.

Just when you thought the met were rock bottom.

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:18 am

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:00 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:28 am

no, that would be Hamas, who call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their charter

And yet the wall of text you quoted in support of this:

Any action against Jews, no matter how horrific to western sensibilities...

Contained no mention of Jews at all.

Fucking hell, defending Hamas by claiming they are not anti Semitic, well done you

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:03 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:18 am

Tilly Orifice wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:00 am

And yet the wall of text you quoted in support of this:



Contained no mention of Jews at all.

Fucking hell, defending Hamas by claiming they are not anti Semitic, well done you

The quote about talking rocks and gharkad trees is looney tunes eschatology. Dubbing it antisemitic is just plain ahistorical and anachronistic.

There is, IMO, real antisemitism in Hamas's 1988 Covenant, but that's not it.

This, and more along the same lines in article 22, is.

With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:53 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:37 am Swastika depends upon context, in anti-Israel (Joo) march.

Just when you thought the met were rock bottom.

Also, if the copper filmed hadn't seen the swastika, 'context' could include the type. It's not just nazis, neo-nazis and wind-up merchants who might display swastikas; a fact recognised in some laws outlawing nazi-styleee swastikas.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:08 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:53 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:37 am Swastika depends upon context, in anti-Israel (Joo) march.

Just when you thought the met were rock bottom.

Also, if the copper filmed hadn't seen the swastika, 'context' could include the type. It's not just nazis, neo-nazis and wind-up merchants who might display swastikas; a fact recognised in some laws outlawing nazi-styleee swastikas.

For them to be claiming they handled it is a joke. Their responses have become running jokes over this.

She was first informed by another set of officers to go see this guy. She then spent 10 minutes trying to ask him to take action. He even told her to go away and read up on some acts. When she didn’t and indicated, even then he responded with … context .

They will be getting shredded about that statement, I’m certain.

Gaza's al-Shifa hospital in ruins after two-week Israeli raid
By Yolande Knell & Sean Seddon
BBC News, in Jerusalem and London
1 April 2024, 05:03 BST
Updated 1 hour ago



Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said dozens of bodies had been found and locals said nearby areas were razed.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had killed 200 "terrorists", detained hundreds more and found weapons and intelligence "throughout the hospital".


The IDF said it raided al-Shifa because Hamas had regrouped there.

The two-week operation saw intense fighting and Israeli air strikes in nearby buildings and the surrounding area.
Wards were attacked because Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad operatives were using them as a base, the IDF said, accusing them of fighting inside medical departments, setting off explosives and burning hospital buildings.

Images published following the Israeli withdrawal showed Palestinians walking near the charred main buildings with chunks of wall missing and carrying bodies wrapped in blankets. Graphic photos showed corpses partially exposed on the churned ground.

The health ministry said dozens of bodies, some decomposed, had been found in and around the medical complex, which was now "completely out of service".
A doctor told AFP news agency more than 20 bodies had been recovered, some crushed by withdrawing vehicles.

Palestinians carry dead body at shifa
IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS
Image caption,
Palestinians say numerous bodies were found after Israeli forces withdrew


A spokesperson for Gaza's Hamas-run civil emergency service said Israeli forces had used bulldozers to dig up the grounds of the complex and exhume buried bodies.
The Hamas government media office said Israeli forces had killed 400 Palestinians in al-Shifa and the surrounding area, including a female doctor and her son, who was also a doctor. Israel has not yet commented.

The IDF said its troops killed 200 "terrorists" and detained more than 900 people, of whom more than 500 were subsequently found to be affiliated with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad - which Israel, the UK and other countries proscribe as terrorist organisations. The suspects had been transferred to the intelligence services for further interrogation, it added.

The IDF said "forces found large quantities of weapons, intelligence documents throughout the hospital, encountered terrorists in close-quarters battles and engaged in combat while avoiding harm to the medical staff and patients".

An IDF spokesman said more than 6,000 people had been in the hospital complex, mostly civilians, at the start of the raid.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Sunday night that 21 patients had died, with patients moved a number of times and held without medical care.

Dr Amira al-Safady at al-Shifa told the BBC's Gaza Lifeline radio that about 16 people who were in the intensive care unit died after being moved, because she and other doctors no longer had the equipment to treat them.

Three days later, troops told medical staff to bury them outside, she said.

The IDF has been asked for comment. It says troops set up temporary infrastructure for medical treatment at al-Shifa, with video showing troops setting up a small number of beds.

Shifa
IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS
Image caption,
The hospital - previously Gaza's biggest - is completely out of service, the Hamas-run health ministry says

Patient Barra al-Shawish told Reuters news agency that the Israeli troops had allowed in a "very small amount of food". "No treatment, no medicine, nothing, and bombing for 24 hours that didn't stop and immense destruction in the hospital," he said.

Some of the patients were being moved to al-Ahli hospital, about 3km (1.8 miles) to the south-east, a medic at al-Shifa told Reuters.

Gaza's hospitals have been a main focus of the current war, with thousands of Palestinians seeking shelter from Israeli bombardment in their grounds and Israeli forces storming the facilities because they say Hamas fighters are present there.

Israel has long accused Hamas of using civilian health infrastructure as a cover to launch its operations, which the group denies.

Two weeks ago, it took hundreds of Israeli forces just a few hours to approach and enter the Gaza Strip's largest hospital. That was in marked contrast to their first controversial raid there in November, when it took several weeks for large numbers of tanks and vehicles, backed by heavy air strikes, to close in on the site.

For supporters of the Israeli military, this has been evidence of the gains it has made during the war and its tactical success, launching a surprise attack on the enemy to strike it hard. An IDF spokesman previously referred to the operation as "one of the most successful of the war so far" because of the intelligence gleaned, as well as numbers killed and detained.
destroyed residential area near al-Shifa

IMAGE SOURCE, EPA
Image caption,
Large parts of the neighbourhood surrounding al-Shifa have been flattened

However, some commentators suggest the second al-Shifa raid highlights flaws in Israel's military strategy for the war. They argue that it shows the ease with which Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters were able to regroup after Israel pulled its forces out of northern Gaza and the urgent need to come up with a convincing post-war plan to govern the territory.

On Monday. the Gaza health ministry appealed for international help to restart medical care at Nasser hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. The biggest hospital in southern Gaza has been out of action since the Israeli military stormed it in February.

The war began when Hamas fighters stormed into southern Israel on 7 October, killing about 1,200 people and seizing 253 hostages, according to Israeli tallies. About 130 of the hostages remain in captivity, at least 34 of whom are presumed dead.

More than 32,800 Palestinians have been killed and 75,000 injured in Gaza since Israel launched its military campaign, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. It says 70% of those killed were women and children.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:00 pm The beeb never let Hamas down. Quoting the word terrorists in the IDF statement.

Gaza's al-Shifa hospital in ruins after two-week Israeli raid
By Yolande Knell & Sean Seddon
BBC News, in Jerusalem and London
1 April 2024, 05:03 BST
Updated 1 hour ago



Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said dozens of bodies had been found and locals said nearby areas were razed.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had killed 200 "terrorists", detained hundreds more and found weapons and intelligence "throughout the hospital".


The IDF said it raided al-Shifa because Hamas had regrouped there.

The two-week operation saw intense fighting and Israeli air strikes in nearby buildings and the surrounding area.
Wards were attacked because Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad operatives were using them as a base, the IDF said, accusing them of fighting inside medical departments, setting off explosives and burning hospital buildings.

Images published following the Israeli withdrawal showed Palestinians walking near the charred main buildings with chunks of wall missing and carrying bodies wrapped in blankets. Graphic photos showed corpses partially exposed on the churned ground.

The health ministry said dozens of bodies, some decomposed, had been found in and around the medical complex, which was now "completely out of service".
A doctor told AFP news agency more than 20 bodies had been recovered, some crushed by withdrawing vehicles.

Palestinians carry dead body at shifa
IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS
Image caption,
Palestinians say numerous bodies were found after Israeli forces withdrew


A spokesperson for Gaza's Hamas-run civil emergency service said Israeli forces had used bulldozers to dig up the grounds of the complex and exhume buried bodies.
The Hamas government media office said Israeli forces had killed 400 Palestinians in al-Shifa and the surrounding area, including a female doctor and her son, who was also a doctor. Israel has not yet commented.

The IDF said its troops killed 200 "terrorists" and detained more than 900 people, of whom more than 500 were subsequently found to be affiliated with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad - which Israel, the UK and other countries proscribe as terrorist organisations. The suspects had been transferred to the intelligence services for further interrogation, it added.

The IDF said "forces found large quantities of weapons, intelligence documents throughout the hospital, encountered terrorists in close-quarters battles and engaged in combat while avoiding harm to the medical staff and patients".

An IDF spokesman said more than 6,000 people had been in the hospital complex, mostly civilians, at the start of the raid.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Sunday night that 21 patients had died, with patients moved a number of times and held without medical care.

Dr Amira al-Safady at al-Shifa told the BBC's Gaza Lifeline radio that about 16 people who were in the intensive care unit died after being moved, because she and other doctors no longer had the equipment to treat them.

Three days later, troops told medical staff to bury them outside, she said.

The IDF has been asked for comment. It says troops set up temporary infrastructure for medical treatment at al-Shifa, with video showing troops setting up a small number of beds.

Shifa
IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS
Image caption,
The hospital - previously Gaza's biggest - is completely out of service, the Hamas-run health ministry says

Patient Barra al-Shawish told Reuters news agency that the Israeli troops had allowed in a "very small amount of food". "No treatment, no medicine, nothing, and bombing for 24 hours that didn't stop and immense destruction in the hospital," he said.

Some of the patients were being moved to al-Ahli hospital, about 3km (1.8 miles) to the south-east, a medic at al-Shifa told Reuters.

Gaza's hospitals have been a main focus of the current war, with thousands of Palestinians seeking shelter from Israeli bombardment in their grounds and Israeli forces storming the facilities because they say Hamas fighters are present there.

Israel has long accused Hamas of using civilian health infrastructure as a cover to launch its operations, which the group denies.

Two weeks ago, it took hundreds of Israeli forces just a few hours to approach and enter the Gaza Strip's largest hospital. That was in marked contrast to their first controversial raid there in November, when it took several weeks for large numbers of tanks and vehicles, backed by heavy air strikes, to close in on the site.

For supporters of the Israeli military, this has been evidence of the gains it has made during the war and its tactical success, launching a surprise attack on the enemy to strike it hard. An IDF spokesman previously referred to the operation as "one of the most successful of the war so far" because of the intelligence gleaned, as well as numbers killed and detained.
destroyed residential area near al-Shifa

IMAGE SOURCE, EPA
Image caption,
Large parts of the neighbourhood surrounding al-Shifa have been flattened

However, some commentators suggest the second al-Shifa raid highlights flaws in Israel's military strategy for the war. They argue that it shows the ease with which Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters were able to regroup after Israel pulled its forces out of northern Gaza and the urgent need to come up with a convincing post-war plan to govern the territory.

On Monday. the Gaza health ministry appealed for international help to restart medical care at Nasser hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. The biggest hospital in southern Gaza has been out of action since the Israeli military stormed it in February.

The war began when Hamas fighters stormed into southern Israel on 7 October, killing about 1,200 people and seizing 253 hostages, according to Israeli tallies. About 130 of the hostages remain in captivity, at least 34 of whom are presumed dead.

More than 32,800 Palestinians have been killed and 75,000 injured in Gaza since Israel launched its military campaign, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. It says 70% of those killed were women and children.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:14 pm Iranian embassy in Syria bombed. Most likely by Israel, who are clearly sick of Iran funding the gunmen around their borders.

This is going to escalate unfortunately.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:42 pm It was in regards to the words terrorists. Which they decided to quote despite not quoting the rest.

As in, this is how they classify them, not us.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:55 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:14 pm Iranian embassy in Syria bombed. Most likely by Israel, who are clearly sick of Iran funding the gunmen around their borders.

This is going to escalate unfortunately.

Well... yeah. It was always going to escalate.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:50 pm This Al Shifa hospital thing, the reporting differences are crazy.

Israel were reporting 200 killed Hamas, 500 captured, 6000 civilians evacuated, virtually no civilian deaths.

Meanwhile the Hamas propaganda is in overdrive over women being raped, children being killed, medical staff murdered …

Be interesting to see how the media reports it.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:11 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:50 pm This Al Shifa hospital thing, the reporting differences are crazy.

Israel were reporting 200 killed Hamas, 500 captured, 6000 civilians evacuated, virtually no civilian deaths.

Meanwhile the Hamas propaganda is in overdrive over women being raped, children being killed, medical staff murdered …

Be interesting to see how the media reports it.

But again you jump straight away to believing what the lying cunt Israelis are saying. Can you genuinely not see that you do exactly as you say others are doing?

For avoidance of doubt, they alre both lying cunts

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:19 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:08 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:53 am


Also, if the copper filmed hadn't seen the swastika, 'context' could include the type. It's not just nazis, neo-nazis and wind-up merchants who might display swastikas; a fact recognised in some laws outlawing nazi-styleee swastikas.

For them to be claiming they handled it is a joke. Their responses have become running jokes over this.

She was first informed by another set of officers to go see this guy. She then spent 10 minutes trying to ask him to take action. He even told her to go away and read up on some acts. When she didn’t and indicated, even then he responded with … context .

They will be getting shredded about that statement, I’m certain.

I actually agree with YMX to a degree. This government has lost the plot and law and order is failing.
We need strong governmental strategy on policing and the Tories have shown time and time again they treat terrorists and. terrorism so weakly. Lack of a strong guiding force and poor law making shows this country has lost the plot.
If you want to continue with this stance continue to vote Tory.
Criminalising rough sleeping now FFS. The cunts hae lost the plot.
What next debtors prisons

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:32 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:42 pm It was in regards to the words terrorists. Which they decided to quote despite not quoting the rest.

As in, this is how they classify them, not us.

You utterly woke soft cock.
Offended by ".
FFS we all know they are terrorists so just get over it.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:50 pm This Al Shifa hospital thing, the reporting differences are crazy.

Israel were reporting 200 killed Hamas, 500 captured, 6000 civilians evacuated, virtually no civilian deaths.

Meanwhile the Hamas propaganda is in overdrive over women being raped, children being killed, medical staff murdered …

Be interesting to see how the media reports it.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:28 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:50 pm This Al Shifa hospital thing, the reporting differences are crazy.

Israel were reporting 200 killed Hamas, 500 captured, 6000 civilians evacuated, virtually no civilian deaths.

Meanwhile the Hamas propaganda is in overdrive over women being raped, children being killed, medical staff murdered …

Be interesting to see how the media reports it.

Hamas itself called bullshit on that when Al Jazeera carried a story about it.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:43 am More international aid workers killed.
While traveling in a marked convoy.
In armoured vehicles.
Having coordinated beforehand with IDF.

Yeah, that's deliberate.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:43 am More international aid workers killed.
While traveling in a marked convoy.
In armoured vehicles.
Having coordinated beforehand with IDF.

Yeah, that's deliberate.

Why would they do it deliberately?

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:43 am More international aid workers killed.
While traveling in a marked convoy.
In armoured vehicles.
Having coordinated beforehand with IDF.

Yeah, that's deliberate.

Why would they do it deliberately?

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:43 am More international aid workers killed.
While traveling in a marked convoy.
In armoured vehicles.
Having coordinated beforehand with IDF.

Yeah, that's deliberate.

Why would they do it deliberately?

Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Why would they do it deliberately?

Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

Think this is getting into the realms of conspiracy theory to be honest

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:43 am More international aid workers killed.
While traveling in a marked convoy.
In armoured vehicles.
Having coordinated beforehand with IDF.

Yeah, that's deliberate.

Why would they do it deliberately?

Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:07 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Why would they do it deliberately?

Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

More likely it's a warzone and the IDF HQ didn't get the message down to the troops on the ground properly. Even the Israelis are wary of taking out aid-workers on purpose in my estimation.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:09 am

Why would they do it deliberately?

Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

Think this is getting into the realms of conspiracy theory to be honest

Jockaline wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:31 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 am
Because they'd prefer if no material aid reached Gaza since they want the inhabitants to piss off in toto, and asap. And because the chances of material consequences to them are very low, as long as the yanks support them in practice regardless of what yank spokesreptiles may say in public.

Think this is getting into the realms of conspiracy theory to be honest

Clear as day to me. You don't think they have been deliberately slowing and preventing aid, or suppressing independent journalism, or just don't want to believe it. They just shut down Al Jazeera, and have been preventing free journalism or voices they don't strictly control for ages. Many journalists have been killed, and they are clear in their distaste and disregard for the UN. They are a US ally not because they hold the same values, but because they will do what the USA cannot do directly without a backlash, but they are now completely out of their control.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:35 am

Jockaline wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:31 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 am

Think this is getting into the realms of conspiracy theory to be honest

Clear as day to me. You don't think they have been deliberately slowing and preventing aid, or suppressing independent journalism, or just don't want to believe it. They just shut down Al Jazeera, and have been preventing free journalism or voices they don't strictly control for ages. Many journalists have been killed, and they are clear in their distaste and disregard for the UN. They are a US ally not because they hold the same values, but because they will do what the USA cannot do directly without a backlash, but they are now completely out of their control.

They could slow down aid by not letting them in and delivering it rather than allowing them to deliver it then blowing up their van with a missile.